Need to prove images are not Photoshopped. 0.01 BTC bounty.

[ndnh]

I am having trouble here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817000.0
with updownbot.bz voiding my bets and calling me a scammer and stopping me from participating in anything related to them.
All that is fine, except the scammer part.

So, i need to prove that these pics are not photoshopped :


admin claims he never sent the above PM and does not use rude language.





i tried to do it.
http://www.alltechbuzz.net/check-image-photoshopped-not/

CHECK: http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=06f7e04de39c655409abba87efcf5cfb273982f5.40949

Also, as the site says, the payouts should be 1.95x for LTC/USD. but they atleast till i posted all that stuff, it was 1.75x.

Also please verify that i have not cheated the site or anything. See post #2 of thread.
using https://blockchain.info/address/17tFnqRCrMuibMfBfyqxVfNbdoktNFyNLU

I made 24 bets of 0.005BTC each as my submission for the contest. it is all void.

So, can someone verify all this and prove i am not a scammer?

Thank you for your time


P. S. Updownbot.bz is a legit site and i had no problems till now. The admin often helped me out when i had trouble and there were no issues. they also offer generous giveaways i cannot participate.
I posted this not as a scam accusation or anything, just to prove that i am innocent and i am not a scammer.

[ndnh]

The multiple 0.005 BTC bets are part of the giveaway.

see another submission: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817000.msg9138258#msg9138258

min bet is 0.005BTC and i have to post tx ids.
1 txid = 1 entry
Upto 50 or Unlimited entry for 1 BTC (multiple rewards) prize.
You understand why i made so many bets like everyone else in the giveaway.

READ EVERYTHING BEFORE REPLYING. NO POST SPAMMING ALLOWED.

EDIT: Do you mind sharing the bounty?

[Babba D]

Here is my suggestion which will make this clear , make a  video and show to everyone post here , cool and prooved or go to join.me and show everyone there , hope it helped

btc addy - 17F87TCKzxu9V5iNYyjauTUBWvj71nx3CG

[deepceleron]

You cannot prove anything. Here is a 24 bit png, so not a single pixel has been altered in the screenshot:



You will see that the text is still altered, I altered it directly in the browser using the element inspector and then took a normal screen shot. One could also save and edit the html, or use a proxy. Also, in flat graphics like this (as opposed to pictures of real stuff with a real camera), photoshopping is undetectable.

Instead, I could make the case that the images you posted are cropped to specific areas, so you clearly have the knowledge required to take a screenshot, load it into an image-editing program, alter the dimensions of a picture. Since the images have in fact been altered from the original screenshot by cropping, they have been "photoshopped", and based on my training and experience, someone that can do that can also change the contents of such an image in an undetectable way.

[roslinpl]

You cannot prove anything. Here is a 24 bit png, so not a single pixel has been altered in the screenshot:



You will see that the text is still altered, I altered it directly in the browser using the element inspector and then took a normal screen shot. One could also save and edit the html, or use a proxy. Also, in flat graphics like this (as opposed to pictures of real stuff with a real camera), photoshopping is undetectable.

Instead, I could make the case that the images you posted are cropped to specific areas, so you clearly have the knowledge required to take a screenshot, load it into an image-editing program, alter the dimensions of a picture. Since the images have in fact been altered from the original screenshot by cropping, they have been "photoshopped", and based on my training and experience, someone that can do that can also change the contents of such an image in an undetectable way.

Just well  we can say that your image is edited : your image was made in "Adobe ImageReady".

Instead of your edited image, his screenshots are not showing any info about editing software :]

[ndnh]

My research:

My pic:
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=06f7e04de39c655409abba87efcf5cfb273982f5.40949

File
File Type   PNG
MIME Type   image/png
PNG
Image Width   1176
Image Height   383
Bit Depth   8
Color Type   RGB with Alpha
Compression   Deflate/Inflate
Filter   Adaptive
Interlace   Noninterlaced
SRGB Rendering   Perceptual
Gamma   2.2
Pixels Per Unit X   3779
Pixels Per Unit Y   3779
Pixel Units   Meters
Composite
Image Size   1176x383

Edited pic:
LOT OF BLURRED TOO : http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f1d5c1312b7c9a039b4a13fb06a8c2ddc9b2c965.56270
File
File Type   PNG
MIME Type   image/png
PNG
Image Width   767
Image Height   335
Bit Depth   8
Color Type   RGB
Compression   Deflate/Inflate
Filter   Adaptive
Interlace   Noninterlaced
Software   Adobe ImageReady
Composite
Image Size   767x335


Alternatives:
1) Asking mod
Edit: Is it possible?
2) Taking video
Edit: I think i have to prove that it is not edited or something by reloading or something. i don't have adequate software. still it can be edited too.

