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December 29, 2014, 01:41:57 AM
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If anyone want's I'll be happy to split a room in Philly during the trial portion of this lawsuit, we can have cheese steaks and laugh over their demise. This is the frist time I expect to see zipkin back in US. It's also good we have him and "Jim Brown" as named defendants, because if it's proven they commingled business and personal funds we're going to take everything they own.

I'd be very surprised to see Josh show up in court. He's got the cash from not sending people miners. He'll just pay his lawyers to sit in court for him.

I'm hoping the court can compel him to attend.

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December 30, 2014, 06:25:57 PM
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These 1T miners he sent make about $20 a month after electricity. Pretty much they are just bricks now. I hope the judge awards everyone the $6000 + all the BTC income we lost, plus pain and suffering Smiley

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December 31, 2014, 03:08:36 PM
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Is the class dead because I added my orders to that? Who's got the details for lawyers working on the case?

It has not been certified as a class action yet. You can find all the relevant details at the docket:

http://ia600704.us.archive.org/31/items/gov.uscourts.paed.489513/gov.uscourts.paed.489513.docket.html

I know someone who's invested to tip it over 1M mark with signed contract, sharing with Craig...

i have waited a long time for that information and have never received it from your friend. he is looking out for his interests and his interests only. he could care less about the rest of us.

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December 31, 2014, 10:25:23 PM
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I have briefly mentioned to Clennell in previous emails about my situation with AMT, I have attempted to contact his lawyers regarding the class action and have not received a reply. I was hoping someone could inform me further as to what is going on. I am in Australia and purchased 2 1.2th units. I am not sure how to be classified as in this class action as i have not received word back from the lawyers and would appreciate it if someone who is in contact with them could confirm some things.
 I understand it is not anyones responsability bar my own but being out of the states i do not know how to proceed.

Thank you.
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I have briefly mentioned to Clennell in previous emails about my situation with AMT, I have attempted to contact his lawyers regarding the class action and have not received a reply. I was hoping someone could inform me further as to what is going on. I am in Australia and purchased 2 1.2th units. I am not sure how to be classified as in this class action as i have not received word back from the lawyers and would appreciate it if someone who is in contact with them could confirm some things.
 I understand it is not anyones responsability bar my own but being out of the states i do not know how to proceed.

Thank you.

Contact some legal representation in Australia. Unfortunately with class actions if you are not the lead plaintiff here, you won't get anything in your case. This goes for anyone international. It will be necessary what consumer protections your nation has to cover you, since they chose to sell to international clients they are subject to international law. All said if you have email headers or bitcoin addresses you paid AMT to or any other information you can send me, I can use it to build a small report for you to take to your lawyer to be used as evidence.

EDIT: To clarify class members would apply primarily to US residents in this case. I could be wrong but based on the information I have affected US residents would be considered part of the class.

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January 06, 2015, 08:36:17 PM
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Is the class dead because I added my orders to that? Who's got the details for lawyers working on the case?

It has not been certified as a class action yet. You can find all the relevant details at the docket:

http://ia600704.us.archive.org/31/items/gov.uscourts.paed.489513/gov.uscourts.paed.489513.docket.html

I know someone who's invested to tip it over 1M mark with signed contract, sharing with Craig...

i have waited a long time for that information and have never received it from your friend. he is looking out for his interests and his interests only. he could care less about the rest of us.

I'll see if I can get him to forward it...
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January 06, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
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We want to assure everyone that we are putting together a compensation program that will go live on December 15th, 2014 or sooner.


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January 06, 2015, 10:33:36 PM
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We want to assure everyone that we are putting together a compensation program that will go live on December 15th, 2014 or sooner.



And of course we all now how upstanding and honest AMT has been......so this announcement falling through is an astounding shock. /s

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January 09, 2015, 05:15:25 AM
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It's been almost a month since Dec 15th... has anyone seen hide or hair of this vaunted "compensation"? Is this just more crap, more smoke-screen? I know what I think, at least.

These f0ck3rs owe me almost six grand... and I was like order 1600 or so... the amount of money they owe must be stupendous, which is another reason why I think I'm just screwed. Why is it so hard to get anything done about this? What do I do from here? Just keep sitting on my thumb?

