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October 07, 2015, 05:16:38 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.
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October 07, 2015, 05:36:14 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that new wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.
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October 07, 2015, 06:00:25 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.
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October 07, 2015, 08:13:34 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.
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October 07, 2015, 08:39:06 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.

I invested in NXT and NEM mostly, a little bit in HZ. I see a roadmap for both, not for HZ, so this way I asking about future plans of HZ.
Why do you think HZ could be more valuable than NEM? What are benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.)?
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October 07, 2015, 08:51:50 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.

I invested in NXT and NEM mostly, a little bit in HZ. I see a roadmap for both, not for HZ, so this way I asking about future plans of HZ.
Why do you think HZ could be more valuable than NEM? What are benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.)?

The first benefits is than Hz have prices more low than Nxt, The distribution of Hz was better than Nxt did it,
About roadmap is it https://horizonplatform.io/about/development-roadmap/,  Maybe the devs of Horizon will give you an explanation more clear.
HZ could be more valuable than NEM because Hz have less supply than NEM does but it need new exchanges the devs are working on it, About  benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.), I could say that alls are really good projects.
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October 07, 2015, 09:03:48 AM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.

I invested in NXT and NEM mostly, a little bit in HZ. I see a roadmap for both, not for HZ, so this way I asking about future plans of HZ.
Why do you think HZ could be more valuable than NEM? What are benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.)?

The first benefits is than Hz have prices more low than Nxt, The distribution of Hz was better than Nxt did it,
About roadmap is it https://horizonplatform.io/about/development-roadmap/,  Maybe the devs of Horizon will give you an explanation more clear.
HZ could be more valuable than NEM because Hz have less supply than NEM does but it need new exchanges the devs are working on it, About  benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.), I could say that alls are really good projects.


Seems roadmap is a little bit old from your link Smiley OK, let's wait what devs have to say Smiley
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.

I invested in NXT and NEM mostly, a little bit in HZ. I see a roadmap for both, not for HZ, so this way I asking about future plans of HZ.
Why do you think HZ could be more valuable than NEM? What are benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.)?

The first benefits is than Hz have prices more low than Nxt, The distribution of Hz was better than Nxt did it,
About roadmap is it https://horizonplatform.io/about/development-roadmap/,  Maybe the devs of Horizon will give you an explanation more clear.
HZ could be more valuable than NEM because Hz have less supply than NEM does but it need new exchanges the devs are working on it, About  benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.), I could say that alls are really good projects.


Seems roadmap is a little bit old from your link Smiley OK, let's wait what devs have to say Smiley

This is acount NHZ-2B4Y-6JVX-VMB7-G8WSS dumping everytime, when balance reaches 1M or above. Seems he is running 139 nodes. Do you think he will stay in community and contribute something to HZ after distribution ends? I don't think so Smiley
139 nodes from 805 nodes is 17% of nodes running. Imagine what dump will be after distribution ends Smiley
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October 07, 2015, 11:03:36 AM
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1)I have 141 node running up right now. After distribution will end i promise to support the network by min. 13 nodes to maximum of 41 (i dont know how many exactly i can stay but something between 13-41 for sure) for free (community support in HZ welcome Smiley)

2) I think no big dump will occur after distribution over, becouse no more bounty nodes to dump. We expierience dumping everyday by node owners so i think it will change in good way.

3) We are all waiting for 5.0 wallet and secret big changes from dev team Smiley

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October 07, 2015, 12:04:42 PM
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A node uses hardly any system resources, it is dirt cheap to run, if you have a machine running already anyway having a node on it is hardly any impact at all.

Sure people who blew extra money to run extra machines specifically to run a node will probably shut the extra machines down but they were never really people that a network would want anyway, they are the slash and burn miner types, that run around destroying coin after coin, it maybe would have been better to make the distribution payouts low enough that no one would want to fire up a rented node specifically to run it, set the payouts to where only people who already have machines up and running doing other things but with spare capacity would bother to add a node to one or more of their already-running machines.

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October 07, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
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Some thoughts before the sleep Smiley

I don't see future for HZ, after distribution will end. There will be left few nodes which is not enough for keeping network secure and working perfectly.
HZ is the young brother of NXT, always few steps behind the new NXT features. HZ do not have its unique features comparing with NXT, personally I think, with all respect to HZ devs, they are wasting their time trying to adopt old NXT source code for HZ. Maybe there are some projects under the hood, but these project could be done perfectly with NXT code.

What I want to say:

1. Why not to swap all existing HZ with NXT or swap with the new currency unit, using NXT monetary system, if we want to keep HZ as separate project (example is Nautiluscoin)? After this, there is no need to operate and secure separate network, all can work on already operating and secure NXT network.
2. If we could move to NXT, NXT community would be stronger with addition of HZ community, devs could cooperate with NXT devs, making NXT stronger, upcoming projects, if any, could be easy done with NXT, attracting both NXT and HZ communities to them.

Curious, what devs and community think about it?

I think we all can agree, when distribution will end, there will be less interest in HZ and a lot HZ will probably be dumped. And what will be then? What the unique roadmap fo HZ? With swap we could stop big dump after distribution, if there are some upcoming projects, which can be done with NXT easily.

Could we discuss this, while HZ is in some silent mode and distribution reaching the end?

EDIT: some typoes edited Smiley


Please let me  put a simple example, All cars   have tires, Glass, Engine, They serve to  the same without elaborating at some point they derived of a few that gave rise, So on Crypto  too  it's possible that Hoizon can have a future equal or  even better that Nxt. Maybe not tomorrow, Neither a day after tomorrow,
but maybe in the future so Hz have to go step by step. The idea is not have thousands of different models, But enough to meet the needs of peoples.
Your  number 2 point is very interesting but could be with the nodes too, For example Hz can cooperate with NXT with some nodes and Nxt can do the same and so both clients can are running forging on the same node doing both networks more safe and bigger. This strategy can be applied not only with Nxt but with others coins. Besides stay on TOP 100 should be an important focus.

