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June 04, 2012, 02:17:00 PM
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UPDATE:
Locking and saving this thread for the history books.
New thread for the website is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90192


MtGox's cash crunch got you in a bind?  Your worked hard for those coins; stop accepting delays. We will buy your coins and pay you cash today.  If we can't we will give you a 110% refund (see guarantee below).  It is that simple.

How does it work?
We have an open offer to buy your coins (subject to funds availability) at the current "buy price" shown below and will pay you today via Paypal, Dwolla, VISA Giftcard, MoneyPak, Western Union, check in the mail, or cash deposit to your checking account.   Update: effective 06/19 we no longer accept MtGox codes.    

What price are you paying?
The image below (removed see update above) updates in realtime with the price we are offering to purchase your coins at.  It is important that you refresh this page to get the current price. The price paid for your coins will be the price at the time you send the coins to us (0-confirm).

So how do I sell to you?
Send us either a bitcointalk private message or an email (info@tangiblecryptography.com). Indicate the number of coins you wish to sell and which payout method you wish to use.  Include any required information (see "what we need" listed for the payout option you wish to use).  We will send you a unique bitcoin address to deposit your coins.    The payout amount is locked in once coins are sent (tx shows as 0-confirm on the network) at the current buy price.  Funds will be paid out after 6 confirms.

What are my Payout options?

Denominations available:  $100 to $1000 (send PM for information on larger sales)
What we need:  Your Paypal email address.
Fees*: None and we cover all PayPal fees



Min Payout:  $50
Max Payout: $1000
What we need:  Your Dwolla account #.
Fees*:  None (Dwolla will deduct $0.25)



Prepaid VISA Giftcards (not reloadable)
Denominations available:  $100
What we need:  Nothing  To use online you will need to set your zipcode at issuer's website (so card passes merchant address verification check).
Fees*: flat $5 regardless of denomination  None while supplies last.
We are dropping this option but have a few $100 cards remaining.  



Physical check from our company account in the mail.  Sent via first class mail.
Min Payout:  $100
Max Payout: $5,000
What we need:  Name on the check and address to mail it (PO BOX are fine).  US delivery only at this time
Fee:  None*
Optional:  Priority Mail (2-3 day delivery) with delivery confirmation - $5.00 fee
Optional:  Express Mail (1-2 day delivery) with delivery confirmation - $20.00 fee
Optional:  Certified cashier's check (min payout $500) - $10 fee



Min Payout: $100
Max Payout: $1,000
What we need: Nothing.  It may take 1-4 hours to obtain MoneyPak unless we already have one in stock.  Contact us for availability.
Fee*:  $5 for $500 or less,  $10 fee for $501 or more.



Amounts and fees are set by Western Union and vary by country.  send an email to info@tangiblecryptography.com and we will be happy to provide you a custom quote.



Cash deposit directly to your Bank Of America or Wells Fargo bank account
In most instances funds will be available instantly (see your bank for fund availability information)
IMPORTANT:  You must use pgp to encrypt private information if you want to use this payout option.  If you send us your account information in plain text we will reject your sale, and refund the coins.  No exceptions.
Denominations available:  $500 to $5,000 (this is a manual process so it isn't cost/time effective for us to process smaller orders)
What we need (MUST be sent via PGP protected message):  Full Name as it appears on the account, bank name (BofA or Wells Fargo only), account type (checking or savings), and account number.
Fee: None during this trial period (subject to change as we evaluate the popularity and time requirements)

* For all payout options a convenience fee of $0.50 will be deducted for payouts of less than $100.
Additional Payout options coming soon:  ACH, and funds added directly to your reloadable Mastercard.


The 110% FastCash Same Day Guarantee
We will never accept an order we can't fund instantly. In our opinion nobody should.  You sell your coins to us, you get cash today!  If we buy your coins and can't pay you the same day we will return your coins PLUS 10% as compensation for the busted trade.  You don't have to accept week long delays without disclosure any more.


Escrow
Escrow is optional.  We have dozens of confirmed buys but if you want to be extra careful we have partnered with bitmit.net to offer transfers with escrow.
FastCash4Bitcoins. $100 Paypal Transfer
FastCash4Bitcoins. $100 Dwolla Transfer


CURRENT FUNDS AVAILABILITY (last updated: 06/22/2012 11 AM EST)
FastCash4Bitcoins is an open offer to purchase your coins subject to funding availability.
Paypal: None (reloading in progress - ETA 06/26)
Dwolla: None (reloading in progress - ETA 06/26)
MoneyPak: High (all amounts available)
Cash Deposit: High (all amounts available)
Check In The Mail: High (all amounts available)
ACH:  will be available when website launches on Sunday

For enhanced security and privacy we offer GPG protected private messages and emails
It isn't that hard to setup and use (windows users start here: http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html)
Note: for checking account payout the use of GPG/PGP is MANDATORY.