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User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
MrTeal 13: -0 / +9(9)   2014-08-19   0.00000000   Reference   Refuses to fulfill legitimate auction wins.
crashoveride54902 7: -0 / +4(4)   2014-08-09   0.00000000   Reference   Scam Company is scamming, you have been warned...offer paypal, take away paypal and wants btc up front...fail at auctions...just generally bad all around...PM me if you think this is unfair
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User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
clenell 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-10-08   17.00000000      ordered miner from AMT and they never delivered. they will not issue mea refund or even talk.
Waiting since 1/4/14 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-17   0.00000000      I ordered two 1.2 th miners in January 2014, I have not received them. AMT is selling new miners to others without fulfilling the agreement with me! This agreement was made 8 months AGO!!!!!!!!

I gave them $12,000.00 and they do not return my calls or emails!!!!

This has been the worst experience I have ever delt with!!

AMT took my money!!!!!!!!!
athgaurd 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-15   8.00000000      Waiting for almost a year for them to deliver miner
athgaurd 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-15   8.00000000      Waiting for almost a year for them to deliver miner
bobsag3 10: -1 / +7(7)   2014-09-08   0.00000000      Lying in leaked skype Chats about Black Arrow and technobit dealings.
opieum2 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-09-06   0.00000000      In retaliation for ANY bad information posted my personal details on the forum and FALSELEY claimed I did classified work for the government painting a VERY big target on mine and my familes back. AND on top of it encouraged people to visit me if they "have a problem with him"
asprin 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-28   0.00000000   Reference   Paid $6,000 for miner, shipped 8 months after order when the miner now costs $1,500 and REFUSED a refund.
opieum2 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-25   0.00000000   Reference   Months to fulfill order placed in February. And as a result devaluation of order resulted in getting hardware that was outdated by delivery time (late August).

In addition documented leaked chats that directly contradict public statments made by AMT. No intention of fulfilling the MPP with statements by Josh Zipkin such as "Fuck the MPP"

Constant lies and deceptions with constant excuses with no validation of such. Stay away from AMT. And anything associated with Joshua Zipkin.
avaughan4 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-25   28.00000000   Reference   Has not fulfilled order since 11/6/2013 and refuses to answer questions on public forum or email. DO NOT BUY FROM AMT! THEY OFFER NO SUPPORT AND YOU WILL RECEIVE AN INFERIOR PRODUCT WHEN THEY DELIVER A YEAR LATER!
sirminesalot 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-21   6.00000000   Reference   Unfullfiled order worth $6000 - now miners are being sent out, but they are work 1/5th of the original price.

AMT has no plans to fulfill MPP promised at time of purchase.

Scam Company - Wild cash grab from the start.
AMT_minerLESS 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-20   0.00000000   Reference   AMT/Josh Zipkin Has lied to customers many times.
Look to various posts on the matter. Older unmoderated thread contains alot of the original infos on missed shipping, damaged hardware and lies told. AMT User thread is user managed, current info can be checked there. Use EXTREME CAUTION!
rik_khaos 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-20   6.79127358      AMT originally promised an American build, moved operations over to china.

AMT_miners has constantly and knowingly lied about dates that miners would be shipped with the intent to deceive the purchaser. This includes the dates prominently advertised on the homepage of the AMT website www.advanceminers.com

AMT has refused to supply tracking numbers to clients.

I was once sent a "kit" at one point that had hashing boards that failed to initialize, and chips that burned out due to poor thermal design.

They have repeatedly refused to give refunds that they are legally obligated to process under the FTC regulation.

I as well as others have made formal complaints to the FTC and other consumer protection agencies.

AMT has ignored the laws of the country in which it was founded in and maintains its headquarters in.

Upon receiving my miner on 8/19/2014 I discovered my unit shipped without the Power Supply Unit that was included in the product description and purchase price.

When I unboxed my miner I was greeted with rusty scrap metal with sharp edges that could have injured me had I opened the box another way.

My hardware has depreciated by an amount greater than $4100 dollars between time of order until the time of my receipt, not including missing parts, which effectively bring its value down to zero dollars as the missing power supply is required to use the unit.

