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November 02, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
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Tom has hired me to stay at the new testing/packing location.  If anyone feels like trying to rob the place, I suggest you bring several people.  I carry a M1911, and will probably bring my AR-15 as well.


Less you forget that US citizens are always packing heat. Cheesy
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November 02, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
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I don't think Tom has to worry about theft especially if he is smart enough to get insurance and a safe. He should be more concerned about forfeiture to a three letter agency. I spoke with someone from the FCC today asking some simple questions about whether or not Tom's products are regulated by the FCC. The answer I got was yes. I tried asking some questions here on bitcointalk but as of writing this post the thread I started is gone.

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November 02, 2012, 09:47:35 PM
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Don't believe me. Don't believe Tom. Call the FCC and ask them "Are peripheral devices that plug into the USB port of a personal computer regulated by the FCC"? Then draw your own conclusions.

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November 02, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
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That's what an alarm system and insurance are for.

This is basicly what I'm asking.

I don't think any insurance will insure $100k of hardware at this location.

I'm afraid the next scam will be... "Sorry but your asics are gone"
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November 02, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
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lol everyone needs to calm down. We have a full featured security system from time warner cable.

If someone breaks a window the police will be here within 2 mins (the station is a mile down the street)

Not to mention the fact that for the short time the ASIC's will be here someone will be here around the clock

oh and by the way the people in this town would not know a Bitcoin mining device from a furby.


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November 02, 2012, 10:11:13 PM
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lol everyone needs to calm down. We have a full featured security system

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from time warner cable.

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Lol J/K sounds like ur all set then.

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November 02, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
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Hauling all that gear out a broken window doesn't sound exactly...incognito either. Cheesy

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November 02, 2012, 10:15:52 PM
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Don't believe me. Don't believe Tom. Call the FCC and ask them "Are peripheral devices that plug into the USB port of a personal computer regulated by the FCC". Then draw your own conclusions.

The FCC is only so big, and I doubt they are really that interested in devices shipping in the low thousands, at least that is what an experienced participant in the industry said earlier. You also have Tom's response that he is working with an top firm (not some dude in a garage) and they know when and how to apply for FCC certification. Of course the FCC said that when you asked (assuming you did), they are a regulatory agency with a broad charter that covers almost everything electronic with more than a 9Mhz clock, and rarely do you see them being OK with an official statement like "Yes, but if you are below this bar we don't care about you" that contravenes their own regulations.

At this point there is not an issue except your continued persistence in apparently attacking Tom.

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November 02, 2012, 10:38:49 PM
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The modminer quad board had to be redesigned 3 times before it was ready for the end user - however that board was designed by a 19 year old college student.....

@ scrybe, flynn is correct I did try to take 'it' elsewhere. And by the way it's 9kHz - 3,000,000MHz..

You bring up a valid point that others manufactures are effected to. But in the case of Avalon it's only a regulation infraction and crime to import an unauthorized electronic device so only the buyers from Avalon are affected. The FCC has no power in China.

Here's the thing, when the FCC does catch up with Tom and they will there is the a possibility a criminal fine totalling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment. Where is that money going to come from, your pre-ordered device?

It's just like drug dealers saying, I'm too small they want the kingpins. Guess who is the kingpin now.

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November 02, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
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take it elsewhere for continued discussion

Actually he did, but that whole new thread disappeared after he got a few hostile replies.
I wonder what happened.

What happened was the staff at Bitcointalk did their jobs and removed it because it was an obvious troll thread.

He made very direct accusations at my company even though EVERY SINGLE other FPGA/ASIC manufacturer INCLUDING BFL would also be in violation of these FCC regulations. It is obvious he has an agenda against BTCFPGA.

http://www.ztex.de/ <-- imports into USA would also need to be regulated from FCC

http://www.butterflylabs.org <--- manufacturers inside the USA + I have personally ordered and received products from this company and never received ANY fcc notifications what so ever

http://www.enterpoint.co.uk/cairnsmore/cairnsmore1.html <--- imports into the USA and would also need to be regulated from FCC

http://fpgamining.com/products/x6500-rev3 <-- manufacturer and sold within the USA / also sold at cablesrus.com


So given the fact that every single one of these companies is in violation of these FCC regulations you are so worried about - why are you coming directly at me?

You know what the funniest part about all of this is??? after reading through these guidelines I am pretty sure the ModMiner Quad's modular design - and in the fact that when it is shipped to customers it comes in multiple parts that must be assembled by the consumer that it would fit into some sort of subsystem or kit and therefore be the only device in question that might actually be un-regulated - that is if this whole bullshit circus is for real.

So the question is Sockpuppet MeSarah, why are you so concerned about BTCFPGA and our FCC regulations?

Why letting everyone else off the hook? I think its pretty damn obvious to figure out.