Tangible Cryptography LLC's Public Key
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June 04, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
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Dwolla
We will buy your Bitcoins @ MtGox weighted 24 hour average minus 2%.

To continue using Dwolla I had to agree to their terms of service which read:

You understand and agree that you will not engage in the following activities:
- Use the Dwolla system to operate or engage in any business regulated by FinCen, including the money service business;
- Use the Dwolla System without written consent in association with any online credit or virtual currency system;

So by trading my bitcoins for your Dwolla, how do I know that you've gotten approval from Dwolla to do these type of trades?

[To be fair, this isn't a problem unique to you, I have the same concern with withdrawing USD funds through Dwolla from Mt. Gox, Camp BX, Intersango, Get-Bitcoin, etc.) but they were operating before Dwolla's new terms of service were imposed so I somehow feel safe assuming they and Dwolla have things worked out already and are allowed to continue that activity.]

Bitcoins to prepaid Mastercard.

Anxiously awaiting this.

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June 04, 2012, 05:07:31 PM
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You don't but like you said the issue isn't limited to me.  I have funds available right now and Mt.Gox doesn't.  Still the Dwolla has been going fast I likely will need to close it until I can redeposit.  Down to $300 Dwollars.
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Aweomse! MtGox USD -> Paypal transaction

Thanks man! Got me out of a tight spot!

+1!

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June 04, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
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You don't but like you said the issue isn't limited to me.  I have funds available right now and Mt.Gox doesn't.  Still the Dwolla has been going fast I likely will need to close it until I can redeposit.  Down to $300 Dwollars.

I ask because Mt. Gox refers to having been given written consent from Dwolla making them a "special" merchant account.

Reportedly there now are 'normal" and "special" merchant accounts:

> (00:52:52) MagicalTux: we have written consent from Dwolla, basically now Dwolla has "normal" merchant accounts, and "special" merchant accounts with extra requirements

 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tp0xt/dwolla_changes_tos_to_prohibit_bitcoin/c4ohxsq
 - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tp0xt/dwolla_changes_tos_to_prohibit_bitcoin

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June 04, 2012, 05:40:17 PM
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I ask because Mt. Gox refers to having been given written consent from Dwolla making them a "special" merchant account.

I have not been given written consent.  My guess is that Dwolla is more concerned about funds coming from new/recent accounts due to fraud.  My Dwolla account is in good standing, and has had more than $20K in deposits clear over the course of 9 months all from the same bank account. 

Still I concede Dwolla could shut me down and if they do I will stop using them.  If they do that to enough people they will cease to exist.  I mean has anyone used Dwolla for anything other than virtual currencies?  Anyone?  Ever?  For a single purchase? Smiley
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We have exhausted almost all Dwolla funds (<$100 PM me if interested in a small trade).  Thanks for all the support Bitcoin sellers.  We should have more Dwolla funds on the 7th.  

As a "thank you" for the suppport, and to promote cash by Paypal we will cut the fee on Paypal to 2.5% until Dwolla is funded again.  

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Thank you for fast, and smooth BTC-Dwolla transaction!
Pleasure doing business with you!
Is there a +rep I can give you?

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I've made two >$100 Dwolla trades now with TangibleCryptography. Both were quick and flawless. Cheers for the great service.

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June 05, 2012, 01:48:56 AM
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Paypal US Accounts (see below for international accounts)
We will buy your Bitcoins @ MtGox weighted 24 hour average minus 3.0%.    Price cut to 2.5% till 6/7.

Already sold your coins?  No problems we also accept MtGox USD at the same rate.  We absorb any Paypal fees.  PM us with your paypal address, and the BTC amount (indicate US account).
Min tx: 5 BTC  (we can transfer less but you pay 1% more)
Max tx: 200 BTC (based on availability)

Example:
20 BTC  MtGox weighted 24hour price = $5.25.
$5.25 *0.97 * 20 = $101.85 in your Paypal account

Paypal International Accounts
We will buy your Bitcoins @ MtGox weighted 24 hour average minus 3.5%.    Price cut to 2.5% till 6/7.

Already sold your coins?  No problems we also accept MtGox USD at the same rate.  We absorb any Paypal fees.  PM us with your paypal address, and the BTC amount (indicate intl account).
Min tx: 5 BTC  (we can transfer less but you pay 1% more)
Max tx: 200 BTC (based on availability)
Available:  Yes

Example:
20 BTC  MtGox weighted 24hour price = $5.25.
$5.25 *0.965 * 20 = $101.33

Might wanna fix the math to include the price cut Wink
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June 05, 2012, 02:00:51 AM
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Might wanna fix the math to include the price cut Wink

Will do. Actually I think I will be simplifying the pricing
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Update:  Dwolla funding cleared early.  Get them Dwollars while they are hot.
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Fast and easy transfer of MtGox USD to Dwolla. Thanks!
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Update:
Dwolla funds are exhausted.  Refunding.