AMT advertises a Miner Protection Program on their website located at https://advancedminers.com/miner-protection-plan/ . This program guarantees in no uncertain terms that, “If the networks increases to a point where your investment in our technology is no longer profitable, AMT will upgrade your Miner to the next level Miner absolutely free.”; “When the buyer’s miner is ready to be shipped, we will give that buyer the option of shipping the original miner which they purchased, or to upgrade to the next AMT miner which will allow them to meet ROI and more.”; “We will contact each buyer either by telephone or email with this option at the time of shipment.”; and “If the network increases so much that the next level miner also can’t meet ROI, the product upgrade will continue to the next AMT product which is profitable. Therefore, no matter what happens, our clientele will be left a ROI either way.”

To this date AMT denies to detail plans for compensation under the Miner Protection Plan. AMT often outright deletes posts when asked directly about the plan, or instructs the poster to contact their sales e-mail, sales@AdvancedMiners.com. When the poster contacts the provided e-mail for further communication AMT does not return a response.

The risked BTC is a conversion from fiat (USD) using highest price of bitcoin for the date of purchase.
Chazaki 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-20   13.00000000      Stole $13k from me as well as hundreds of thousands from others. No refunds. Trade with EXTREME caution
Dans 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-19   85.00000000   Reference   Pre-ordered miners back in February with a guarantee that hardware was working in the lab and would ship within a few weeks. Re-confirmed this several times before paying. Once i paid they went silent and now refuse to give a refund.
Bicknellski 3: -0 / +4(4)   2014-08-16   0.00000000   Reference   Thumbs down. Do not buy from this company.
ar9 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-14   0.00000000      Scam company, steer clear if you don't like giving your money away.
iglasses 0: -0 / +1(1)   2014-08-13   0.00000000      Tries to run another scam in the marketplace and eventually deletes all replies and closes thread.
This is nothing but a scam
braindead 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-13   4.00000000   Reference   False auction, didn´t accept escrow services, changes delivery charges etc etc

Waste of time
klondike_bar 3: -0 / +3(3)   2014-08-09   3.94000000   Reference   first they insulted my escrow provider, who has a fantastic reputation
then the shipping costs tripled
then they offered to host my equipment (ie: no escrow)


as far as im concerned this is a total scam. I gave AMT the benefit of the doubt and they shat all over everything.
captin crunch 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-06   32.00000000      I gave AMT nearly $18,000 in November 2013 for 3 miners to be delivered late December '13 to early January '14. I have been told repeatedly over the last 6 months that the equipment would ship by the end of the week.
July 14 AMT claimed to have shipped the 1st half of their backlog which I am clearly in. (currently valued at $4500)
They claimed the delivery process took 3 to 4 days but would not issue tracking numbers to its ustomers. 20 days later, still no mining equipment.
This is absolutely, hands down, the worst company I have ever dealt with in my entire life. The people who run the company are pathological liars and the proof is in their thread.
If you value your money and time I seriously recommend looking for another company to do business with.
subseaguru 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-08-05   0.00000000   Reference   AMT_miners advertised they are selling items and using paypal as payment along with BTC and escrow, they decided to change the payments and not tell anyone. this is the 3rd time that AMT has done this. they claim they accept a payment type then change their minds when it suits them.
x8008 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-08-03   2.00000000      Scam company
clenell 0: -0 / +0(0)   2014-04-03   11.90000000      I purchased a bitcoin miner from this man on Nov. 11, 2013. I have received nothing as of 4/3/14. He will not issue me a refund and he will not return emails or phone calls. I am order #610 - a 1.2TH machine. I can send you an invoice and bank transfer if it's proof you need.