[Babba D]

My research:

My pic:
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=06f7e04de39c655409abba87efcf5cfb273982f5.40949

File
File Type   PNG
MIME Type   image/png
PNG
Image Width   1176
Image Height   383
Bit Depth   8
Color Type   RGB with Alpha
Compression   Deflate/Inflate
Filter   Adaptive
Interlace   Noninterlaced
SRGB Rendering   Perceptual
Gamma   2.2
Pixels Per Unit X   3779
Pixels Per Unit Y   3779
Pixel Units   Meters
Composite
Image Size   1176x383

Edited pic:
LOT OF BLURRED TOO : http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f1d5c1312b7c9a039b4a13fb06a8c2ddc9b2c965.56270
File
File Type   PNG
MIME Type   image/png
PNG
Image Width   767
Image Height   335
Bit Depth   8
Color Type   RGB
Compression   Deflate/Inflate
Filter   Adaptive
Interlace   Noninterlaced
Software   Adobe ImageReady
Composite
Image Size   767x335


Alternatives:
1) Asking mod
Edit: Is it possible?
2) Taking video
Edit: I think i have to prove that it is not edited or something by reloading or something. i don't have adequate software. still it can be edited too.

video suggestion was my , anything for it ?   

[ndnh]

My research:

--snip---

video suggestion was my , anything for it ?   

PM'd. i will send all 4 of you 0.005BTC. but just needs the problem to be solved.

[BRE]

Life Goes On

Well i will not say who is right or who is wrong here , but we will not get  100% true answer from this.
Some people will say that pic is original , and some maybe will doubt that.
Meanwhile like i said earlier " Life Goes On " , this matter will not go anyway only made more tension between both of you.
Nobody will give neg trust because of this , and no one will win because of this.

Take a deep breath and calm down , let it go and find peace.

[ndnh]

Life Goes On

Well i will not say who is right or who is wrong here , but we will not get  100% true answer from this.
Some people will say that pic is original , and some maybe will doubt that.
Meanwhile like i said earlier " Life Goes On " , this matter will not go anyway only made more tension between both of you.
Nobody will give neg trust because of this , and no one will win because of this.

Take a deep breath and calm down , let it go and find peace.

I think you didn't read this part at the end of post 1:
"P. S. Updownbot.bz is a legit site and i had no problems till now. The admin often helped me out when i had trouble and there were no issues. they also offer generous giveaways i cannot participate.
I posted this not as a scam accusation or anything, just to prove that i am innocent and i am not a scammer."

The problem is actually bigger.
He voided all my winning bets. (tho he refunded it to save his reputation), he bans me from playing the site, he bans me from participating in any contest, calls me a scammer and he made void all my 24 entries i made for the giveaway ie around more than 0.25BTC bet total.

[deepceleron]

If you are trying to make the case that your inbox has a message from a user with a particular content, the only solution would be to have an admin read your PMs and vouch for what is there, or alternately share your password with a trusted user for the time required to verify the information. If you really want, I can use your password to look at your inbox and see that it has the message you claim is there from the original post, post my findings to this forum topic, after which you can reset your password.

[Babba D]

If you are trying to make the case that your inbox has a message from a user with a particular content, the only solution would be to have an admin read your PMs and vouch for what is there, or alternately share your password with a trusted user for the time required to verify the information. If you really want, I can use your password to look at your inbox and see that it has the message you claim is there from the original post, post my findings to this forum topic, after which you can reset your password.

why not join him on join.me and see if he is honest which i think he is 100%

i have also guided him how to do that

[deepceleron]

The better question - why not just not do business with this person any more. If he doesn't want you gambling on his site, it is the fault of the casino operator for running a site that cheating could happen.

[Babba D]

The better question - why not just not do business with this person any more. If he doesn't want you gambling on his site, it is the fault of the casino operator for running a site that cheating could happen.