Simplified the pricing to make the offered rate in BTC/USD inclusive of all fees.



We buy at this price (subject to fund availability) with no extra fees (min sale of 10 BTC).  
Sales of less than 10 BTC are always welcome; a convenience fee of $0.50 will be deducted from the proceeds of the sale.
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Offering a 2% bonus on Paypal payments through 06/09/2012
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How about just "Cash via Registered Mail"?  I was curious what kind of interest it would attract, to just offer cash in the mail for BTC.  It is not as scary as it sounds.

Registered Mail is a USPS product specifically meant for mailing currency, precious metals, jewels, and such.  Everything sent Registered Mail has a paper chain of custody from sender to recipient, there is always a paper signoff as it is handed from USPS employee to employee, and RM has stringent security requirements (for example, it goes in a lockbox at every step of the way, and the entire outer surface must be paper, so the originating post office can rubberstamp all the seams, so the package is tamper-evident throughout its journey).

on top of that, cash sent Registered Mail is fully insured.  If it disappears, it's fully claimable, and the USPS knows they have an individual name they can go after via the paper trail.

Registered Mail doesn't really add a whole lot to the cost of a shipment... it depends on the insured amount... mailing a bundle of cash via RM might come out to $15 fully insured, just as a ballpark figure.

Companies claiming they got hacked and lost your coins sounds like fraud so perfect it could be called fashionable.  I never believe them.  If I ever experience the misfortune of a real intrusion, I declare I have been honest about the way I have managed the keys in Casascius Coins.  I maintain no ability to recover or reproduce the keys, not even under limitless duress or total intrusion.  Remember that trusting strangers with your coins without any recourse is, as a matter of principle, not a best practice.  Don't keep coins online. Use paper or hardware wallets instead.
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June 06, 2012, 05:54:50 PM
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We will consider it if there is sufficient interest.   The main issue with registered mail is the need for hand delivering the package to Post Office.  That added cost will be passed on to the seller which may make the option unattractive.

We are also looking into Money Order issuance.  
If anyone else would like us to explore adding cash by mail please let us know.
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Update:  VISA Giftcards now available.

$100 & $200 denominations available instantly.
Custom denominations are available for next day delivery (min: $25, max: $500)

Your choice:
Online delivery of card information & shred physical card - 1 BTC fee
Online delivery of card information & ship physical card - 2 BTC fee

Example:  
Current buy price is $5.30 and you wish to be paid by $200 VISA Gift card.  $200/5.30 = 37.75 BTC.  Sell us 38.75 BTC for online only card or 39.75 for physical delivery and receive a $200 VISA Gift card.   If you opt for physical delivery we can still provide you your card information today.

For use with US merchants only.  No ATM access, no PIN issued.  Strictly a credit card for purchases only gift card.


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$100 & $200 denominations available instantly.
Other denominations are available for next day delivery.

What maximum?   Are there levels, or can I buy a card with $567.89 on it?

Are these usable at an ATM?  Are these usable internationally?   Can they be reloaded?


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What maximum?
Min $25
Max $500

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Are there levels, or can I buy a card with $567.89 on it?
Any amount between the min & max is acceptable.  $567.89 is over the max but $467.89 would be fine.

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Are these usable at an ATM?  Are these usable internationally?   Can they be reloaded?
No, no, no.

From the issuer:
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Due to changes in applicable law, gift cards purchased after March 31, 2012 may not be used for international transactions or purchases. Please use gift cards for domestic U.S. transactions or purchases only.  This card may be used in the U.S. and District of Columbia wherever Visa debit cards are accepted. The card may not be used outside of the U.S. or the District of Columbia including Internet and mail or telephone order merchants outside of the U.S. or the District of Columbia.

We have a reloadable international solution coming but that will likely not be here until next month and like all reloadable solutions will require KYC information.
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KYC?
Can you please explain what does that means?

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June 07, 2012, 12:08:13 AM
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KYC?
Can you please explain what does that means?

I apologize for using jargon like that.  KYC is "Know Your Customer" a term used to cover the comprehensive set of rules that money service businesses are required to follow.  In the context that it was used it means that since the cards (the reloadable ones) are issued by a US bank it will require customer information (name, address, Social Security Number*).  Cards which can't be reloaded (like the VISA gift cards) are not subject to any KYC requirements although other anti-money laundering provisions may apply.

* or equivalent for international customers.  Acceptable ID varies by country of residence.
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How do we conduct a transaction?  Via PM?
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June 07, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
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How do we conduct a transaction?  Via PM?