For me, nodes problem is not very important, comparing with future roadmap of HZ. I feel HZ will slowly die, because meantime we have some community because of nodes bounties. Do you think there will be bigger or the same community after distribution ends?
So, my thoughts are, that without closer collaboration with NXT community, there is no future for HZ, despite we have some good devs and maybe some people with projects in mind.

I think that will be the  same community after distribution ends but the number of nodes will decrease because with low prices run nodes Hz 24/7 is difficult, But I could say the same nobody knows really, Remember that New wallet 5.0 is coming after that the distribution end, So if any dump eventually anybody  will  buy its.


Let me say straight, there will be less, more less community after distribution ends. What unique HZ has comparing with NXT? New wallet 5.0 is old NXT wallet 1.5.x (correct me if I'm wrong). Even if HZ devs will create killer app, who will marketing it? It can be easy inculded in NXT with bigger community and more devs.

Do we know how big HZ community is? Aproximately.

Devs are familiar with NXT code. If there some big projects under the hood, why not to get help from bigger NXT community, marketing and devs for project to succeed and to reach bigger masses?

Your comparison of cars, is not correct for crypto decentralized environment. BMW and Suzuki both have engines, wheels and glasses. But who is the winner?

It would be nice to hear from devs, what future of HZ they see. Is there any roadmap or feature or project comming?

P.S. I don't try to FUD in here, I just want that the real Crypto 2.0 (NXT) become stronger, attracting talented HZ devs and community members to work together for the bigger goal.

P.P.S. BTW, when distribution will end approx.?

P.P.S. I'm not native english speaking, so my thoughts could be seen as a little mess Smiley Sorry.

Besides of Nxt I see that you are a Nem supporter   by your signature, The unique reason to low price
of Hz is that it have only 2 exchanges but if it hit at least the same than NEM, Hz could be more valuable even more than NEM.
By the way the distribution could end on a month aprox. Maybe.

I invested in NXT and NEM mostly, a little bit in HZ. I see a roadmap for both, not for HZ, so this way I asking about future plans of HZ.
Why do you think HZ could be more valuable than NEM? What are benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.)?

The first benefits is than Hz have prices more low than Nxt, The distribution of Hz was better than Nxt did it,
About roadmap is it https://horizonplatform.io/about/development-roadmap/,  Maybe the devs of Horizon will give you an explanation more clear.
HZ could be more valuable than NEM because Hz have less supply than NEM does but it need new exchanges the devs are working on it, About  benefits of HZ against NXT or NEM (features, projects, community, etc.), I could say that alls are really good projects.


Seems roadmap is a little bit old from your link Smiley OK, let's wait what devs have to say Smiley

This is acount NHZ-2B4Y-6JVX-VMB7-G8WSS dumping everytime, when balance reaches 1M or above. Seems he is running 139 nodes. Do you think he will stay in community and contribute something to HZ after distribution ends? I don't think so Smiley
139 nodes from 805 nodes is 17% of nodes running. Imagine what dump will be after distribution ends Smiley

I just noticed that, Anyway He probably will run less nodes but the rest will be filled by anothers new nodes.
How?  The price could rise with  less hz on market, Peoples will know that is more difficult to get Hz, It will push prices up, New projects could be released and more peoples will be supportig Hz. I hope  see on 2016  Hz on Top 100 at least.
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October 08, 2015, 05:50:47 PM
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OK, silence from devs about future plans, maybe holidays Smiley
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October 08, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
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1171 nodes today, 366 more than 2 days ago.

Who can rent vps so cheap Huh

116 HZ income today, 3480 HZ per month (theoretically, trend falling fast).
At current exchange rates that are 0.0015 BTC or 0.36$ income per month.

This is against all economic reason, I do not understand that.
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October 09, 2015, 12:16:02 AM
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1171 nodes today, 366 more than 2 days ago.

Who can rent vps so cheap Huh

116 HZ income today, 3480 HZ per month (theoretically, trend falling fast).
At current exchange rates that are 0.0015 BTC or 0.36$ income per month.

This is against all economic reason, I do not understand that.

so what you are saying then?

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OK, silence from devs about future plans, maybe holidays Smiley

Pharesim made a post about a few things on the Facebook thread. I will re-post it -

Not really news, but for those not on slack here's what's up:
We kind of have smart contracts ready, but lack the developer capacity to implement it. Especially regarding that NXT will come up with their own implementation sooner or later, and merging that could become hell of a job for mawo. So, no smart contracts here until someone steps up to take on the code we got and claims responsibility for it unsure emoticon
Multiplatform mobile app will be created from the 5.x HTML GUI, my tests so far look good. Everyone's invited to test http://eu3.woll-e.net:6976/index.html on phones or with small browser windows to find any possible remaining flaws.

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October 11, 2015, 08:37:10 PM
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For more spreading information about Horizon, I want to make a translation of the new site into Russian and possibly Ukrainian languages. If you do not have translator yet, please pm me...
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Looking into web wallet connection issue.

Update: Fixed and back up.

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Sorry for the delays on our announcement. Still waiting on a 3rd party to finish up  Lips sealed Cry

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October 18, 2015, 01:23:03 PM
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Hello
I have two hallmarked nodes with the same account in which i put 100 in node weight, so each node will has 50% of the total forging power?
Thanks!
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October 18, 2015, 02:36:50 PM
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Hello
I have two hallmarked nodes with the same account in which i put 100 in node weight, so each node will has 50% of the total forging power?
Thanks!

No, that has nothing to do with forging. With the weight value you can set traffic ratios for your peers.
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