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September 09, 2020, 03:47:35 PM
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...snip...

Fact remains, simple statistics, you could find 20 or 30 John Freys with stronger evidence of being Gap dev.

Edit to add
Not sure why you call me trolling. My intention is to improve gapcoin by encouraging real development. You all are focused entirely on marketing and glitz. Your website specifically is useful for the coin’s purpose, but its usefulness goes nowhere if the coin is not developed. Graham’s and BayAreaCoin’s efforts are entirely froth. Part of the coin mentality that anybody who knows tech stuff has a better view of the ecosystem. It’s like putting mechanics in charge of General Motors.

Well, off you go then to find a more likely candidate ... ?  Roll Eyes

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Hardly "focused entirely on marketing and glitz" ... more like keeping the network running, finding developers and exchanges and trying to garner some continued community interest in the project.

For example, the hosting for the block explorer website is about to expire, so I guess I will have to go and renew that.

- https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gap/

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...snip...

Fact remains, simple statistics, you could find 20 or 30 John Freys with stronger evidence of being Gap dev.

Edit to add
Not sure why you call me trolling. My intention is to improve gapcoin by encouraging real development. You all are focused entirely on marketing and glitz. Your website specifically is useful for the coin’s purpose, but its usefulness goes nowhere if the coin is not developed. Graham’s and BayAreaCoin’s efforts are entirely froth. Part of the coin mentality that anybody who knows tech stuff has a better view of the ecosystem. It’s like putting mechanics in charge of General Motors.

Well, off you go then to find a more likely candidate ... ?  Roll Eyes

...

Hardly "focused entirely on marketing and glitz" ... more like keeping the network running, finding developers and exchanges and trying to garner some continued community interest in the project.

For example, the hosting for the block explorer website is about to expire, so I guess I will have to go and renew that.

- https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gap/

Roll Eyes

The dudes retarded lol.

I'm not even sure what he's talking about.  I just listed GAP on FreeBitcoins... people are free to use it or not use it.  We just offer an arena for people to come if they want to.  

IMO the only thing "foth" here is someone with an opinion about everything, but contributes nothing to a project and hangs around to attempt to cause discord.

It would be far more bothersome if ShillGutherie was even remotely close to being correct, but they aren't, so in one ear and out the other!


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September 11, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
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It would be really fantastic to see the upper bound limits removed someday, perhaps.

We simply need moar primespersec (network has power) i.e. more folks mining and/or better miners / ASICs etc.,

I don't believe that the upper bound on shift value is a blocking issue. Back in Dec 2017, YomKi articulated why:

There are a few different methods being used for current gap finding efforts:

  • Exhaustive search.  This is looking for true record gaps, which means it started at 2 and went up from there.  It's intensely computationally expensive.  Tomás Oliveira e Silva ran a distributed project from 2005 to 2012 that got to 4e18 using years of work on hundreds of cores.  Interestingly, the computational result was used in Helfgott's 2013 proof of the Odd Goldbach Conjecture.  Recently the PGS team at mersenneforum have used a different method to extend this and after about 9 months have brought this to 10e18.  The number of records per computational effort is very small, however these are true Minimal Gaps -- once found the record is permanent, as no earlier gaps of that size exist.

  • Gapcoin.  For relatively small P1 values (84-347 digits), choose a random small range, sieve out small multiples, then run Fermat tests to find gaps.  While each step is efficient and fast, it's rather inefficient at finding record gaps.  It's basically rapidly throwing darts while blindfolded and being spun around -- the only way to get more darts in the target is to throw faster.

  • Primorial methods.  Gaps are far more common at multiples of primorials without some small divisors, e.g. numbers of the form N * p# / k with k a small square free number.  So if one looks at increasing values of N * 191#/30, for instance, using efficient methods for finding the previous and next primes around that point, one can find record gaps many times times faster than the gapcoin method.  That is the method used by most other searchers and is what holds all but 3 of the highest merits (those three being from the exhaustive search).  There are some minor variations -- Hans Rosenthal in 2017 did searches with a fixed large N and instead varied k.  Using the dart analogy from before, this is throwing darts while aiming at the target.  The darts are thrown a lot slower, but since they're all thrown in the direction of the target rather than randomly around the room, more of them result in high results.