For now yes PM is the best.

Alternatively if you would like to use escrow you can use Bitmit.net
https://bitmit.net/en/user/TangibleCrypto
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Update: Dwolla refunded.  Paypal sale is closed for new trades.  If you already PM about a Paypal trade I will honor the sale price (2% bonus) for the rest of the day.
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Just wanted to post my experience here - sent 10 BTC to TangibleCryptography and received a paypal transfer from him within minutes (he sent right after the BTC transaction reached 1 confirm).  +1, highly recommended

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Just wanted to post my experience here - sent 10 BTC to TangibleCryptography and received a paypal transfer from him within minutes (he sent right after the BTC transaction reached 1 confirm).  +1, highly recommended

A +1 back to btcboston. Quick and Easy.  Would trade again.
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When you start doing ACH transfers, how much do you think the fees will be? CampBX has a $2 fee, will you be able to beat that?
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When you start doing ACH transfers, how much do you think the fees will be? CampBX has a $2 fee, will you be able to beat that?

We do not intend to not have any flat fee when paying out by ACH.  Our goal is not to become an exchange but to be a direct buyer of Bitcoins.  The price we are willing to buy at may vary from the current bid at CampBX or other exchanges so it is difficult to directly compare but we intend to be competitive for small to medium sized orders.  Someone looking to sell hundreds of Bitcoins may find an exchange more attractive but we will likely be able to offer more "cash" payout options.

We envision a simple portal where a bitcoin holder can quickly sell them to obtain needed cash.  We show you our rate up front, you tell us the number of coins, and pick your payout method from a number of options (ACH, mailed check, Paypal, Dwolla, funds added to your reloadable credit card, VISA gift card*, or MoneyPack*) and get a deposit address.  Once the coins clear we pay you.  That simple.


* There likely will be an additional fee for these two options simply because they carry high fixed fees.

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We do not intend to not have any flat fee when paying out by ACH.  Our goal is not to become an exchange but to be a direct buyer of Bitcoins.  The price we are willing to buy at may vary from the current bid at CampBX or other exchanges so it is difficult to directly compare but we intend to be competitive for small to medium sized orders.  Someone looking to sell hundreds of Bitcoins may find an exchange more attractive but we will likely be able to offer more "cash" payout options.

We envision a simple portal where a bitcoin holder can quickly sell them to obtain needed cash.  We show you our rate up front, you tell us the number of coins, and pick your payout method from a number of options (ACH, mailed check, Paypal, Dwolla, funds added to your reloadable credit card, VISA gift card*, or MoneyPack*) and get a deposit address.  Once the coins clear we pay you.  That simple.


* There likely will be an additional fee for these two options simply because they carry high fixed fees.

Love it. I can see this gaining popularity very fast.
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+1 Sent some Dwolla USD and some BTC and completed the transaction quickly!  Will be doing more business with Gerald in the future!
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+1 Sent some Dwolla USD and some BTC and completed the transaction quickly!  Will be doing more business with Gerald in the future!

+1 for iidx.  Fast and easy trade.
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what are pp fees?

Will you match spendbitcoin's rate?
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what are pp fees?

Will you match spendbitcoin's rate?

Our rate is posted in the image on first page.  It dynamically adjusts based on market price and funds availability.

Currently $5.45 per BTC*.  No fees beyond the selling price. 

(i.e. right now if you sold us 10 BTC we would pay you $54.50 into your Paypal or Dwolla account)


* At the time of the post.  Always check the Current Buy Price in the first post.
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awesome, another fast transaction! I think I found my new buyer Smiley

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TangibleCryptography you seams to gain popularity, keep it that way  Wink

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I need to mention: Another awesome transaction!  Grin

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When you send us pp, will it be by gift or payment?
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When you send us pp, will it be by gift or payment?

We send Paypal funds by payment and we cover all fees.  As an example if you sell us coins and we owe you $100 you will get $100 in your Paypal account not a cent less.
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I like the way you do your pp. I think I'll use you instead of spendbitcoins now. Do you offer ppCAD?
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I don't believe we have a method to pay directly in ppCAD.  However if you have ppCAD denominated account PP should allow you to accept ppUSD payments which they then convert to ppCAD.
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Update:  Western Union now available.

Generally speaking Western Union has the highest fees but for international users it may be fastest option available.
For example you can sell 100 BTC and get paid $500 (or equivalent local currency) at any WU location in Peru.

WU fees vary significantly based on the amount transferred and the destination country so PM for more information or use WU site to estimate fees:
www.westernunion.com

Source: United States Zipcode 23322
Destination: Your country

We fund via the "In person - Instant" option and the "Online - Bank Account" option.  Instant allows pickup on the same day but generally has a higher fee.  Bank Account funding option will be paid via funds drawn from our LLC bank account and allows pickup in 3 days.  Generally the fees are 50% to 75% less.  The choice is up to you and we never markup WU fees. 

