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May 27, 2012, 04:31:40 AM
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My thoughts? Paper is far too fragile. Please encode it in a set of these: http://delkin.com/c-155602-archive-archival-gold-cd-r.html

Then let us know where you're keeping it in case we need it.
If that business isn't here in 300 years can we sue?

and what about laminating the paper and locking it in a (large) safe? wouldn't that last longer then digital data that is susceptible to EMI?

what about sending it out to space as radio-waves and once we can travel faster than light, go ahead of it and record.

Or just wait here and re-record it in 47 years when it bounces off that... *whatever* sending our signals back....

http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm

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May 27, 2012, 06:24:43 AM
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Or just wait here and re-record it in 47 years when it bounces off that... *whatever* sending our signals back....

http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm

haha, awesome. so all we need to do is broadcast the blockchain (and new blocks) via radio, prefferrably using that vhf band?

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May 27, 2012, 09:01:58 AM
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Or just wait here and re-record it in 47 years when it bounces off that... *whatever* sending our signals back....

http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm

haha, awesome. so all we need to do is broadcast the blockchain (and new blocks) via radio, prefferrably using that vhf band?

Yep. Earthlings now have a near-foolproof way to send messages to their planet 47 years into the future. Great for "boomerang backups", leaving behind informational time capsules, or just confusing the heck out of your descendents with fake news broadcasts.

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May 27, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
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hehe I'm glad I made this thread..... Interesting backup ideas....
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May 27, 2012, 10:52:50 AM
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Or just wait here and re-record it in 47 years when it bounces off that... *whatever* sending our signals back....

http://www.rimmell.com/bbc/news.htm

I hope everyone noticed the date on that link.  Smiley

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May 27, 2012, 11:28:54 AM
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hehe I'm glad I made this thread.....

glad you did too.. that radio wave reflector has bounced back lost episodes of dr who. nice Smiley

so. now we need to make a commercial with the block chain embedded into it and broadcast it. promotes and preserves bitcoin at the same time.
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May 27, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
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hehe I'm glad I made this thread.....

glad you did too.. that radio wave reflector has bounced back lost episodes of dr who. nice Smiley

so. now we need to make a commercial with the block chain embedded into it and broadcast it. promotes and preserves bitcoin at the same time.

 FFS, dude, that was an april fools hoax... Roll Eyes

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May 27, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
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May 27, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.

This team at Stanford have encoded a single bit into DNA that is inherited by the bacteria's descendants:

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-totally-rad-scientists-rewritable-digital.html

Ok, one bit does not a blockchain make but they hope to be able to store a whole byte in another decade.

Let's make a GMO llama with the blockchain in his DNA! And, can we name him Satoshi? Please!

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May 27, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
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Let's make a GMO llama with the blockchain in his DNA! And, can we name him Satoshi? Please!
Sounds like somebody's got an IPO in their future.

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May 27, 2012, 06:04:29 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards
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May 27, 2012, 06:09:13 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

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May 27, 2012, 06:14:13 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way if anything breaks the seal of the cage its considered suspetible to EMI
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May 27, 2012, 06:29:10 PM
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Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

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In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

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A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

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Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.
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May 27, 2012, 07:08:47 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.

This team at Stanford have encoded a single bit into DNA that is inherited by the bacteria's descendants:

http://phys.org/news/2012-05-totally-rad-scientists-rewritable-digital.html

Ok, one bit does not a blockchain make but they hope to be able to store a whole byte in another decade.

Let's make a GMO llama with the blockchain in his DNA! And, can we name him Satoshi? Please!

wouldn't it have to be an aplaca?


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May 27, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
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Just to clarify this is a seriously joking thread.... I'm very curious as to What happens if there is mass solar flare that wipes out the data of every computer? Who cares about the banks(hehe) right? What about Meh Bitcoinz!? So we should find some ways to back it up (that are practical) in the event this happens. Keep on throwing out crazy idears!
But if you think about it, anything that bad would be the end of civilization. Bitcoins, dollars, gold,... anything but food will be useless.


Why would you think that? AFAIK there would only be an affect on electronic/magnetic sensitive devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare#Hazards
I was assuming that atomic EMPs wipe out most of the worlds electronics. That would likely destroy the Internet for at least years, maybe forever. I guess in the example of a solar flare it would just be an interruption though.

And @molecular..
Damn! I did mean alpaca! Or most correctly an Alblocka.

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May 28, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
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Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

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In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

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A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

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Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.
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May 28, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
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Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

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In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

Quote
A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

Quote
Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.

I misunderstood your original quote Tongue

You said Faraday cages only work if they are self powered, and I took that literally, as in the Faraday cage had to be self powered. But you were talking about computers running bitcoin Smiley
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May 28, 2012, 12:42:10 AM
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Faraday cages only work if they are self powered in some way...

I meant why would civilization end if only eletronic/magnetic affected devices were destroyed?

But your statement doesn't seem accurate either. A faraday cage appears to work based on conductive material.

From your wikipedia link:

Quote
In modern cleanroom packaging outer layers of static-dissipative polyester and polyethylene are wrapped around an inner layer of aluminum to create Faraday cages to protect static sensitive components such as PC Boards that travel long distances between manufacture and assembly.[3]

Quote
A booster bag (shopping bag lined with aluminum foil) acts as a Faraday cage. It is often used by shoplifters to steal RFID-tagged items

Quote
Some linemen wear Faraday suits, which allow them to work on live, high voltage power lines without risk of electrocution. The suit prevents electrical current from flowing through the body, and has no theoretical voltage limit. Linemen have successfully worked even the highest voltage (Kazakhstan's Ekibastuz–Kokshetau line 1150 kV) lines safely.

I could be wrong but i was under the impression a farday cage only works when completly sealed so the guy working on electrical wire sounds pluaseable however you must power the computer backups which must break out of the cage to run an electrical power to computer wallet backups. As intense emi can follow the power lines.

I misunderstood your original quote Tongue

You said Faraday cages only work if they are self powered, and I took that literally, as in the Faraday cage had to be self powered. But you were talking about computers running bitcoin Smiley

Lol i did kind of write it wierd now that i look back at it. I was kind of suggesting solar power but i dont know enough about how farday cages work well enough to see how that would work.
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May 28, 2012, 02:49:02 AM
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Lol i did kind of write it wierd now that i look back at it. I was kind of suggesting solar power but i dont know enough about how farday cages work well enough to see how that would work.
A Faraday cage or screen works by becoming the conductor of least resistance and spreading the charge around the cage/screen. The reason someone working with high tension wires needs one is because the voltage is so high that the air absorbs some of the charge, and a person contacting it would find themselves turned into a large current sink.

It would be unhealthy because the parts of the body that aren't on contact with the high tension wire would instead be in contact with the air, and the current flowing through the body from the wire to the air would be uncomfortable, at best. The Faraday cage/screen (in this example, a wire mesh suit) acts as a large antenna, conducting the residual and capacitive charges safely into the air bypassing the body because the suit is a better conductor of electricity.

A standard cage works in much the same way; it must be connected to a ground plane so that it can draw off any charges that are emitted by external influences. This is all in the context of high voltage charges, but radio and electromagnetic charges can be taken care of by a similar arrangement - however, the ground plane requirement is eliminated because the screen acts as a reflector, not a conductor.

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