I find it worth bearing in mind that the Gapcoin code is performing not one but two functions - the discovery of prime gaps with record merit is a designed side-effect of using prime gap search as as a proof-of-work mechanism for a cryptocurrency and that dual functioning requirement necessarily restricts the range of P1 values that can be selected. As I noted, the higher the shift, the larger the primes being sieved and so the lower the hash rate. More efficient primorial-based methods for finding gaps are an ill fit with the requirement to act as a proof-of-work mechanism. The Prime Gap Search group of the mersenne forum has an open source primorial-based gap search implementation but, given its functional focus is on searching gaps, it's not a good solution for a proof-of-work implementation.

The fact that the Gapcoin prime gap record search implementation isn't as efficient as a dedicated approach is an inevitable trade-off arising from its use as a proof-of-work mechanism. Baisically, it's a balance and emphasising one aspect of this dual-functioning comes at the expense of the other.

...snip...

Indeed. I'm just keen to see what additional Prime Gaps Gapcoin might spin-up as the hash rate hopefully increases.

No forks required in the mean tine of course (an intentional pun).

P.S. Looks good Graham. I will PM you back ASAP. I guess we are going to have to co-ordinate a lot more on this one from now on then.

@Graham

- https://github.com/gapcoin/Gapcoin-PoWCore

"Additional notes:

    start–index can be hash ∗ 2^shift + [0, 2^shift)
    max sieve size depends on start index, and is limited by (hash + 2^shift) - start–index.
    shift can theoretically be in range [14, 2^16) but nodes can choose to only accept shifts till a given amount (e.g. 512) "


 Smiley

Without objection from any of the original developers of Gapcoin I'm contacting Square, Inc. - Cryptocurrency Open Patent Alliance (COPA) ...

- https://open-patent.org/

With regards to the possibility of them helping the Gapcoin project to protect the original Gapcoin-PoWCore from any 'bad' actors.

Patentleft
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patentleft

...

Another disclaimer is also being added to the https://gapcoin.club website ...

"Disclaimer (Warning): Gapcoin (GAP) is NOT associated with the pi network project."

Onward.

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SinbadGuthrie you really have no clue what your talking about your speculation without any proof of what you are saying is outrageous.

No one has hijacked and BitcoinFX, Bayareacoins and Higgins have worked very hard to keep this project going.

To be honest GAP is not about money it never has been so price is a secondary to the main purpose of the coin.

Do you have a clear understanding of the project a fundamental level I seriously doubt it by your previous postings.

Some things are way more important than "having a bag"

Have a think about what prime gaps are used for and you might gain a idea why this project could be groundbreaking.

Also it's a very small community there is no need for arguments if you want answers just ask like anyone else but stating things to be fact when you have no proof are unacceptable.

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September 16, 2020, 07:01:32 AM
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... and it's worth noting that the current record for the largest prime gap with best merit is still held by Gapcoin with a (n inferred, from "87-digit prime") shift of 30

For the record, two gaps with highest merits on GapCoin blockchain so far have been found with a shift of 32, but there is nothing magical or clandestine about 32 here!

http://gapcoin.org/primegaps-merits.php
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gap/block.dws?646118.htm#raw
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gap/block.dws?655591.htm#raw


Glad your still active here.  Thanks for your contributions, which everyone likes to build upon. 


Are you using Jonn9 latest custom miner which has the option to take the highest merit block into the Blockchain?


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September 16, 2020, 07:26:55 AM
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SinbadGutherie,

well Alexa bot that responds when spoken to?


