Arrested for feeding homeless people

[Grg]

Homo Sapiens - To retarded for their own best.

Im ashamed to be a human when contemplating about how we handle our species, our fellow species on earth, and earth itself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9gHuAwxwAs
(Edit; Start at 3 min blank.)


Tho, I rather enjoy observing our way of living.  

-Grg

I agree

logic dictates that we are are at the mercy of a minority that is looking after their own interests, they have the control.

is it you or I or the masses who is going to rise to power and change the way it works, no.

The ones that want power obtain power and in most cases for their own interest.

Not for a second should anyone trust the person next to them as their own interest will always come first.

Yes there are people doing good in the world but they usually do not want power.

Whatever social changes occur do so due to the benefit to the economy that drives the interest of the money lenders.

Do you think a motor car (one of the biggest money spinners in the economy) is always affordable even on low income for the benefit of the masses, no it is affordable to ensure that you get to work and contribute to the economy and continue to buy fuel.

Why is it a house for most people takes 30 years to pay off and has never decreased in affordability, it is to ensure that the interest is paid for as long as possible.

Other things keep getting cheaper but not the essentials (house, medical etc) to ensure the most profit to those that benefit.

BOOM!

I like your clairvoyance!


@MitMos, Love won't sort how humans behave on earth.
In this case Greed > Love. Every day in the week.

Sad but true story.

-Grg

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[TECSHARE]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

[leen93]

This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own.

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own?  What if they are just lazy, like dank?  If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

agreed

[CoinCidental]

This is really scary, they are basically saying you cannot help people that cannot survive on their own.

How do you know these people cannot survive on their own?  What if they are just lazy, like dank?  If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

agreed

If  they were all as bad as dank I would put them down like stray dogs......

[jaysabi]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

This is good news to me. I just wish the article would have cited the judge's reasoning for the temporary ban.

[deluxeCITY]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

[CoinCidental]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

If they want him to stop they have to put in some infrastructure that provides food   for the hungry and  homeless at the very least..... If not amenities as well

Murica turning into Africa?

[iCEBREAKER]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

If they want him to stop they have to put in some infrastructure that provides food   for the hungry and  homeless at the very least..... If not amenities as well

Murica turning into Africa?

That infrastructure already exists in the form of soup kitchens, shelters, food banks, and other organized charities.

The old dude chose to ignore that infrastructure and the applicable food safety laws.

The Free Shit Army uses the homeless as a weapon to threaten the middle class, and so insists on feeding them without regard for time/place/manner regulations.

[CoinCidental]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

If they want him to stop they have to put in some infrastructure that provides food   for the hungry and  homeless at the very least..... If not amenities as well

Murica turning into Africa?

That infrastructure already exists in the form of soup kitchens, shelters, food banks, and other organized charities.

The old dude  choose to ignore that infrastructure and the applicable food safety laws.

The Free Shit Army uses the homeless as a weapon to threaten the middle class, and so insists on feeding them without regard for time/place/manner regulations.

Is he very wealthy or how can he afford to run this unlicensed charity?
Just slap him with a million dollar fine every week until he  is homeless as well and can join his friends in the park would be very easy solution to the problem for any forward thinking  judge 

No need to lock him up at all, just take all his assets and that's the end of it.......

[jaysabi]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/03/after-90-year-old-is-arrested-florida-judge-halts-law-that-restricts-feeding-the-homeless/

The law has been stayed while both sides "mediate."

[malaimult]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

If they want him to stop they have to put in some infrastructure that provides food   for the hungry and  homeless at the very least..... If not amenities as well

Murica turning into Africa?

That infrastructure already exists in the form of soup kitchens, shelters, food banks, and other organized charities.

The old dude chose to ignore that infrastructure and the applicable food safety laws.

The Free Shit Army uses the homeless as a weapon to threaten the middle class, and so insists on feeding them without regard for time/place/manner regulations.

