The Treadmill of Atheism

[luckypyrate]

I do agree with the OP though.  I have been following the Four Horsemen (or three now?)  more closely lately and I noticed there is a lot of times when they give way more concessions to the opposition than ought be allowed.  

But the fact of the matter is this is not something that these debates are really needed to solve.  People are smarter now.  I would wager the least intelligent person today is as smart as the above average intelligent person in the times the Council of Nicea convened, and several hundred years after.  People are not as ignorant to what is real and observable as they were before.  And the church simply does not have the power it used to have.  We still hold reverence to it like it does, for some reason, which is unfortunate.  But whenever anyone tries to challenge me with the "why is Christianity so popular throughout the world then? Are all those people just stupid and duped?"  My answer is no.  The fact is for the 2,000 since Christ the church has brutally murdered anyone who didn't believe the way they did and we are only a few generations from the times when people were burned at the stake for heresy...which was a pretty hefty list of just about anything that didn't involve reading the Bible or being in church.  

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[BADecker]

I am hoping that there hasn't been something like a big black hole that has destroyed all of the rest of space, and simply hasn't gotten here. If its destruction is propagated at the speed of light, the only people that might have an instant inkling that destruction is upon us, will be the astronomers that happen to have their eye to the telescope when it hits.

The smarter people would agree with me on this.

Because you just stated scientific fact.    There is a giant black hole at the centre of most galaxies, including the Milky Way. In a few hundred billion years the earth will be pulled in.

Your bible doesn't mention this, because the people who wrote it were ignorant.  And you are promoting their ignorance 2,000 years later.  

Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact.  

[Vod]

Gradually, we are finding that there are written records of the things written in the Bible. Israel, the nation that was the "home" for the early Bible was destroyed, finally. It is the conqueror who writes the history.

No, we're not.  Like your priests, information is being moulded to fit into your brainwashing.  The only place the information is shared is in church with other brainwashed members.  Such information will eventually be peer reviewed and restricted to the realm of fairy tales.

The Egyptian "plagues" were cause by a long drought.  The Egyptians eventually let their slaves go because they couldn't be fed.  Nothing to do with your imaginary god.

[BADecker]

The vast majority of the world has been brainwashed by whatever other than the Bible has brainwashed them.

Brainwashing is a religious delight.  I am not forced to congregate with other brainwashed people once a week lest my common sense start taking hold.  I don't need my physics teachers to prove to me weekly that gravity pulls me down.  I'm not forced to repeat brainwashed phrases a dozen time a week (the lord is with you, and also with you)....  Why do you guys feel the need to keep reminding you of your faith?  Because without constant reinforcement, brainwashing fades.

That is why every year your god loses followers (even in the US!) and more people pronounce they don't believe in fairly tales anymore.  You are a dying breed.  

Well, finally you are saying something that is true. Only you are talking about your religion of atheism, even though you don't know it.

[Vod]

Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact.  

Again, I do.  I can prove the scientific theories in my own home anytime.  That's how science works.  

If you are getting all your information from the bible (because there is no other information available) then you don't know what you are writing is fact.  So stop passing it off as fact and promoting ignorance.  

[Vod]

Well, finally you are saying something that is true. Only you are talking about your religion of atheism, even though you don't know it.

Everything I write is true.  You never bothered to educate yourself, relying instead on a dying belief system based on ignorance.

One day you will realize the truth, and you are going to feel like such an idiot for believing,  I know, because it happened to me. 

[BADecker]

The moon is not a light
But that's really all we knew of it until we went there.

Of course!  That's what the bible is - written based on the beliefs of the time - beliefs we have since proved to be wrong. 

So why do you still believe?  Answer:  Brainwashing.  The only other answer is you are being wilfully ignorant.

You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light. The way that people wrote back then is different from the way that we write. That's all.

Consider, we may find in the future that all material is really made out of light. Who knows what scientists will discover.

[Vod]

You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light.

Well, I hope that even with the weekly brainwashing, most cult members manage to talk to enough normal people to realize it's reflected light - not it's own source.

My point is - back when the bible was written - everyone believed the moon was it's own light source.

How can you believe anything that is written in such a book?  Answer:  You usually don't unless you are forced through repeated church visits.