Anyway, this is the place to work out issues.  Everything open source needs to plow/till the internet soil before we can harvest the crop.


I remember another member while searching who is even more of a noted critical support of Gapcoin.  He payed 1 Bitcoin to list Gapcoin onto Cryptopia.co.nz after Poloniex de-listed gapcoin, but kept Riecoin listed.  After this failed assualt, as Riecoin distribution is bad Poloniex saw the "Math Coin" is no longer making money so they eventually de-listed Riecoin also.  Primecoin was listed on Poloniex also I think?Huh   I don't know anything other than that which one got de-listed first Riecoin or Primecoin?

I want to say Primecoin was the last to be de-listed from Poloniex, but essentially they were the "Math/Science" crypto-exchange service.  Shortly after Goldman Sachs bought out Poloniex.


But without someone stepping up to navigate the new listing onto Cryptopia.co.nz Gapcoin would be disappeared a long time ago.

The Network Hash rate has went to 100 million PPS after breaking the World Record/a.k.a. PrimeObession.  Someone used a Amazon Cloud provider to take over the network.

Gapcoin has been around 8 Million PPS to 15 Million PPS for a long time.  The current 20-30 Million PPS is healthy. 


But no one will take much interest until this adopts ASIC's, and starts smashing records daily. 



Incidentally, if Gapcoin ever achieved ASIC' level.  The Coin supply would RAPIDLY RISE with the difficulty Rise. 


So, it would have to be based on Merit if Gapcoin continues or not.  As making money is not really an option here.  But middle range scamming as we have had is a highly evolved tactics to squeeze every last ounce of Satoshi's spirit out of Gapcoin.


The Distributed Nature of the Blockchain is ideal for Computer Researchers to collaborate.  However would they really want to forgo the use of their own 64-128 bit supercomputer PrimeGap Research to support a 32bit Crypto token? 


Or maybe I am wrong and the only Research is Private Government Computers allowed to research PrimeGaps and not Research Centers?  I don't know.  It would be interesting to know if anyone works around this area. 







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I remember another member while searching who is even more of a noted critical support of Gapcoin.  He payed 1 Bitcoin to list Gapcoin onto Cryptopia.co.nz after Poloniex de-listed gapcoin, but kept Riecoin listed.  After this failed assualt, as Riecoin distribution is bad Poloniex saw the "Math Coin" is no longer making money so they eventually de-listed Riecoin also.  Primecoin was listed on Poloniex also I think?Huh   I don't know anything other than that which one got de-listed first Riecoin or Primecoin?

It was me actually who paid most of the fee to get Gapcoin on Cryptopia back in 2016 for about 0.2 BTC. It didn't seem much those days, but anyway.
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I remember another member while searching who is even more of a noted critical support of Gapcoin.  He payed 1 Bitcoin to list Gapcoin onto Cryptopia.co.nz after Poloniex de-listed gapcoin, but kept Riecoin listed.  After this failed assualt, as Riecoin distribution is bad Poloniex saw the "Math Coin" is no longer making money so they eventually de-listed Riecoin also.  Primecoin was listed on Poloniex also I think?Huh   I don't know anything other than that which one got de-listed first Riecoin or Primecoin?

It was me actually who paid most of the fee to get Gapcoin on Cryptopia back in 2016 for about 0.2 BTC. It didn't seem much those days, but anyway.


O, I forgot to mention... the small fee for listing GAP on FreeBitcoins.... *evil laugh* lol jk jk Tongue


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Incidentally, if Gapcoin ever achieved ASIC' level.  The Coin supply would RAPIDLY RISE with the difficulty Rise.  



From the website and announcement

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* Block reward proportional to the current difficulty
* Block reward halving every 420000 (about 2 years)
* Cap: about 10 - 30 million GAP
* Difficulty adjusts every block and increases logarithmically (it will probably take years to get to 50)
 
Fair launch:
* Gapcoin was not designed to enrich the early adopters or the coin creators! Unlike Primecoin, the more people mine Gapcoin, the more coins per block will be produced. (Coin supply will increase logarithmically with the difficulty, this means it will grow in the beginning, but later, it won't change much.)


