The Michael Brown shooting , what really happened??

[jaysabi]

Mainstream story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/03/us/ferguson-faa-no-fly-zone/

Thank you. The real story here is the authorities were caught lying again, and that police were using force to suppress the media. This doesn't need to be spun into something it's not. It's already serious enough.

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[ScryptAsic]

There's actually no evidence on either side of what happened, but people are quite happy to jump to their own conclusions, the only thing we really have is eyewitness testimony and as Neil DeGrasse Tyson has said that's terrifying that our judicial system is operating on that. Basically, to sum up this whole thing, it's the word of an alive white police officer against a dead black kid who was the only one who really knew what happened.

There is evidence that the police officer was assaulted. There is evidence that brown was very close to the officer when he was shot. People have claimed that brown had his hands up when he was shot, however the forensic evidence evidence says otherwise.

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

[Lethn]

That's not evidence, that's assertions, I take it the people claiming they have evidence he was assaulted was from the police right? Evidence is indisputable and so far the only thing everyone is certain of is that shots were fired and both the police officer and the guy was in the same place where it happened.

[ScryptAsic]

That's not evidence, that's assertions, I take it the people claiming they have evidence he was assaulted was from the police right? Evidence is indisputable and so far the only thing everyone is certain of is that shots were fired and both the police officer and the guy was in the same place where it happened.

I would argue that evidence is not always going to be nu-disputable. In almost every crime, there is evidence that shows a person committed the crime and evidence that a person is innocent. If no evidence could ever be disputed then it would be impossible for a person to both be guilty and innocent at the same time.

I would agree that the evidence in this case is not rock solid however I would also say that the onlookers probably lied about what they saw as their relationship with the police is not good. There is also physical evidence (that is backed by science) that backs up the police officer's version of what happened

[Lethn]

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

[awesome31312]

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics

[Lethn]

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics

Yeah some ones are fucking obvious reminds me of another one I saw.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321904/-Ferguson-police-beat-a-man-and-then-charged-him-with-destruction-of-property-for-bloody-uniforms

Clearly though there's a LOT of cases of corruption in the Ferguson police force particularly so it was only a matter of time this made news.

[awesome31312]

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics

Yeah some ones are fucking obvious reminds me of another one I saw.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/15/1321904/-Ferguson-police-beat-a-man-and-then-charged-him-with-destruction-of-property-for-bloody-uniforms

Clearly though there's a LOT of cases of corruption in the Ferguson police force particularly so it was only a matter of time this made news.

Don't forget the pepper sprayed students!
The cop who pepper sprayed peaceful protesters sued for severe emotional trauma

[jaysabi]

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already.

[jaysabi]

That's the problem with criminal cases in general, it doesn't really pay attention to science unless there's DNA evidence and the defendant totally fucks up their version of what happened and ignores the laws of physics.

Speaking of ignoring the laws of physics

This is straight up garbage. I wonder how you can reach a conclusion without testing it, e.g. he shot himself while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but his hands were never tested for gunshot residue. It's even more inexcusable when the coroner discovers that he was shot in the chest while his hands were cuffed behind his back, but still supports the conclusion that he shot himself. If you wanted more evidence to back up what now seems like an impossible claim, you'd test the hands for residue. Every person who is killed by police or dies in police custody should be investigated by an external, independent agency, NOT the same police department. And where appropriate, cops should be charged and tried for their crimes.

[awesome31312]

More evasion of the laws of physics

Police say man with "no arms" and legs is "armed" and on the run

[Gumbork]

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already.

Much of the media have policies against buying news stories like this so the number of buyers is limited to tabloid like outlets. Plus there is the possibility that people like Sharpton and Obama have purchased all copies of the videos so they can be destroyed

[jaysabi]

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already.

Much of the media have policies against buying news stories like this so the number of buyers is limited to tabloid like outlets. Plus there is the possibility that people like Sharpton and Obama have purchased all copies of the videos so they can be destroyed

That's just not a credible concern.

[bitcon]

dont all police cars have dash cams?  that would surely be a good place to start.    or was the video deleted like those crashed IRS hard drives?


anyone see this South Carolina incident?   month or two ago cop shoots unarmed man: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux17aho5CSM

[awesome31312]

dont all police cars have dash cams?  that would surely be a good place to start.    or was the video deleted like those crashed IRS hard drives?


anyone see this South Carolina incident?   month or two ago cop shoots unarmed man: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux17aho5CSM

They can choose when to stop recording. How convenient.

[deluxeCITY]

There are a number of witnesses who say that brown was surrendering, however no video of this has turned up despite the likely-hood that a fight with a police officer would almost certainly be recorded by someone who would witness such a fight.

I agree with your first points, but this one... the fact that there's no video says nothing about the circumstances. If any conclusion were to be drawn from it, I would conclude that the only thing that means is there is no video. If someone had it, they would have sold it to a media organization for a pretty penny already.

Much of the media have policies against buying news stories like this so the number of buyers is limited to tabloid like outlets. Plus there is the possibility that people like Sharpton and Obama have purchased all copies of the videos so they can be destroyed

That's just not a credible concern.

I would disagree. Both Obama and Al Sharpton are racists who like to use the race card in order to further their liberal agenda. I don't think it would be out of the question for them to have purchased a video of Brown not having his hands up when he was shot.