[BADecker]

The point is, we can only guess what the ice core samples are showing us because, we don't know for sure how they were deposited in the distant past.

YOU can only guess - your religion has had no new answers for 2,000 years.     You seem to not comprehend how much we have learned in 2,000 years!

Science knows exactly when the ice was laid down and even what the atmosphere was like at the time.  All using tools and knowledge you could use in the comfort of your own home should you choose to open your closed mind.  

New answers? Why would one want new answers when the old ones are the correct ones?

Science simply thinks that it knows about the origins of the ice in the core samples.

[BADecker]

The Earth is not motionless
The quoted bible passage has to do with a poetic way of saying that the earth's whole cosmology is set and cannot be changed.

How do you know this?  Your priest told you?  How does he know this?  His priest told him?

That's what brainwashing is.  Ignoring the proof before your eyes over what you have been repeatedly told.  The earth moves, dude.

 

It's in the way it is written. Read it yourself, and you will see. 

[Vod]

New answers? Why would one want new answers when the old ones are the correct ones?

So you believe a rape victim should be forced to marry her attacker?  

You believe the moon is it's own light source?

You believe the world is flat?

Why don't you stop with the semantics and name even one thing that the bible got right...  

[Vod]

It's in the way it is written. Read it yourself, and you will see.  

Pay attention.  I have read it.  I was brainwashed when I was younger - forced into church every week before I could think for myself.  Drilled the lies into my brain over and over.

I, like millions of others every year, are moving on from ignorance.

[BADecker]

Gradually, we are finding that there are written records of the things written in the Bible. Israel, the nation that was the "home" for the early Bible was destroyed, finally. It is the conqueror who writes the history.

No, we're not.  Like your priests, information is being moulded to fit into your brainwashing.  The only place the information is shared is in church with other brainwashed members.  Such information will eventually be peer reviewed and restricted to the realm of fairy tales.

The Egyptian "plagues" were cause by a long drought.  The Egyptians eventually let their slaves go because they couldn't be fed.  Nothing to do with your imaginary god.

Now it is you who is "fairytaling." 

[Vod]

Now it is you who is "fairytaling."  

Read scientific journals.  Then you will see.  Peer review is how we know scientific fact is fact and not just bible talk.
 
 

[BADecker]

Again, you don't know that what yo are writing here is fact.  

Again, I do.  I can prove the scientific theories in my own home anytime.  That's how science works.  

If you are getting all your information from the bible (because there is no other information available) then you don't know what you are writing is fact.  So stop passing it off as fact and promoting ignorance.  

That's what I have been saying about scientific theories all along!. They can be proven to be theories. In addition many of the theories can be proven to be talk only, and not theories at all.

[Vod]

That's what I have been saying about scientific theories all along!. They can be proven to be theories. In addition many of the theories can be proven to be talk only, and not theories at all.

How many times do I have to let go of a ball and see it drop to the floor before you believe in gravity?

Or do you need your priest to do it for you? 

 

[BADecker]

You play with semantics. I doubt that there is any bible person who thinks that the moon is light.

Well, I hope that even with the weekly brainwashing, most cult members manage to talk to enough normal people to realize it's reflected light - not it's own source.

My point is - back when the bible was written - everyone believed the moon was it's own light source.

How can you believe anything that is written in such a book?  Answer:  You usually don't unless you are forced through repeated church visits.

The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it. The choice of not believing it is a choice only.

[Vod]

The Bible was written for everyone. In order to make it understandable, it had to be written in a way that was for the people who would read it.

Again, how do you know?  Your priest told you. I think it was written by stoned people who couldn't figure out what they were experiencing, so they gave it their best effort.

It obviously was not written with today's knowledge, so it shouldn't be used to make today's decisions.

 

[BADecker]

Now it is you who is "fairytaling."  

Read scientific journals.  Then you will see.  Peer review is how we know scientific fact is fact and not just bible talk.
 
 

I agree that some scientific review is fact. But much of it has been built of previous "IF" ideas.

[Vod]

The choice of not believing it is a choice only.

Ah, so all the threats of an infinite life of constant torture don't play into it.  

You really think you'd have 1% of your numbers if people weren't threatened into believing?

It's not a choice.  It's blackmail.