Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

I agree, talk is cheap

20/60 paid

40 more to go

This status appears to be unchanged looking at blockchain.info:

https://blockchain.info/address/1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

I suggest contacting Charlie privately and asking if he is going to send 10 BTC this week.  If he doesn't send it or indicates he isn't going to, then you start getting public about it.

Don't start everything out at red alert.  It makes you look like the kind of person most of us are going to want to have no dealings with.

Thanks Walter.

I addressed the payment this morning, about 7 hours ago.

Another 10 BTC sent:

https://blockchain.info/tx/106290a04db44a2a1f6ff455570aae32058ce8adf1d9291f031c7a0768189408

https://blockchain.info/address/1EYn7SvBGm6PGgzq6XCQ74MB5RXvRT7USd

I told you I would send 10 BTC every week, so far this week I sent 20.

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20/50 repaid.

10 - https://blockchain.info/tx/1d55cb395f0383b7b54171c30dbfdb06c267184c3723e9fd21d4ba9796852133
10-  https://blockchain.info/tx/106290a04db44a2a1f6ff455570aae32058ce8adf1d9291f031c7a0768189408

I told you I would send you a payment each week, last week I sent 2 payments to show you Im not a scammer. Next week you will get another payment.

These is no point in constantly responding this thread, all we are doing is going back and forth and fighting for no reason. The thread is public and everyone can see it. It is not going anywhere.

If you want to fight "I am right, you are wrong" then OK we can do it. However I am not wasting anymore time fighting with you. I am trying to be mature.

-Charlie

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[ACCTseller]

look,
you keep polishing your story, but only when I squeeze a bit more,
I stand same ground from the beginning

There shouldn't be any need for him to polish more or for you to squeeze more.  You are being belligerent in a way almost everybody reading you is going to think is unnecessary and counterproductive.  I know I certainly wouldn't make any agreements with you after seeing all of this.  They way you are handling this is something I would want to avoid dealing with at all costs, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same as me.

I agree. After seeing how he is handling this situation I would not deal with him period, even if he were to send goods/money first. He is taking advantage of someone who values his reputation a lot and who could potentially go to jail (for longer) if he is labeled as a thief/dishonest.

You also need to remember that you probably would not be able to sell the coins period without him as there is really not another realistic way of doing so because you would need to send first (and risk the buyer not pay, or make the buyer risk that you not send the coins after paying. I don't think any escrow would accept this trade because it would be too difficult for them to resolve any disputes, putting their reputation at ridk.

[bracek]

oh, come on , Walter !!
you are such a boot licker

You are calling me out, while he did not do his part of the deal,
this is unreal

whats in it for you ?

[Walter Rothbard]

oh, come on , Walter !!
you are such a boot licker

You are calling me out, while he did not do his part of the deal,
this is unreal

whats in it for you ?

Actually, I get a lot out of teaching people how to relate better to each other and eliminate hostility and anger in their lives.  It's immensely rewarding at an emotional level.

[Walter Rothbard]

And if I say anything that helps people learn to relate to each other better, it makes for a better Bitcoin community to live in.

[Walter Rothbard]

You are calling me out, while he did not do his part of the deal,

You might remember a famous movie from many years ago that contained the line "Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view."

There is a lot to learn in life from learning to understand the point of view of other people besides yourself, and learning to speak about subjects from different points of view, without leaping to brand a perspective "right" or "wrong," as you are doing here.  And if you want to do business you certainly have to be able to understand the point of view of your customers.

Being unable to understand a point of view that differs from your own, and punishing people with angry outbursts and namecalling makes you a very dangerous person to deal with, frankly.  I personally consider angry outbursts to be a form of temporary insanity.  When you are angry and there is adrenaline in your blood stream you are not thinking rationally, and the things you are thinking of doing or saying will usually make your problem worse!  If you learn to relax when you are frustrated and forbid yourself from choosing to have an angry outburst, over time you actually redirect the way the neural pathways in your brain are connected.  Instead of reinforcing the habit of anger and irrationality, your brain directs its efforts and its wiring toward being better at problem solving.  Even when somebody has wronged you this is absolutely invaluable, because in the end you really can't force someone to make things right with you by calling them names.  All you will do is make them want to get away from you as quickly as possible (and they may choose to punish you with anger, as well), and you make yourself look bad to everybody else.  There are better ways to solve your problems, and you can tell the facts of your situation to the world, without losing it and getting irrational.

[Walter Rothbard]

Thanks Walter.