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      <div style="margin-bottom: 2px;"><a name="top"></a><div class="nav" style="font-size: smaller; margin-bottom: 2ex; margin-top: 2ex;"><b><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php" class="nav">Bitcoin Forum</a></b>&nbsp;>&nbsp;<b><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust" class="nav">Trust</a></b></div></div><h3>Trust summary for AMT_miners</h3><p><a href="#newfeedback">Post new feedback</a> | <a href="index.php?action=trust">Trust settings</a></p><p><i>Risked BTC amount</i> is money that the person <i>could have</i> stolen or did steal. For example, if you do a currency trade where the other person sends first, your feedback for them would have 0 risked BTC and their feedback for you would have risked BTC equal to the BTC value of the trade.</p><h5>Trusted feedback</h5><div class="tborder"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" class="bordercolor"><tr><td class="catbg3">User</td><td class="catbg3">Date</td><td class="catbg3">Risked BTC amount</td><td class="catbg3">Reference</td><td class="catbg3">Comments</td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52355">MrTeal</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#008000"><b>13</b>: -0 / +9(9)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-19</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Refuses to fulfill legitimate auction wins. <!-- 48038 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=75607">crashoveride54902</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#008000"><b>7</b>: -0 / +4(4)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-09</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.msg8261031#msg8261031">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Scam Company is scamming, you have been warned...offer paypal, take away paypal and wants btc up front...fail at auctions...just generally bad all around...PM me if you think this is unfair <!-- 46587 --> </td></tr></table></div><h5>Untrusted feedback</h5><p>These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.</p><p><a href="#" onclick="show();return false;" id="hidelink"></a></p><div id="untrusted"><div class="tborder"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" class="bordercolor"><tr><td class="catbg3">User</td><td class="catbg3">Date</td><td class="catbg3">Risked BTC amount</td><td class="catbg3">Reference</td><td class="catbg3">Comments</td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169517">clenell</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-10-08</td><td class="windowbg">17.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">ordered miner from AMT and they never delivered. they will not issue mea refund or even talk. <!-- 54176 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355105">Waiting since 1/4/14</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-09-17</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">I ordered two 1.2 th miners in January 2014, I have not received them. AMT is selling new miners to others without fulfilling the agreement with me! This agreement was made 8 months AGO!!!!!!!!
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<br />I gave them $12,000.00 and they do not return my calls or emails!!!!
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<br />This has been the worst experience I have ever delt with!!
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<br />AMT took my money!!!!!!!!! <!-- 51781 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247037">athgaurd</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-09-15</td><td class="windowbg">8.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Waiting for almost a year for them to deliver miner <!-- 51542 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247037">athgaurd</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-09-15</td><td class="windowbg">8.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Waiting for almost a year for them to deliver miner <!-- 51541 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=144143">bobsag3</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#008000"><b>10</b>: -<b><i style="color:orange">1</i></b> / +7(7)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-09-08</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Lying in leaked skype Chats about Black Arrow and technobit dealings. <!-- 50597 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=258992">opieum2</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-09-06</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">In retaliation for ANY bad information posted my personal details on the forum and FALSELEY claimed I did classified work for the government painting a VERY big target on mine and my familes back. AND on top of it encouraged people to visit me if they &quot;have a problem with him&quot; <!-- 50317 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61278">asprin</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-28</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584891.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Paid $6,000 for miner, shipped 8 months after order when the miner now costs $1,500 and REFUSED a refund. <!-- 49210 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=258992">opieum2</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-25</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584891.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Months to fulfill order placed in February. And as a result devaluation of order resulted in getting hardware that was outdated by delivery time (late August).
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<br />In addition documented leaked chats that directly contradict public statments made by AMT. No intention of fulfilling the MPP with statements by Josh Zipkin such as &quot;Fuck the MPP&quot;
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<br />Constant lies and deceptions with constant excuses with no validation of such. Stay away from AMT. And anything associated with Joshua Zipkin. <!-- 48819 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166777">avaughan4</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-25</td><td class="windowbg">28.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569769.3140">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Has not fulfilled order since 11/6/2013 and refuses to answer questions on public forum or email. DO NOT BUY FROM AMT! THEY OFFER NO SUPPORT AND YOU WILL RECEIVE AN INFERIOR PRODUCT WHEN THEY DELIVER A YEAR LATER! <!-- 48796 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=240082">sirminesalot</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-21</td><td class="windowbg">6.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://advancedminers.com/">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Unfullfiled order worth $6000 - now miners are being sent out, but they are work 1/5th of the original price.
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<br />AMT has no plans to fulfill MPP promised at time of purchase.
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<br />Scam Company - Wild cash grab from the start. <!-- 48393 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366280">AMT_minerLESS</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-20</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584891.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">AMT/Josh Zipkin Has lied to customers many times.
<br />Look to various posts on the matter. Older unmoderated thread contains alot of the original infos on missed shipping, damaged hardware and lies told. AMT User thread is user managed, current info can be checked there. Use EXTREME CAUTION! <!-- 48223 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247530">rik_khaos</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-20</td><td class="windowbg">6.79127358</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">AMT originally promised an American build, moved operations over to china.
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<br />AMT_miners has constantly and knowingly lied about dates that miners would be shipped with the intent to deceive the purchaser.  This includes the dates prominently advertised on the homepage of the AMT website www.advanceminers.com
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<br />AMT has refused to supply tracking numbers to clients.
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<br />I was once sent a &quot;kit&quot; at one point that had hashing boards that failed to initialize, and chips that burned out due to poor thermal design.