Very correct but he want to proove that he got this message , also i am sue he wont gamble there anymore but when someone says bad it must be prooved

[Babba D]

Op please reply did the join.me thing i explained helped anyway ?

[Gridcoiner]

Maybe you should record it as a screencast.

[Babba D]

i explained him in PM which will 100% proove what he is saying is true or false , just waiting for him to reply here whats happening with it

[deepceleron]

ndnhc shared his password with me for the time required to log in and take screenshots of his inbox and outbox.

I'm not really following this casino controversy, just providing an independent observation of what's currently in the inbox. I took screenshots of the entire browser window and just blacked out unrelated PMs.

Apparently the casino thread starts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817000.msg9137061#msg9137061 - you can read the exchange between updownbot.bz the casino operator and ndnhc the gambler there. In the middle of that exchange ndnhc also sent PMs directly to updownbot.bz and got replies, replies that then the casino operator claims he never sent that must be photoshops. It is the same user: the username, post count, and activity are the same.

screen 1: outbox PM #1 and #2, sent message to ubdownbot.bz:
http://we.lovebitco.in/img/2-outbox-3naoe8.png

screen 2: inbox #1 reply from ubdownbot.bz
http://we.lovebitco.in/img/1-inbox-n3iala.png

screen 1: outbox PM #3, sent another message to ubdownbot.bz

screen 2: inbox #2 reply from ubdownbot.bz

screen 3 & 4: more PMs sent to ubdownbot.bz, apparently with no reply.
http://we.lovebitco.in/img/3-outbox-926arr.png
http://we.lovebitco.in/img/4-outbox-aWEd31.png

And no, I don't use Internet Explorer, except to log into another account at the same time to take screenshots.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[Kakmakr]

Why do you not just video tape the actions until you get to the email send to you, and post a link to it in youtube?

There are some manipulation done on gambling sites, and we all know it. In most cases they do this to protect themselves. If they did not, they would have been out of business. [Martingale system protection]

I can see why you want to do this, but it's a bit counter productive, because the end result is going to be the same. You will still be banned from the site. The owner is angry as hell, and it does not look like, he is willing to settle this peacefully.

I would also say, leave it be, and continue to the next site, because there are hundreds of them anyways.

[AltcoinInvestor]

http://regex.info/exif.cgi
this website shows exif data of images.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[roslinpl]

http://regex.info/exif.cgi
this website shows exif data of images.

who cares anymore the giveaway is closed lol

We do care. Your aggressive behavior is suspicious.

Calling members idiots and morons while you are running a casino is not a good behaviour as for a business man.
:-)

[ndnh]

THIS IS NOW CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks to this asshole:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817000.msg9149746#msg9149746

And say thanks to this legendary moron:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817255.msg9149543#msg9149543

and we were about to run 10 BTC giviaway fuck you both. Scammers and cheaters.......

NO MORE GIVEAWAYS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

So long...................

P.S. We will refund some loosing bets from the 1 BTC giveaway to members who were actulay nice to us!
Post your loosing bets here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768155.0

Please DO NOT blame Yahoo, its not his fault i had to close this giveaway. He is a great person and one of the most trustworthy people i met on this board. He was just trying to help me promote the site not even for any coins, but because he actually liked the site and he was trying to help you guys earn some coins.

??

Fuck you, you peice of shit - thats what it is!!!!!!!!!!!
And yes i use foul language just for you - you fucking asshole!
And i will find you in real life and you will not be happy i already hired someone to do just that!

How is that sound to you moron.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[roslinpl]

http://regex.info/exif.cgi
this website shows exif data of images.

who cares anymore the giveaway is closed lol

We do care. Your aggressive behavior is suspicious.

Calling members idiots and morons while you are running a casino is not a good behaviour as for a business man.
:-)

Fuck you too how is that sound to you idiot!

Oh thanks.  That's very kind.

Ps. Just a question how old are you? 
You are running a casino and you are behaving like a criminal.

I can understand your frustration but if you want to run a trusted casino you should  think about your behavior.

Nobody yet called you a scam but you instead of solving bug issues you choose to abuse those who had problems with your casino.

Think about it.

[deepceleron]

You obviously got paid for this shit!