Just another way to sell coins and get paid TODAY!



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Update: Lowered and Simplified fees on GreenDot MoneyPaks

Denominations available: $50 to $1000
Fees:  up to $500 = $5 flat fee.  over $500 = $10 flat fee

Example:  You wish to sell 100 coins and current buy price is $5.25.
100 BTC * $5.25 ea = $525 owed.  You can choose MoneyPak payout option and get a $525 - $10 = $515 MoneyPak.

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If you have a Paypal account I recommend you get a PayPal debit card (US residents only).  It allows you to spend your PayPal balance anywhere Mastcard is accepted.

https://personal.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=marketing_us/debit_card



It takes 5-7 days for delivery so get one now so you have it when you need it.  There are no monthly fee (there is a $1 ATM fee and 1% foreign tx fee).

So say you need to pay an emergency bill you are short the cash but have plenty of Bitcoins.  Sell the coins to us, we payout via PayPal and you can pay the plumber, mechanic, or liquor store with your Mastercard (at least until they start accepting Bitcoins).

With FastCash4Bitcoins you can keep more of your wealth in Bitcoins and instantly transfer them to PayPal, Dwolla, or 5 other payout options.


PayPal is a registered trademark of Ebay Inc.  MasterCard is a registered trademark of Mastercard Inc.
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Want to talk about FastCash!?
A++
Had an awesome, solid, amazingly fast transaction with TangibleCryptography and would recommend anyone who needs to do trades to do so with him.

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Narrowed the spread on BTC pricing and lowered discount on MtGox to 2.5% to 2.0%.  We have more funds and more liquidity so we are lowering the cost for our loyal customers.

Update 06/13: Discount for MtGox codes will remain 2.5%.  We encourage our customers to start selling BTC directly as at some point in the future we will stop accepting MtGox codes completely.  Don't worry we will give you plenty of notice but MtGox inability to clear withdrawals (by any method) in less than 16 days has significantly hurt our liquidity.
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Quick and easy paypal payout!

Will use again Smiley
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Narrowed the spread on BTC pricing and lowered discount on MtGox to 2.5% to 2.0%.  We have more funds and more liquidity so we are lowering the cost for our loyal customers.

OP still says Mt. Gox less 2%

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Narrowed the spread on BTC pricing and lowered discount on MtGox to 2.5% to 2.0%.  We have more funds and more liquidity so we are lowering the cost for our loyal customers.

OP still says Mt. Gox less 2%

Thanks fixed. We are keeping lower spread on BTC but resuming 2.5% discount on Gox codes.   We are moving away from MtGox funds.  We will keep the option open for some of our customers but eventually we will be BTC only.
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OK - thanks.  Angry

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Update:  

The good news is we did some heavy volume today (I think the prices spiking brought out the sellers).  We want to think all our customers and would like to point out we paid every single coin sold on the same day it was bought (most within minutes).

The bad news is Paypal funds are exhausted and Dwolla funds are very low.  MtGox delays (18 day+) are really hurting our liquidity.  We are injecting new capital into both payout methods.   We may need to stop accepting MtGox codes or raise the discount rate unless MtGox can clear the 5 figure backlog.  This won't affect our pricing of direct purchases of BTC.

Thank You,

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How about adding amazon payments?
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How about adding amazon payments?

We will consider it if there is enough demand.  Any advantages of AP over PayPal or Dwolla?
Anyone wishing payout through Amazon Payments make your voices heard.  Send us a Private Message or email.
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Update:  Added "check in the mail" as a new payout option.

A throwback to a simpler time ... we payout via a check drawn from our company account and hand delivered to your front door (or PO BOX).  Checks are sent by first class mail.  Priority mail and certified cashier's check are available as optional upgrades.   Why pay $40 or more for a "wire" from a certain exchange that takes 3 weeks to arrive? The Postal service can likely get it there quicker and cheaper.


Physical check from our company account in the mail.  Sent via first class mail.
Denominations available: $1 to $5,000 (inquire about larger payouts)
What we need:  Name on the check and address to mail it (PO BOX accepted).  US delivery only at this time
Fee:  None (convenience fee of $0.50 will be deducted from payouts of less than $100)
Optional:  Upgrade to Priority Mail (2-3 day delivery) with delivery confirmation for $5.00 fee.
Optional:  Upgrade to certified cashier's check & Priority Mail for $10 fee ($500 min payout).