The food safety laws is the whole point of the arrests. Although the homeless and hungry likely could care less about the food they are being served being prepared in a sanitary manor, the public should care as they are the ones who will end up paying for healthcare in the event that a homeless person ends up sick because of what they ate 

[CoinCidental]

http://www.local10.com/news/judge-issues-temporary-ban-on-feeding-homeless-arrests-in-fort-lauderdale/30017354

I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. On one hand the numerous arrests have clearly not deterred this person from sharing/giving away his food to the homeless, however on the other hand it does disregard the rule of law as what he is doing is clearly against the law

If they want him to stop they have to put in some infrastructure that provides food   for the hungry and  homeless at the very least..... If not amenities as well

Murica turning into Africa?

That infrastructure already exists in the form of soup kitchens, shelters, food banks, and other organized charities.

The old dude chose to ignore that infrastructure and the applicable food safety laws.

The Free Shit Army uses the homeless as a weapon to threaten the middle class, and so insists on feeding them without regard for time/place/manner regulations.

The food safety laws is the whole point of the arrests. Although the homeless and hungry likely could care less about the food they are being served being prepared in a sanitary manor, the public should care as they are the ones who will end up paying for healthcare in the event that a homeless person ends up sick because of what they ate 

ive seen homeless people eating from garbage cans ........im not sure thats the issue because they do plenty of other stuff that would could make them sick
and medical bills are not taken into consideration
maybe turning public property into a soup kitchen attrcting even more homeless to congregate there is part of the issue
and as already mentioned ,after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up

if there was adequate charity soup mkitchens in place ,why would they bother eating this guys food

is it so delicious they cant resist  or is there a shortfall in whats needed and whats actually available ?

[NewLiberty]

after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up

This is not likely the issue either.
If people eat, they shit, and someone (possibly themselves) clean up.
if people don't eat, they die, and someone (not themselves) clean up.

There are already public restrooms on that beach.

The violation is a food safety ordinance, go figure.  Without the city licence, the homeless would only be able to sue this 90 year old guy that has been feeding them for the last 25 years before the new ordinance.  If they suddenly got sick on his food (and not the stuff they pulled from the garbage) they wouldn't also be able to sue the city.
The city wants to also be responsible.
The license is easy to get, but it can also be denied.  This seems to be one of those "principle" disputes.  There aren't really any practical concerns, just a power struggle between a long time resident and his city.

[iCEBREAKER]

after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up

This is not likely the issue either.
If people eat, they shit, and someone (possibly themselves) clean up.
if people don't eat, they die, and someone (not themselves) clean up.

There are already public restrooms on that beach.

The violation is a food safety ordinance, go figure.  Without the city licence, the homeless would only be able to sue this 90 year old guy that has been feeding them for the last 25 years before the new ordinance.  If they suddenly got sick on his food (and not the stuff they pulled from the garbage) they wouldn't also be able to sue the city.
The city wants to also be responsible.
The license is easy to get, but it can also be denied.  This seems to be one of those "principle" disputes.  There aren't really any practical concerns, just a power struggle between a long time resident and his city.

Emergency rooms cannot deny anyone medical care, so the taxpayers are on the hook when indigents get food poisoning.

Because old people in Florida do not wish to spend their final Golden Years living among human excrement, they will have to pay to clean up the used food left in the park and surrounding lawns/streets/sidewalks.

The idea that the 90 y/o or his pet homeless are going to clean up their own mess is laughable, wishful/magical thinking.  The park/beach is intended for the enjoyment of the general population, not a helpless subset of addicts and crazies.  When Little Sally comes to visit Grandma and they go to the park she doesn't need to see a junkie, with a needle sticking out of his arm and rolling around in his own filth, taking up a stall in the public restroom.

The park/beach isn't the only place they can eat, so your deadly dilemma is completely false and only for cheap emotional effect.

As has been mentioned repeatedly, they are welcome to eat at appropriate venues with proper food handling, plumbing, etc.

When we arrive in Libertopia and all public property is privatized, these problems will disappear.  Until then we must accept the quasi-legitimacy of local communities acting in lieu of proper rational actors to prevent externalities, or else suffer the tragedy of the commons.

[NewLiberty]

after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up

This is not likely the issue either.
If people eat, they shit, and someone (possibly themselves) clean up.
if people don't eat, they die, and someone (not themselves) clean up.