Now there are ~ 16 million.

It isn’t clear to me exactly how production increases. j0nn9 was doing what all devs, including ‘Satoshi Nakamoto’ did. He was pretending the coin was not issued to favor early adopters. ...snip...


Big difference between "production increase" vs noninflationary 'growth' overtime ...

Remember: The Gapcoin mining reward is the block reward plus the prime gap (network difficulty) and fees.

Simply view any Gapcoin blocks raw data on the block explorer ...

This 'feature' is incentive to mine (value) and to discover bigger prime gaps.

Hence,

* Cap: about 10 - 30 million GAP
* Difficulty adjusts every block and increases logarithmically (it will probably take years to get to 50)

The total number of Gapcoin produced depends on the network mining difficulty.

One day the prime gap merit reward per block will outweigh the block reward, it already outweighs the current transaction fees.  Cheesy

Gapcoin is quite literally Bitcoin code plus the mathematical laws of nature.

PoW at its finest. The economic model itself is genius.

P.S. I sometimes wonder why folks don't question further why a Bitcoin 'old timer' like myself is so interested in at least maintaining this seemingly unloved project.

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...snip...

The main point, looking at the coin’s emission, is that the coin was primarily designed to give a lot of coins to early miners. It’s main goal was not to find prime gaps for many years.

That’s fine. A lot of the coin economy is about trying to hype up things and convince people to pretend that this or that coin has some incredible value because bags shouldn’t go to waste.

I’m fine with that, and wish well for the development of gapcoin since I have a small amount. Eventually there will be a shift to genuine science coins which use taskwork by miners, and I will keep watching for that, but gapcoin is an interesting coin that may do well on its current path.


Gapcoins focus has always been prime gap discovery ... since block 1 ... that is gapcoin's Proof-of-Work functionality.  Roll Eyes

- https://github.com/gapcoin/Gapcoin-PoWCore

The emission is relative to the network difficulty (and of course the block halving). Again, ...

* Block reward proportional to the current difficulty
* Block reward halving every 420000 (about 2 years)
* Cap: about 10 - 30 million GAP
* Difficulty adjusts every block and increases logarithmically (it will probably take years to get to 50)


The economic model, in this regard, might be considered somewhat superior to Bitcoin.

Gapcoin mining, relative to Bitcoin has not even been pushed (logarithmically) much past the center of the spiral (network difficulty).

...

As with Bitcoin, don't blame the code because you didn't (or couldn't) mine from block 1.

Don't blame the market or others because you didn't (or couldn't) buy coins when the price of market was relatively low.

Don't SPNDL and complain that you didn't HODL, because trust me, no one cares! Not even 1 Satoshi.

greed != prime_gaps [citation needed !?]

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I’m ; I ; I ; I ; I ; I ; but I ; I ; I ; I ; I’m ; I ;
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I ; my ; I ; I’d ; but I ;

WTF with you ? Please respect your words and Shut Up definitely, troll.
It's Not a question.

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I’m ; I ; I ; I ; I ; I ; but I ; I ; I ; I ; I’m ; I ;
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WTF with you ? Please respect your words and Shut Up definitely, troll.

Thanks, Wizz.

Stfu. I’ve been involved with this coin for years. I was asked to leave the thread and my response is I will not intrude anymore unless a comment is directed to me.

Don’t address a comment to me, moron, and I will not respond.

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Very clever ploy trying to make it look like I am the one acting entirely in self interest.

A bunch of people who accumulated a vast amount of gapcoin trying to do the minimum possible amount of work to increase their investment while pretending that their goal is to increase the work done ‘for the greater good’.