Early bird special.  
We will give free upgrade to priority mail upgrade and a 1% bonus to the first Bitcoin sale paid by check.  Minimum of 40 BTC and under the condition you write a feedback/review post on your experience.
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This might end up being even easier for me then ACH, I'm excited.
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Wish I had seen this before selling through bitfloor!  Oh well, I suppose I still got a better price there than I would have here...
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How about adding amazon payments?

We will consider it if there is enough demand.  Any advantages of AP over PayPal or Dwolla?
Anyone wishing payout through Amazon Payments make your voices heard.  Send us a Private Message or email.

The main advantage is amazon doesn't charge fees to send or receive at all, and for personal accounts, no fees for credit card charges under $1000 per month. Oh, and it's not PayPal;)
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It would be great service if you can offer US bank deposits
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It would be great service if you can offer US bank deposits

We will look into this on a case by case basis.  Due to geography this would be limited to Wells Fargo and Bank Of America.
Anyone interested should send an email to info@tangiblecryptography.com  To complete a cash deposit we will need the account holder's name and account #.  We STRONGLY recommend using gpg to protect your sensitive information.  Our gpg key is available in the first post.

We will try it on a case by case basis and if the logistics aren't too tough we will make it a standardized option.
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1500mtgox USD to Dwolla
Smooth, fast, friendly.
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Excellent service, very happy with the results.

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Excellent service, very happy with the results.

We are glad you are happy with the service. 

Also a +1 to andresbtc.  Reputable trader on a large deal.  Would trade again.
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Quick trade, thanks.
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Anybody ordered an old school check yet?  I am intrigued. 
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Tangible is a great bitcoin business that functions just as it should.  Great low fees, superb customer service, and everything is always friendly and smooth.  I highly recommend them.

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Anybody ordered an old school check yet?  I am intrigued. 

Nobody has taken us up on the option yet.  The early bird special is still available.  I would imagine this option will have a niche use.  It likely is best for the seller who doesn't want to use PayPal or Dwolla and doesn't want the higher fees of MoneyPak or WU.
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New payout option added:  


Cash deposit directly to your Bank Of America or Wells Fargo bank account.
In most instances funds will be available instantly (see your bank for fund availability information)
IMPORTANT:  You must use pgp to encrypt private information if you want to use this payout option.  If you send us your account information in plain text we will reject your sale, and refund the coins.  No exceptions.

Denominations available:  $200 to $5,000 (this is a manual process so it isn't cost/time effective for us to process smaller orders)
What we need: Full Name as it appears on the account, Bank name, account type, and account number  (MUST be sent via PGP protected message)
Fee: None during this trial period (subject to change as we evaluate the popularity and time requirements)
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Any chance for a Chase or Ally bank account for a payout?

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I hate to be the one to start an ugly rumor, but Tangible lives in his parents' basement and lives on ramen noodles and cut-rate soda.  His only entertainment is an Atari 2600.  This is the only explanation for fees this frickin' low.  I would gladly pay an extra 1/4% so he could chop up some ham to put in those noodles but the man lives the way he wants so fine then. 

In addition to the crazy low fees, the service is top-shelf. 

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June 18, 2012, 01:00:48 PM
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Any chance for a Chase or Ally bank account for a payout?

I can deposit funds into BofA or Wells Fargo because there are physical branches locally.  I already tried this as a trial with two sellers before making it an official option.

Ally bank has no physical branches and Chase has no branches in my immediate area.  We do intend to offer ACH which would work with an US bank account (hopefully starting next week if the bank can graciously get around to approving the application).  The advantage of a cash deposit is it posts the same day (much like a wire without the wire cost).  The ACH service we are getting set up with has an accelerated option which delivers funds next day for an additional fee.
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We are happy to announce that bankers occasionally work; more to the point our application for ACH has been (finally cough cough) approved.   We will be rolling out ACH deposits (direct deposit) as our latest payout option in a few days.  We need to finish up some automation improvements to keep up with demand and wait for some fund transfers to clear. 

The fee on ACH payouts will be  ..... NOTHING!  Our 110% same day guarantee applies to ACH also.  Obviously we can't guarantee the ACH delivery (that is up to the banking network and takes 3-5 business days) but we can do our part and guarantee we will submit the ACH request the same day we buy your coins.    They are your hard earned coins don't accept anything less than same day payments.

Need your money a little faster?  Well our name isn't SlowCash4Bitcoins.  We will be offering an optional upgrade for NEXT DAY ACH payouts.   You will have funds in your bank account the day after you sell us coins.   Final pricing for this optional service is not decided yet but we anticipate it will be around five bucks.  Remember "normal" ACH will always be a free service for our clients.

Thanks for all the support ... and coins!
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I just pushed 400 USD in redeemable MtGox codes to TangibleCryptography and exchanged them for paypal. This guy is fast, responsive, and nice. What more can you ask? I'm looking forward to transacting with him again in the near future.
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I just pushed 400 USD in redeemable MtGox codes to TangibleCryptography and exchanged them for paypal. This guy is fast, responsive, and nice. What more can you ask? I'm looking forward to transacting with him again in the near future.