I addressed the payment this morning, about 7 hours ago.

Since this is going to get dragged into public whether anyone likes it or not, we might as well ask for clarification for the record - by "addressed the payment," do you mean you mailed the rest of it, as fiat currency?  Or am I confused?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Thanks Walter.

I addressed the payment this morning, about 7 hours ago.

Since this is going to get dragged into public whether anyone likes it or not, we might as well ask for clarification for the record - by "addressed the payment," do you mean you mailed the rest of it, as fiat currency?  Or am I confused?

Hey Walter,

What I meant by 'addressed' was that I addressed the issue. I told Bracek that every week he would receive a payment. I ended up sending 2 payments the first week a few days apart to show my commitment. Next payment is due this coming week.

[Walter Rothbard]

Thanks Walter.

I addressed the payment this morning, about 7 hours ago.

Since this is going to get dragged into public whether anyone likes it or not, we might as well ask for clarification for the record - by "addressed the payment," do you mean you mailed the rest of it, as fiat currency?  Or am I confused?

Hey Walter,

What I meant by 'addressed' was that I addressed the issue. I told Bracek that every week he would receive a payment. I ended up sending 2 payments the first week a few days apart to show my commitment. Next payment is due this coming week.

Ah, okay.  I was looking at the address thinking that meant you had sent more.

I have no idea why I continue to follow this thread with morbid curiosity, but it's pretty apparent this is going to continue to get handled in the public eye.  I figured I might as well ask my question before somebody else with a similar misunderstanding started leveling accusations and accusatory language or something.

[ashe]

at least op is getting bitcoins back..  

something is better then nothing.. esp in the bitcoin world.

[bracek]

at least op is getting bitcoins back..  

something is better then nothing.. esp in the bitcoin world.

thanx,
you are one of the few bringing reason to this thread

[brand]

damn thats one expensive lesson.. 

[Blazed]

look,
you keep polishing your story, but only when I squeeze a bit more,
I stand same ground from the beginning

There shouldn't be any need for him to polish more or for you to squeeze more.  You are being belligerent in a way almost everybody reading you is going to think is unnecessary and counterproductive.  I know I certainly wouldn't make any agreements with you after seeing all of this.  They way you are handling this is something I would want to avoid dealing with at all costs, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same as me.

I agree. After seeing how he is handling this situation I would not deal with him period, even if he were to send goods/money first. He is taking advantage of someone who values his reputation a lot and who could potentially go to jail (for longer) if he is labeled as a thief/dishonest.

You also need to remember that you probably would not be able to sell the coins period without him as there is really not another realistic way of doing so because you would need to send first (and risk the buyer not pay, or make the buyer risk that you not send the coins after paying. I don't think any escrow would accept this trade because it would be too difficult for them to resolve any disputes, putting their reputation at ridk.

I could not agree more.

[Blazed]

Also I bought one of your coins I am assuming a 5BTC...having Charlie sell is a good thing. I bet we haggled over 1 hour on it...had it been anyone else I would have most likely paid less...and they would have sent first.

[bracek]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

[smoothie]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

Sorry for my brevity but what exactly did Charlie not do?

[bracek]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

Sorry for my brevity but what exactly did Charlie not do?

he said he will make payments weekly,
no btc incoming since october 11th

I guess he is again "offline for a few days"

[smoothie]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

Sorry for my brevity but what exactly did Charlie not do?

he said he will make payments weekly,
no btc incoming since october 11th

I guess he is again "offline for a few days"

Can you quote your claim?

[bracek]

why iz none of you righteous boyz calling Charlie out ?

he did not honor his words, again...

Sorry for my brevity but what exactly did Charlie not do?

he said he will make payments weekly,
no btc incoming since october 11th

I guess he is again "offline for a few days"

Can you quote your claim?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.msg9320804#msg9320804

[AT101ET]

Charlie is probably one of the most known members on here.
With the BI saga, he's been in the public light for a while and he's not running anywhere.
He's admitted to owing you the BTC and has said that you will be paid.
I can understand that it's frustrating but ultimately Charlie will keep to his word.
Yes, maybe the deal wasn't well thought out but that is as much your fault as it is his.
He may be slightly late with payments but I'm sure there's a good reason for that.
Believe me, Charlie is no scammer and is not running away with your coins.
You will be paid. Just be patient. Getting all worked up on here won't really solve anything.
Stay calm. Nobody is taking sides here.

I think you're both wonderful people

GL