There are already public restrooms on that beach.

The violation is a food safety ordinance, go figure.  Without the city licence, the homeless would only be able to sue this 90 year old guy that has been feeding them for the last 25 years before the new ordinance.  If they suddenly got sick on his food (and not the stuff they pulled from the garbage) they wouldn't also be able to sue the city.
The city wants to also be responsible.
The license is easy to get, but it can also be denied.  This seems to be one of those "principle" disputes.  There aren't really any practical concerns, just a power struggle between a long time resident and his city.

Emergency rooms cannot deny anyone medical care, so the taxpayers are on the hook when indigents get food poisoning.

Because old people in Florida do not wish to spend their final Golden Years living among human excrement, they will have to pay to clean up the used food left in the park and surrounding lawns/streets/sidewalks.

The idea that the 90 y/o or his pet homeless are going to clean up their own mess is laughable, wishful/magical thinking.  The park/beach is intended for the enjoyment of the general population, not a helpless subset of addicts and crazies.  When Little Sally comes to visit Grandma and they go to the park she doesn't need to see a junkie, with a needle sticking out of his arm and rolling around in his own filth, taking up a stall in the public restroom.

The park/beach isn't the only place they can eat, so your deadly dilemma is completely false and only for cheap emotional effect.

As has been mentioned repeatedly, they are welcome to eat at appropriate venues with proper food handling, plumbing, etc.

When we arrive in Libertopia and all public property is privatized, these problems will disappear.  Until then we must accept the quasi-legitimacy of local communities acting in lieu of proper rational actors to prevent externalities, or else suffer the tragedy of the commons.

Now I'm confused.  Is he supplying free heroin or free food?

Where your whole diatribe falls flat, is that he can get a license easily and cheaply to do exactly the same thing.  The mythical old people and sally aren't stopping him at all.  He just doesn't want to get the license because he doesn't believe that he has to since was doing this in that same place when the guy that invented the license was a toddler.

The "community" isn't against the activity.  There is no lack of plumbing or facilities.  The food handling is fine too.  What is missing is the license.

I suspect that he will learn that he has to either stop or get the license, but that nothing at all will change once he does.  No fewer people will shit or get sick, no externalities will change.  Just a license whose cost is far less than the expense to process it in this case.


Though I agree with your principles, those aren't the main inflection points in this conflict.  The city wants him distributing food there and then, but just wants to control and organize it.  For example, with licensing they can arrange for others to do so on other days when he isn't there.

[iCEBREAKER]

Now I'm confused.  Is he supplying free heroin or free food?

Where your whole diatribe falls flat, is that he can get a license easily and cheaply to do exactly the same thing.  The mythical old people and sally aren't stopping him at all.  He just doesn't want to get the license because he doesn't believe that he has to since was doing this in that same place when the guy that invented the license was a toddler.

The "community" isn't against the activity.  There is no lack of plumbing or facilities.  The food handling is fine too.  What is missing is the license.

I suspect that he will learn that he has to either stop or get the license, but that nothing at all will change once he does.  No fewer people will shit or get sick, no externalities will change.  Just a license whose cost is far less than the expense to process it in this case.


Though I agree with your principles, those aren't the main inflection points in this conflict.  The city wants him distributing food there and then, but just wants to control and organize it.  For example, with licensing they can arrange for others to do so on other days when he isn't there.

I'm glad to hear the park and neighborhood are willing and able to accommodate the charity.

The earlier consensus was that the functional purpose of the license was to control where/when feedings occur.

In this case maybe that's not a problem, but you don't get grandfathered in to safety regs.

"I've never had to register my car with any newfangled DMV before, why should I start now?"  -Grandpa Simpson

[cryptocoiner]

Why we just don't kill all the bums? =)

[NewLiberty]

Some public parks will let just anyone host their child's birthday party there and distribute food to kids (oh think of the children!), some of it might even be a cake with dangerous flaming things on top.
Other parks require signups, maybe in this part of Florida such a birthday party requires a license.
In some New York areas you can get arrested for serving a too-large soda, or just pouring any into a very large cup, even if you have such a license.