Bitcoin2Pocket 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-12-22   0.00000000   Reference   Scam report on linked thread, noob member setting up an "exchange site", gets his payday and disappears.
QuestionAuthority 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-01-11   0.00000000   Reference   Negative trust version: The user has offered to sell this account to the highest bidder. Was it sold to a scammer? You may never know, the buyer's first new post may be "I decided not to sell my account after all"...
Anonymous™ -8: -2 / +0(0)   2014-04-09   0.00000000      This user is sending unsolicited forum personal messages asking for BTC. Don't trust.

This is your trust thing
Who is gonna trust you lol.

Thanks to you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768155.msg9151476#msg9151476

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Yes, I was tipped a sweet $3 for my time. Judges, mediators, and lawyers also get paid.

That's the trust that I've left against others. Your ad hominem attacks display your lack of reasonable counter-position.

If thanks to me you go away, then thanks to me indeed.

The identical tone and eloquence with the English language in this post vs PMs has removed any remaining doubt for others that you were the author of said messages.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[RocketSingh]

You obviously got paid for this shit!

Bitcoin2Pocket 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-12-22   0.00000000   Reference   Scam report on linked thread, noob member setting up an "exchange site", gets his payday and disappears.
QuestionAuthority 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-01-11   0.00000000   Reference   Negative trust version: The user has offered to sell this account to the highest bidder. Was it sold to a scammer? You may never know, the buyer's first new post may be "I decided not to sell my account after all"...
Anonymous™ -8: -2 / +0(0)   2014-04-09   0.00000000      This user is sending unsolicited forum personal messages asking for BTC. Don't trust.

This is your trust thing
Who is gonna trust you lol.

Thanks to you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768155.msg9151476#msg9151476

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Yes, I was tipped a sweet $3 for my time. Judges, mediators, and lawyers also get paid.

That's the trust that I've left against others. Your ad hominem attacks display your lack of reasonable counter-position.

If thanks to me you go away, then thanks to me indeed.

The identical tone and eloquence with the English language in this post vs PMs has removed any remaining doubt for others that you were the author of said messages.

and that is why your trust level is -6 fuck you too lol

Whose trust level is -6 ? I can see everyone on this page is standing on 0 trust !!!

[ndnh]

Whose trust level is -6 ? I can see everyone on this page is standing on 0 trust !!!

he doesn't know how it works.
he sees -6 because he added negative trust. like i am seeing updownbot.bz with -6 trust.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[CounterEntropy]

You obviously got paid for this shit!

Bitcoin2Pocket 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-12-22   0.00000000   Reference   Scam report on linked thread, noob member setting up an "exchange site", gets his payday and disappears.
QuestionAuthority 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-01-11   0.00000000   Reference   Negative trust version: The user has offered to sell this account to the highest bidder. Was it sold to a scammer? You may never know, the buyer's first new post may be "I decided not to sell my account after all"...
Anonymous™ -8: -2 / +0(0)   2014-04-09   0.00000000      This user is sending unsolicited forum personal messages asking for BTC. Don't trust.

This is your trust thing
Who is gonna trust you lol.

Thanks to you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768155.msg9151476#msg9151476

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Yes, I was tipped a sweet $3 for my time. Judges, mediators, and lawyers also get paid.

That's the trust that I've left against others. Your ad hominem attacks display your lack of reasonable counter-position.

If thanks to me you go away, then thanks to me indeed.

The identical tone and eloquence with the English language in this post vs PMs has removed any remaining doubt for others that you were the author of said messages.

and that is why your trust level is -6 fuck you too lol

Whose trust level is -6 ? I can see everyone on this page is standing on 0 trust !!!

I am done with this board anyway only scammers and cheaters here anyway you can stop this bullshit now.

Grape is always sour UpDown. U should have learned it when u failed with your scam attempt with UpDown.bt. U should have paid the unpaid campaigners of your UpDown.bt Sig campaign to continue that business rather than trying to build up trust on yahoo62278.

Reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=787932.0

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[sumantso]

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Good job on convincing that PM is not by you.

Wasn't updown part of a signature campaign where they didn't payout a few months back? In anycase online gaming sites are always a risk, unless they are well proven like PrimeDice.

Dicebitcoin a few weeks back was caught trying to cheat. Safe to say sites like updown which have unprofessional people like you running it should be avoided.

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[sumantso]

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Good job on convincing that PM is not by you.