Trade with macromode was quick and easy.  +1.
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Do you have a website yet? or is this still just by PM?

thanks,
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Do you have a website yet? or is this still just by PM?

thanks,
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Still by PM or PGP encrypted email ( info@tangiblecryptography.com ) .  I think I sound like a broken record but he intend to have the website up soon.  Real life just seems to ensure there are never enough hours.
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Effective immediately we will not longer accept MtGox codes.  We are strictly a BTC direct buyer.  For any trades already in progress or negotiated involving MtGox codes, they will be honored.

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Effective immediately we will not longer accept MtGox codes.

What brought this on?

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Effective immediately we will not longer accept MtGox codes.

What brought this on?
Probably how difficult it is to get money out of MtGox these days...
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Effective immediately we will not longer accept MtGox codes.

What brought this on?
Probably how difficult it is to get money out of MtGox these days...

That would be it.  We rode it out as long as possible but it has turned into a liquidity trap.  Capital goes in and gets stuck.  Even without the risk of insolvency (small IMHO but not zero) the delays are getting longer and the amount of capital idled keeps growing.  We can't continue to support that.

For some time now we have been accepting MtGox as a courtesy and then immediately paying MtGox to buying coins.
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+1

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+1

Another great transaction, excelent service
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I hit up TangibleCryptography again today to carry out another exchange. Clear communications and quick service. No fuss, no muss. Why would you not want to do business with this guy?
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Great service, very fast!
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Do you guys take BTC-E  USD or BTC codes for Dwolla or Paypal ?

Thanks !

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Anyone cash a check from this guy?I tryed cashing a paypal check last week @ walmart,since their the cheapest $6 for 2k.And the cashier straight busted my balls.The bitch didn't even know what paypal was.She like ahh,theres a error on this check,our system  is not recognizing the check. Angry After running the check through 3 of their check machines,she gave it back to me,with a rip on the bottom. Angry .Had to go to the reg. check cashing spot,charged me $50,to cash.So can your checks be cashed @ wallymarts Huh
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Anyone cash a check from this guy?I tryed cashing a paypal check last week @ walmart,since their the cheapest $6 for 2k.And the cashier straight busted my balls.The bitch didn't even know what paypal was.She like ahh,theres a error on this check,our system  is not recognizing the check. Angry After running the check through 3 of their check machines,she gave it back to me,with a rip on the bottom. Angry .Had to go to the reg. check cashing spot,charged me $50,to cash.So can your checks be cashed @ wallymarts Huh

Our first payouts by check were mailed two days ago.  They haven't been cashed or deposited yet.  I hope we will see a review by the end of the week.  

Checks are drawn from Tangible Cryptography Bank Of America Small Business Checking Account. One certainty is that they can be cashed at any Bank Of America.  I can't see any reason why they would be declined at Walmart or any other location but if Walmart denied a check from PayPal (either intentionally or by mistake) obviously they could deny a check from just about anyone.  


This weekend I will write a company check to myself and try to cash it at Walmart as a test and report on the results (good or bad).  Still if you don't have a BofA near your or a personal bank account to deposit the check then, one of the other payout options are likely a better fit.

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Here are some alternative ideas for sellers who don't have (or don't want to use) a US bank account.  If you have a creative option, share it in this thread.

The easiest option: PayPal
If you have a PayPal account sign up for their debit card.  There is no signup or monthly fees.  We deposit the proceeds from your coins sale into your PayPal account and you instantly have funds available anywhere that takes VISA (w/ 1% cash back).   You can also use the debit card to withdraw funds from an ATM.

That is a great idea but for moral, ethical, religious, or financial reasons I can't or won't use PayPal
A reloadable prepaid card and GreenDot MoneyPak is likely your best option.  There are a lot of reloadable prepaid cards and they all have different fees, so try to find one which matches what you will use it for.   You worked hard for those coins get the most from them.

One of the better options is the Walmart MoneyCard.  If you load $1,000 or more there is no monthly fee.  This shouldn't be taken as an endorsement by Tangible Cryptography.  There may be better prepaid alternatives.  We would love to hear from our sellers if they use any.  

Most prepaid cards cost $3 to $5 if you buy one in the store but if you order online they usually are free.  We got prepaid cards free from about twenty companies to evaluate them.  Sell us some coins, we payout in a GreenDot MoneyPak and you load the funds on to your card.  A fee of $5 (up to $500) or $10 ($501 to $1000) will be deducted from the payout when using MoneyPak option.

