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[JoelKatz]

This was about the GLBSE scam asset? Or was Goat delisted because of Pirate involvement?

You make it sound like the delisting was part of a personal dispute. What's the official story?

Goat was delisted because of events having to do with the GLBSE scam asset and his reaction to Nefario's breach of an offer he relied on. (The full issue is complicated. Please don't read that as placing the blame on either of them.) I don't believe the PPTs, or any of Goat's listings, were part of the issue.

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[Raoul Duke]

I agree that it could have been handled better -- more securely. But that post simply suggests that there could be problems. Anyway, it seems pretty simple to me, though it is a big hassle for Goat and his shareholders.

Yes there could be problems and this could end up in a disaster.

Yep... could end up in disaster, certainly...

However, since GLBSE doesn't manage your asset-holder lists for you anymore, there is no longer someone else to blame and use as a scapegoat, so any disaster from this point forward will be your own fault, and yours alone.

-- Smoov

I do not think you read the post. There is no way to assure the shareholders, Nefario, or myself will be honest. When things go wrong who will be blame? Might be anyone of us not being honest, or maybe all of us.

This system is fail. Please reread it. And if you really do not understand it or have a problem with it, please post in that thread because I would like the author to respond to you directly.

Thank you.

Stop hiding behind others, pussy.
Take responsibility for your own actions once and for all.

[Raoul Duke]

Goat, as GLBSE has even rendered the contract inaccessible, can you please repost it here?

Test

^^^ There's your contract.

Please explain (without insults if you can accomplish that) what you think should be done. Just saying do something does not mean there is something good to do. Thank you.

You could start by giving Nefario a BTC address where he would send the BTC you say is being kept away from you.
After you do that I'll give you more details. But you'll have to pay. This little glimpse was provided cost free, more details will need to be paid up front as you clearly can't be trusted.

[SysRun]

Psy, you're not helping.

[Raoul Duke]

Psy, you're not helping.

But Goat is...

[markm]

Maybe Nefario should have used user-provided "codes" to which the users have the private keys, such as, for example, bitcoin addresses or PGP pubkeys provided by the users for this kind of purpose? Then they could prove they are the holder of the privkeys to that code?

-MarkM-

[Bitcoin Oz]

Maybe Nefario should have used user-provided "codes" to which the users have the private keys, such as, for example, bitcoin addresses or PGP pubkeys provided by the users for this kind of purpose? Then they could prove they are the holder of the privkeys to that code?

-MarkM-

You could do this easily through bitcon signing.

[markm]

Maybe Nefario should have used user-provided "codes" to which the users have the private keys, such as, for example, bitcoin addresses or PGP pubkeys provided by the users for this kind of purpose? Then they could prove they are the holder of the privkeys to that code?

-MarkM-

You could do this easily through bitcon signing.

Yes but presumably not violating customer privacy by revealing a bitcoin address they use for some purpose other than as one to give to new host of assets in the event assets have to move to another venue. Especially not revealing an address they actually used for coins.

Similar with PGP: a PGP key given for this purpose, not some other key that might tie them to some other activities they might not wish owners of assets to learn they are connected with.

-MarkM-

[JoelKatz]

Maybe Nefario should have used user-provided "codes" to which the users have the private keys, such as, for example, bitcoin addresses or PGP pubkeys provided by the users for this kind of purpose? Then they could prove they are the holder of the privkeys to that code?

That's half the solution. That's still insufficient because there can still be conflicting claims by two people each of which have the same private key. Each can swear that GLBSE gave that code to them and they gave it to nobody. You also need a two-phase claim scheme that requires everyone to submit a claim before any claims are honored. (With GLBSE taking the responsibility to resolve any disputes, presumably by issuing another claim code through the GLBSE account.)

[markm]

I guess bitcoin addresses are particularly suitable for this then, since GLBSE can issue new codes (addresses) to people without knowing the private keys to those codes.

-MarkM-

[Elraffa]

I am not going to just keep the BTC and walk away.

Hm. With the thread title changed to suit a, let's say, minimalist aethetic and the OP gone, I have a request: as I own a foolishly big amount of TYGRR.BOND-A shares I'd feel much better if you'd publish the dividends somewhere, preferably a website (http://tygrr.com maybe?). Gigamining's doing this as well, and it wouldn't need a lot of effort: http://gigamining.com/

You could also publish the bitcoin address where you send the dividends to, so we can be sure you've got the funds to pay.

At the moment you're in a better position than other issuers, as you've got some information at least as to who owns what. I still have my GLBSE claim code, so if no information ever comes from GLBSE I'd like to have your confirmation that you're, well, not going to "just keep the BTC and walk away."

Otherwise these changes to the thread look a bit fishy.

Thank you.

[Elraffa]

Well I'm not going anywhere but I think you also understand the mess GLBSE has made and at this point I am not able to clean it up. Hopefully GLBSE will get their shit together soon.

I DO put the blame squarely on GLBSE, but when you change the thread title to "A" (which is a bit misleading and makes it really hard to find) and delete the "contract" in the OP you're not just waiting for additional info but shirking responsibility. The measures I proposed would go a long way to restore confidence, at least for me. Why don't you just publish those numbers? At least answer this: do you calculate dividends or do you think it not worth the effort as you don't intend or expect to ever pay out?

[SysRun]

Eh?

[Elraffa]

Eh?

Nicely put. 

Am I not making myself clear? I'm a bit irritated because of the thread renaming and the edited original post. Don't see a reason for both. :-)

[smoothie]

I love the OP of this thread. Very informative and great details.

Goat, fucking awesome job! "PERPETUAL"...lol....

[Elraffa]

I was advised to do what I did (it was unofficial anyways). At this time there is not a real solution to our problem. I have said the code system will not work and is not acceptable so we have no option but to either wait of sue the GLBSE owners.

Oh, crap. Some more of the "I was advised" and "I can't explain" rhetoric that seems to have gotten popular lately.

For now I'm in favour of waiting, by the way. If the other issuers get handed an acceptable solution and you don't, well, then it's time to sue.

[smoothie]

Eh?

Nicely put. 

Am I not making myself clear? I'm a bit irritated because of the thread renaming and the edited original post. Don't see a reason for both. :-)

I was advised to do what I did (it was unofficial anyways). At this time there is not a real solution to our problem. I have said the code system will not work and is not acceptable so we have no option but to either wait of sue the GLBSE owners.

Hmm Goat, I wonder what you did to get banned? 

[hargax]

What happened here? Does anyone have an update?

[kimmeriets]

no one. forget.

[hargax]

Goat doesn't appear to be banned anymore