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<br />They have repeatedly refused to give refunds that they are legally obligated to process under the FTC regulation.
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<br />I as well as others have made formal complaints to the FTC and other consumer protection agencies.
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<br />AMT has ignored the laws of the country in which it was founded in and maintains its headquarters in.
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<br />Upon receiving my miner on 8/19/2014 I discovered my unit shipped without the Power Supply Unit that was included in the product description and purchase price.
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<br />When I unboxed my miner I was greeted with rusty scrap metal with sharp edges that could have injured me had I opened the box another way.
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<br />My hardware has depreciated by an amount greater than $4100 dollars between time of order until the time of my receipt, not including missing parts, which effectively bring its value down to zero dollars as the missing power supply is required to use the unit.
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<br />AMT advertises a Miner Protection Program on their website located at https://advancedminers.com/miner-protection-plan/ . This program guarantees in no uncertain terms that, “If the networks increases to a point where your investment in our technology is no longer profitable, AMT will upgrade your Miner to the next level Miner absolutely free.”; “When the buyer’s miner is ready to be shipped, we will give that buyer the option of shipping the original miner which they purchased, or to upgrade to the next AMT miner which will allow them to meet ROI and more.”; “We will contact each buyer either by telephone or email with this option at the time of shipment.”; and “If the network increases so much that the next level miner also can’t meet ROI, the product upgrade will continue to the next AMT product which is profitable. Therefore, no matter what happens, our clientele will be left a ROI either way.”
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<br />To this date AMT denies to detail plans for compensation under the Miner Protection Plan. AMT often outright deletes posts when asked directly about the plan, or instructs the poster to contact their sales e-mail, sales@AdvancedMiners.com. When the poster contacts the provided e-mail for further communication AMT does not return a response.
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<br />The risked BTC is a conversion from fiat (USD) using highest price of bitcoin for the date of purchase. <!-- 48163 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137483">Chazaki</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-20</td><td class="windowbg">13.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Stole $13k from me as well as hundreds of thousands from others. No refunds. Trade with EXTREME caution <!-- 48104 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=323768">Dans</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-19</td><td class="windowbg">85.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://advancedminers.com/">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Pre-ordered miners back in February with a guarantee that hardware was working in the lab and would ship within a few weeks.   Re-confirmed this several times before paying.  Once i paid they went silent and now refuse to give a refund. <!-- 48091 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76550">Bicknellski</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#74C365"><b>3</b>: -0 / +4(4)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-16</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.msg8373512#msg8373512">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Thumbs down. Do not buy from this company. <!-- 47499 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85475">ar9</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-14</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Scam company, steer clear if you don't like giving your money away. <!-- 47312 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=188442">iglasses</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +1(1)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-13</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Tries to run another scam in the marketplace and eventually deletes all replies and closes thread.
<br />This is nothing but a scam <!-- 47086 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55245">braindead</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-13</td><td class="windowbg">4.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">False auction, didn´t accept escrow services, changes delivery charges etc etc
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<br />Waste of time <!-- 47035 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76725">klondike_bar</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#74C365"><b>3</b>: -0 / +3(3)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-09</td><td class="windowbg">3.94000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723233.0">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">first they insulted my escrow provider, who has a fantastic reputation
<br />then the shipping costs tripled
<br />then they offered to host my equipment (ie: no escrow)
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<br />as far as im concerned this is a total scam. I gave AMT the benefit of the doubt and they shat all over everything. <!-- 46533 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=224597">captin crunch</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-06</td><td class="windowbg">32.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">I gave AMT nearly $18,000 in November 2013 for 3 miners to be delivered late December '13 to early January '14. I have been told repeatedly over the last 6 months that the equipment would ship by the end of the week.
<br />July 14 AMT claimed to have shipped the 1st half of their backlog which I am clearly in. (currently valued at $4500)
<br />They claimed the delivery process took 3 to 4 days but would not issue tracking numbers to its ustomers. 20 days later, still no mining equipment.
<br />This is absolutely, hands down, the worst company I have ever dealt with in my entire life. The people who run the company are pathological liars and the proof is in their thread.
<br />If you value your money and time I seriously recommend looking for another company to do business with. <!-- 46097 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152339">subseaguru</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-05</td><td class="windowbg">0.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721975.new#new">Reference</a></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">AMT_miners advertised they are selling items and using paypal as payment along with BTC and escrow, they decided to change the payments and not tell anyone. this is the 3rd time that AMT has done this. they claim they accept a payment type then change their minds when it suits them. <!-- 45937 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=321753">x8008</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:#DC143C"><b>-4</b>: -<b><i style="color:orange">1</i></b> / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-08-03</td><td class="windowbg">2.00000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">Scam company <!-- 45776 --> </td></tr><tr><td class="windowbg"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169517">clenell</a> <span class="trustscore" style="color:black"><b>0</b>: -0 / +0(0)</span></td><td class="windowbg">2014-04-03</td><td class="windowbg">11.90000000</td><td class="windowbg"></td><td class="windowbg" style="color:red;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">I purchased a bitcoin miner from this man on Nov. 11, 2013. I have received nothing as of 4/3/14. He will not issue me a refund and he will not return emails or phone calls. I am order #610 - a 1.2TH machine. I can send you an invoice and bank transfer if it's proof you need. <!-- 30842 --> </td></tr></table></div></div><h5>Sent feedback</h5><p>No feedback.</p><h5>New feedback</h5><a name="newfeedback"></a>
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March 08, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
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http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=4a8e257b0f&e=99aeaaff12