You had me until the "f" word.  I hate fees.
Some prepaid cards (like Walmart money card above) can accept a direct deposit.  Our ACH service hasn't officially launched yet but we would be happy to do a trial run for anyone who has a prepaid card that can accept direct deposit.   Sell us some coins, give us the direct deposit info for your prepaid card and you will have funds in 3-5 days with no "f" words.  You can find the direct deposit info in the online account for your prepaid card.


Wait wait wait.  Those are spending options.  I need cold hard cash.  You know cash, dough, greenbacks, Benjamins, paper and I don't want to make 20 trips to the ATM.   How can I get a lot of cash and quick?

We can deposit up to $5,000 into your Bank of America or Wells Fargo account, today.  

If you don't have (or don't want to use) a bank account your best option is a certified cashier's check.  Unlike a regular check, the funds are removed when the check is printed not when it is cashed.   There is no possibility of the check being denied due to lack of funds or account being closed.   Check cashing services have more options on verifying a certified check than a regular check because banks provide the ability to verify the amount, payee, and status.

Review of our check fees:
Check by first class mail - $0
Certified cashier's check - $20
Priority Mail (2-3 days) - $5
Express Mail (overnight) - $10
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Dwolla back in stock.
Funds reloaded for MoneyPak, Cash Deposit and Western Union

Dwolla exhausted.  That didn't take long.  Refunding expected 06/22.
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You had me until the "f" word.  I hate fees.
Some prepaid cards (like Walmart money card above) can accept a direct deposit.  Our ACH service hasn't officially launched yet but we would be happy to do a trial run for anyone who has a prepaid card that can accept direct deposit.   Sell us some coins, give us the direct deposit info for your prepaid card and you will have funds in 3-5 days with no "f" words.  You can find the direct deposit info in the online account for your prepaid card.

I would take you up on this but I'm repaying a loan currently. And why is it 3-5 Days? I actually have a Walmart Moneycard and on the site it lists an ACH as 1-3 days.
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I would take you up on this but I'm repaying a loan currently. And why is it 3-5 Days? I actually have a Walmart Moneycard and on the site it lists an ACH as 1-3 days.

We are being conservative and Walmart is being wildly (unrealistically) optimistic.  ACH usually posts the third day.  Rarely it will hit on the second or fourth day.  I have never seen one day or five days.   NACHA states three to five days so we will use that. 

Simple version:  it is ~3 days.
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Update:  we will be dropping the VISA gift card option.  It simply is not popular enough to justify the time and expense.

We have a few $100 VISA gift cards left.  We will be absorbing the $5 load fee.  Just pay face value ($100) while supplies last.
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Fast and easy, thanks. will be back again most defiantly.
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Update:
PayPal is almost exhausted.  <$500 funds remaining.  Refunding in progress.  ETA 06/26
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Site does not work ? Just the logo is shown, nothing else ?

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Site does not work ? Just the logo is shown, nothing else ?

yep that's right. it's all done by PM or email.
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Site does not work ? Just the logo is shown, nothing else ?

Yes.  Per title website will launch on Sunday.  Smiley
We are doing some final testing and validation.

If you need some cash before Sunday we can still assist you (see first post).
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Update:  Paypal funds exhausted (well $81.38 remains if someone wants one last deal).  ETA for refunding is 3/26.

We still have plenty of funds for check in the mail, cash deposit, or MoneyPaks.  ACH will be available Sunday.
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IMPORTANT UPDATE:
We will be halting all purchases starting at 1PM EST on 6/22/2012.  We have reluctantly decided to do this in order to free up time and resources for our website launch.   We hate to turn away business but we are now processing almost 100 purchases per day manually and the data entry, validation, and processing is starting to become a full time job!  The new platform will allow us to process a much higher volume securely and quickly. All pending transactions will be completed as agreed, this notice only applies to new trades.

We want to thank all our clients who have entrusted us with their business.  We started this project manually because we were unsure if there would be enough demand for a "direct bitcoin buyer".  You have blown away our expectations, so a sincere thank you.  

We hope to process your next bitcoin sale on our new website Monday morning.
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I had my first trade through these forums with TangibleCryptography and I have to say it was perfect from start to finish Smiley

Thanks again,

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Sold 100 coins via western union with no problems.  thanks a lot.
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Had a great experiences with tangible and super great customer service. I highly recommend to anyone! Excited to work with them from now on!!!! Grin
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Update:
Still working on the website should be ready to launch this evening (likely late).
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Update:
We apologize for the delay.  For neither of us this is our full time job, real world has delayed deployment of the new website.  We just want to do some final unit testing and validation of bitcoind communication.

If you need to complete a sale today, please contact us by PM or email and we will process it manually.
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Website is complete. Locking this thread.

Update:
It might help to include the link (thanks Stephen)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=90192
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