It’s the old N Korea or ‘communist’ silliness trying to trick stupid people into pretending ‘everybody is one’ and ‘there is no I in team’ etc. It works when you have a gun or when you are talking to stupid people. A person can only act on their own experiences and knowledge.

Trying to pretend that everybody knows the same things, or that a person should pretend to know what other people know, is the idiot realm.

Sheesh Mate, this was a good forum till you turned up....looks like most people don't want to know your opinions, and no-one seems to want your websites, so why not either do all this yourself, or leave it as it was....
Thing is, if i was a newbie to this forum, and saw all your "speeches" i'd simply click "next"...if you honestly think having a go at everyone when this coin is trying to compete with over 2500 other coins, well, enuff said.
Might be best for you to just take the open source code and develop your own "math" coin, cos clearly this one isnt't for you...oh and before you accuse me of being a "bag holder" i don't even think i have 1000 coins, i just throw a few threads at it now and again
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September 17, 2020, 07:00:38 PM
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Money and "Internet" fame are what makes everyone drunk and to kill their own friends while drunk.


Excluding participants due to different perceptions of reality is wrong. 


I can guarantee everyone involved here.  Sinbad Gutherie is not stupid nor is he trolling. 


To ignore the absolute treacherous path that Alt-Coin markets have displayed everyone running for the money drunk with fame for the moment hoping to dump their bags to Goldman Sachs and company ect......


I know most don't nor could understand the intricate nature of financial chicanery, but their is an extensive history of it beyond the internet age, but which has invaded internet land with full force. 


I know this, there is no successful Bitcoin Code Clone that has ever been successful, and that is a FACT!


Even Namecoin which has everything on a golden platter, merge mining with Bitcoin, NO ONE CARES!  FACT!


Everyone wants the CIA approved Drug Coin a.k.a. Bitcoin.  Because Goldman Sachs and the Printing Press dictates the winners and losers.

It is a double edged sword.  Bitcoin has generated some good things and bad.  But it's foundation the so called Satoshi Vision was Good.  But his vision was quickly hijacked.  Bitcoin without Silk Road or Wikileaks is basically nothing. Bitcoin has had so many VAST thefts let alone the lack of understanding of most how to back up wallets ect....

It's fine, I don't care about dying without servants in the cold?  Why worry about worthless things?  Death will come eventually? 

Do you imagine fighting over simple things will bring about wealth? 

Wealth for the most part has ever come about by the Victorious Army.  With each Victorious Army, dictating the new terms.  Each until their fall.






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September 17, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
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The only thing, that brings true wealth is "human capital".


It is a big struggle.  The Rich want Robots to replace 1/2 of humanity and FAST!



The Rich also want no Real Pathways to rise above their poverty control systems.



Their is a AI dagger around every corner?  AI is not being programmed to enrich the masses.  It is being programmed to enrich it's owners.  And the AI can only do that which it is programmed to do.  The AI will steal ideas, clone them patent them all before Einstein or Nikola Tesla ever get off the pot taking a shit.  

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September 21, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
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Out of curiosity do you think GAP should look to FPGA tech?

I have a idea that could be very interesting for those who mine bitcoin with ASIC's the controller boards seem to have embedded a Xilinx. XC7Z007S-1CLG225C ZYNQ chip (CLG225ABX1801) <-- Data sheet ref.

https://www.digikey.my/product-detail/en/xilinx-inc/XC7Z007S-1CLG225C/122-2002-ND/6593125

What is there was a way to flash the controller boards with a Bitstream and have them work on GAP coin as a dual miner the ASIC part still mining bitcoin and the FPGA on the controller board used to connect to the gap network?



Surly if 10000's of these boards were flashed and run as a kind of merged miner in the sense then the gap network would really start to grow.

Just a thought but would be pretty epic if possible.

Willing to donate boards for development if people were interested.

Please excuse the dust in the photo!

"If you don't believe it or don't get it, I don't have the time to try to convince you, sorry". Satoshi Nakamoto
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