butterfly lab start refund now.where is my money AMT?

Cash Refunds Initiated; Refund Priority Temporarily Modified
 
Payment of bitcoin refunds continues and we have also started paying out cash refunds, but we are making a temporary change in our refund policy. In order to get refunds to the maximum number of people in the shortest time possible, we have made the decision to refund all orders less than $1,000 at the front of the refund queue. Once they are complete (estimated to be within the month of March), we will resume making refunds in the order they were received.

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AMT order #645 and #962, where is my refund?
totally amount is US(645#for $ 5155+#962 for $6089)= US$11244
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March 08, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
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We are well past the time where they claimed to be refunding us. As always and expected, "Joshua Zipkin" and "Tyler Lummis" aka "Jim Brown" have again welshed....clearly fraudulently leading us on while they planned their exit. Josh is in Bulgaria while "Jim Brown" is somewhere else unknown at this time.

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May 28, 2015, 04:00:20 AM
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Josh just can't stay out of the news can he?

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May 28, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
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Josh just can't stay out of the news can he?

Funny. Some people don't think it is newsworthy. I wonder why?

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AMT future plan. Never be heard from again. They sure don't seem to want to respond to the courts.

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October 26, 2015, 04:11:05 PM
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anyupdate on this? how do you refund me.

BTC: 1KS9rRw6uv7mptjEVhBHYMtGKK2QfWVju4
AMT order #645 and #962, where is my refund?
totally amount is US(645#for $ 5155+#962 for $6089)= US$11244
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AMT miner,

any update on refund,please refund my money

you can not just keep quiet or hiding.

BTC: 1KS9rRw6uv7mptjEVhBHYMtGKK2QfWVju4
AMT order #645 and #962, where is my refund?
totally amount is US(645#for $ 5155+#962 for $6089)= US$11244
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October 23, 2017, 03:25:51 AM
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AMT miner,
any update on refund,please refund my money
you can not just keep quiet or hiding.

My feelings on the matter... Happy Halloween Josh

May he someday face those he stole from.
That said, yes I was one of the few that *did* eventually get a working miner. Ran for almost 2 years before retiring it. Far too many others though -- nada.

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