Wasn't updown part of a signature campaign where they didn't payout a few months back? In anycase online gaming sites are always a risk, unless they are well proven like PrimeDice.

Dicebitcoin a few weeks back was caught trying to cheat. Safe to say sites like updown which have unprofessional people like you running it should be avoided.

Coming from a guy who actually got 0.01 giveaway from us. fuck you too
scammer

Charming as always.

Can you jog my memory - when did I get that 0.01 BTC?

[updownbot.bz]

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[sumantso]

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Good job on convincing that PM is not by you.

Wasn't updown part of a signature campaign where they didn't payout a few months back? In anycase online gaming sites are always a risk, unless they are well proven like PrimeDice.

Dicebitcoin a few weeks back was caught trying to cheat. Safe to say sites like updown which have unprofessional people like you running it should be avoided.

Coming from a guy who actually got 0.01 giveaway from us. fuck you too
scammer

Charming as always.

Can you jog my memory - when did I get that 0.01 BTC?

Oh yeah i am sorry it was 0.1 BTC

Again, where did I get 0.1 BTC? Here? Through your website? I don't think I ever visited your website.

[iluvpie60]

I will log in and post screenshots if you want. I know I am only a senior member and thats fine if you don't want me to do it. But this is sounding pretty interesting. I like getting to the bottom of stuff!

[updownbot.bz]

Congratulations scammers you all banned from this

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0


ndnhc
Babba D
deepceleron
Gridcoiner
AltcoinInvestor
roslinpl
RocketSingh
CounterEntropy
sumantso
iluvpie60
DiamondCardz

[ndnh]

I will log in and post screenshots if you want. I know I am only a senior member and thats fine if you don't want me to do it. But this is sounding pretty interesting. I like getting to the bottom of stuff!

it is already done: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817255.msg9149543#msg9149543

Thank you for your offer.

[updownbot.bz]

whats up scammers did you get paid for your scam service.

oooh you never will.

too bad you can not  participate here:

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0


ndnhc
Babba D
deepceleron
Gridcoiner
AltcoinInvestor
roslinpl
RocketSingh
CounterEntropy
sumantso
iluvpie60
DiamondCardz

[ndnh]

Edited posts of updownbot.bz in this thread. Only the quoted once have been given:

to sumantso, quoted by sumantso. edited later.

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Coming from a guy who actually got 0.01 giveaway from us. fuck you too
scammer

to me and deepceleron, quoted by me:

Fuck you, you peice of shit - thats what it is!!!!!!!!!!!
And yes i use foul language just for you - you fucking asshole!
And i will find you in real life and you will not be happy i already hired someone to do just that!

How is that sound to you moron.

to  rosinpl quoted by rosinpl

Fuck you too how is that sound to you idiot!

to deepceleron, quoted by many

and that is why your trust level is -6 fuck you too lol

[updownbot.bz]

you guys are never gonna see your promiced 0.01 BTC

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

[ndnh]

you guys are never gonna see your promiced 0.01 BTC

10 BTC Giveaway
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819209.0

He promised bounty has been distributed for proving that the image is not photoshopped.

i am locking this temporarily. should have done that before you edited all this.

[sumantso]

legendary moron and scammer just like the other asshole

Good job on convincing that PM is not by you.

Wasn't updown part of a signature campaign where they didn't payout a few months back? In anycase online gaming sites are always a risk, unless they are well proven like PrimeDice.

Dicebitcoin a few weeks back was caught trying to cheat. Safe to say sites like updown which have unprofessional people like you running it should be avoided.

Coming from a guy who actually got 0.01 giveaway from us. fuck you too
scammer

Charming as always.

Can you jog my memory - when did I get that 0.01 BTC?

Oh yeah i am sorry it was 0.1 BTC

Again, where did I get 0.1 BTC? Here? Through your website? I don't think I ever visited your website.

... and he has now deleted the post. Thankfully all the stuff he said are quoted.

The chronic lying is baffling behaviour from someone running a gambling site. No doubt he believes he will get enough suckers by luring them with the 10 BTC giveaway.

For anyone reading this topic, he never gave me anything; I never asked for anything in the first place. I hardly venture into the gambling section anyway. It surprised me to see he suddenly saying he gave me, I guess he believes he can just lie and get away with it.