All these places can make up their own rules, and you can go to places that have rules that you like and avoid the ones you don't.
It is wrong to say they can't make such a rule.  It is not wrong to laugh at them for making it.
Chewing Gum and connecting to open WiFi is illegal in Singapore
Handling Salmon in a Suspicious way is illegal in UK
But gum chewers are welcome in London and strange salmon are OK in Singapore (so long as they don't chew gum).

There are also some grandfather clauses, and yes even for some auto safety regulations.  Possibly most famously, seat belt laws don't apply to old cars, (now about 50 year old cars are exempt, early 1960s before they were first required).
They possibly could have considered grandfathering this guy in, he is sort of an institution there, he has been doing it so long.

[malaimult]

after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up

This is not likely the issue either.
If people eat, they shit, and someone (possibly themselves) clean up.
if people don't eat, they die, and someone (not themselves) clean up.

There are already public restrooms on that beach.

The violation is a food safety ordinance, go figure.  Without the city licence, the homeless would only be able to sue this 90 year old guy that has been feeding them for the last 25 years before the new ordinance.  If they suddenly got sick on his food (and not the stuff they pulled from the garbage) they wouldn't also be able to sue the city.
The city wants to also be responsible.
The license is easy to get, but it can also be denied.  This seems to be one of those "principle" disputes.  There aren't really any practical concerns, just a power struggle between a long time resident and his city.

Emergency rooms cannot deny anyone medical care, so the taxpayers are on the hook when indigents get food poisoning.

Because old people in Florida do not wish to spend their final Golden Years living among human excrement, they will have to pay to clean up the used food left in the park and surrounding lawns/streets/sidewalks.

The idea that the 90 y/o or his pet homeless are going to clean up their own mess is laughable, wishful/magical thinking.  The park/beach is intended for the enjoyment of the general population, not a helpless subset of addicts and crazies.  When Little Sally comes to visit Grandma and they go to the park she doesn't need to see a junkie, with a needle sticking out of his arm and rolling around in his own filth, taking up a stall in the public restroom.

The park/beach isn't the only place they can eat, so your deadly dilemma is completely false and only for cheap emotional effect.

As has been mentioned repeatedly, they are welcome to eat at appropriate venues with proper food handling, plumbing, etc.

When we arrive in Libertopia and all public property is privatized, these problems will disappear.  Until then we must accept the quasi-legitimacy of local communities acting in lieu of proper rational actors to prevent externalities, or else suffer the tragedy of the commons.

Now I'm confused.  Is he supplying free heroin or free food?

Where your whole diatribe falls flat, is that he can get a license easily and cheaply to do exactly the same thing.  The mythical old people and sally aren't stopping him at all.  He just doesn't want to get the license because he doesn't believe that he has to since was doing this in that same place when the guy that invented the license was a toddler.

The "community" isn't against the activity.  There is no lack of plumbing or facilities.  The food handling is fine too.  What is missing is the license.

I suspect that he will learn that he has to either stop or get the license, but that nothing at all will change once he does.  No fewer people will shit or get sick, no externalities will change.  Just a license whose cost is far less than the expense to process it in this case.


Though I agree with your principles, those aren't the main inflection points in this conflict.  The city wants him distributing food there and then, but just wants to control and organize it.  For example, with licensing they can arrange for others to do so on other days when he isn't there.

If he gets a license then he will have had to receive some kind of instruction as to handle food properly/safely and would be subject to inspections (monitoring) by the local government agency responsible for monitoring food safety. If he does not have a license then such local government agency will not know to monitor him

[NewLiberty]

If he gets a license then he will have had to receive some kind of instruction as to handle food properly/safely and would be subject to inspections (monitoring) by the local government agency responsible for monitoring food safety. If he does not have a license then such local government agency will not know to monitor him

You probably didn't know this, and are just here to take snipe shots for mo gubberming, but his organization teaches those classes for food safety.
"In addition to feeding the homeless, Love Thy Neighbor operates a culinary training program that Abbott says has helped more than 400 people learn food service skills."

But yeah, more monitoring.  Maybe the "monitors" will learn something about food safety from the guy that was doing it for more than the last 20 years without incident.