For the record: I will contact the FCC and find out what changes we need to make if any to keep within regulation.

Sockpuppet MeSarah: go get a life.



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November 02, 2012, 10:46:24 PM
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@MeSarah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor_development_board
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-board_computer

It's not exactly uncommon for suppliers to sell unhoused boards to developers and users to integrate into their own systems. Such devices don't fall within the scope of FCC section 15.
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November 02, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
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For the record: I will contact the FCC and find out what changes we need to make if any to keep within regulation.

Design-wise, if you think you may have an issue with unintentional radiation, you might consider using a spread-spectrum clock source.

Someone posted this in the other thread.  Looks like a lot of good info on the subject: http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/398

If you wanna sniff around yourself for unintentional radiation, there's a handy gadget ppl are calling RTLSDR that can function as a cheap spectrum analyzer for radio sources from 64MHz to 2.2GHz or so: http://www.rtlsdr.org/

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November 02, 2012, 11:05:10 PM
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For the record: I will contact the FCC and find out what changes we need to make if any to keep within regulation.

Design-wise, if you think you may have an issue with unintentional radiation, you might consider using a spread-spectrum clock source.

If you wanna sniff around yourself for unintentional radiation, there's a handy gadget ppl are calling RTLSDR that can function as a cheap spectrum analyzer for radio sources from 64MHz to 2.2GHz or so: http://www.rtlsdr.org/

A voice of reason in the room. You might try a Bitscope. It's what I use at home.

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November 02, 2012, 11:06:38 PM
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Bogart: thank you for the recommendations and I fully plan to contact the FCC regarding compliance.

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November 02, 2012, 11:10:54 PM
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For the record: I will contact the FCC and find out what changes we need to make if any to keep within regulation.

You may want to do it for EU too. the CE thingy is somewhat easy to get: you just make a statement that the device follow the CE specs and you sign it (copy one from another manufacturer, they are all the same), and you join one copy of this auto-signed certificate to each sold device in EU.

Ok now, if the device exceeds the CE specs, you may end in trouble, but it's just a matter of measuring the EM fields emitted by the said device, and add a little coil here and there, easy does it.

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November 02, 2012, 11:15:50 PM
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I spoke with someone from the FCC today asking some simple questions about whether or not Tom's products are regulated by the FCC.

A Cleaner/Maintenance man?

Please just F**** off with your trolling.

ALL the miner products are potentially covered by FFC if for sale in the states, & WEEE/ RoSH/CE for sale in Europe, plus other requirements depending on the internal state. Germany/Norway is about the toughest.

Also you generally don't "speak to someone from the FCC", you speak to a qualifying TEST HOUSE.
The TEST HOUSE advises you on the requirements depending on the market you are selling into.

Examples of Test houses: Intertek, SGS,HKSTC

I used to run product (Electronics/Alarms/Appliances/Camera Equipment) approvals & factory evaluations/ethical auditing for a major supplier,  shipping to companies such as IKEA, HomeBASE, ARGOS.

IF you are going to BULL SHIT please do some research on  the "product approval process".

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November 02, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
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Uhm.. does this mean I'll need to wear a lead-lined cup when I'm around my ASICs?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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November 02, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
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Read this document linked below. It's written in simpler language, for those that have a problem with reading comprehension, than the regulations them self. In the document is the number for Office of Engineering and Technology Laboratory Division. They can answer your questions.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/oet-bulletins-line#62

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November 02, 2012, 11:26:07 PM
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MeSarah: your failure to answer my questions proves your a troll.

How can anyone get anything done with constant bullshit badgering by trolls such as this?

I'm done for the night - to my customers take care and have a wonderful weekend. I will be reachable by phone until 10:00PM

if you have unanswered emails I will get to them over the weekend. I apologize I let this troll occupy so much of my time, I promise I wont fall into that trap again.

If you want to help keep this thread on track - please use the report to moderator button next to the trolling persons post. The Bitcoin staff have encouraged us to do this, and I personally thank you and them for participating in keeping things on track.

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November 02, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
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Ok same standards are fine.

Why are you not making these FCC accusations at anyone else ? when clearly if I am in violation of them so are they?

Because someone appears to be shit scared you are maybe ahead of the "curve" as regards to shipping product  that is utilizing a semiconductor process that potentially undercuts the other main competitors.
Sure maybe your design appears to not be as polished, but do I really need a platinum plated shovel to dig for gold?

It is about mining not aesthetics.

Work it out  a minimum of several thousand 'Pre-paid" boards at >$1200US each.
That's several million in up-front cash plus future orders. What would a competitor NOT do to protect that sort of money?


If you did ship first, I guess you would be suddenly swamped with orders, which would  cause a sudden cancellation & immediate cash flow problems for competitors, possibly followed by imminent implosion.

Personally I would not even validate him with a reply.

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