Should Bryce Weiner remain a dev of UNO?

[FallingKnife]

I think he should. But I like to keep an open mind.

With Uno, the dev is not the coin. Uno is a community. I can remember a time when Uno had no dev, but the community kept it alive anyway.

Uno is now in it's 5th month of steadily rising prices, hanging around #40 on CMC and 550k cap.  It sure isn't because Bryce ever pumped Uno. In fact, some of us thought he should do more to promote Uno. Last month he called-out what he thought was a Uno pump and pissed off some long-time community members when a small selloff ensued. Still, Uno keeps climbing back, even with Bryce as dev. He has done a lot for Uno, but nobody can claim he is pumping it.

All that said, convince me that there's no place for BW in Uno, which is an open source piece of software.

Convince me he did something evil to Uno (I really don't give a shit about Naut, Razor or any other BW coin. They are not Uno, and not the subject), that the marketcap would be higher without him. Tell me how he's abused his trust as a Uno developer.

Prove that investors are "Shying away," because of BW, or just make a reasonable case for it.  Show me that the marketcap would be higher without him. Sure didn't work that way for Razor.

I'd like to hear what you think.

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[smalltimer]

good thread.

I want to say:
Since i do not know what went down at blocktech (up until now nobody was able to provide any details) i do not know who is the bad guy in that story. Could be Bryce is alright and he is just victim of a smearcampaign. I do not know that. Maybe he is really not clean. I don't know that either.

I don't think uno community should make a decision in this case as long as not all information from all angles is available.

If Bryce continues to be an issue for uno and bring negative talk and thus harm the coin and its community i would be all for reevaluating his role in uno.

Right now i am waiting for more information in this case and i doubt i will get that.


(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=847777.msg9501626#msg9501626)

[BitcoinCharlie]

Again, my take is that the currency is bigger than any singular party. The community is what makes the coin special. Community makes it special now and will make it special in the future. We own Mr Weiner a debt of gratitude for working with blazr2 to create the coin, but we as the community have been the active party on the go forward basis.

My other point is that there are many bad actors that hold US dollars and euros, but that does not necessarily make those currencies bad in and of itself. Obviously, those currencies have other structural flaws, but not due initial developer.

[balu2]

look at post history of the guy who started that thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=847777.msg9446525#msg9446525

that guy and nuthilda, two 19-year-old trolls posting pictures and talking shit  - it's not enough to show Bryce the door from my perspective. Until now: no evidence of anything. Only accusations. Right now looks like slander and to be honest Bryce is a good target for that because he's the loudmouth on twitter. Easy to attack.

I agree: no evidence means no good decisions can be made

[vector.iso]

i don't know anything about his involvement with any other coins, all I know is that without deliberation, when we needed work done for our coin, he jumped right in and did it... and UNO is much better for it.  i can't see any legitimate reasons to let him go.

[Bobsurplus]

Bryce is in UNO??? Fuck that I'm buying some!

 

[balu2]

Bryce is in UNO??? Fuck that I'm buying some!

 

lol, buying a lot of uno can proof to be a difficult task to complete especially now (well, maybe today you can get some scared hands because of the BW-fud)


Anything more than a few hundred bought will raise the price significantly. Don't pump and dump us, bro  

[Benefactor]

Moved from main UNO thread:

BW - There may be some personality things, but having two capable developers is better than one.  Show me a better coin than UNO right now.  How far does BTC have to go to get the same % gain as UNO in the last 5 months, hmm?  I thought FK said BW got coaex.com on board?  That's HUGE!  I certainly couldn't do it after trying.  I think this is the time for us to support BW, not move like a bunch of cattle being prodded by fear.  Maybe we should see what he has to say about it.  All I've seen is a tweet where he says to hell with all cryptos, except for UNO, (and some 2nd one that's his.)  Honestly, that made me feel so good to read that.  I sure hope I'm not sticking my neck out for the wrong cause.  Maybe FK can contact BW and see what he says about things.

As far as drama goes, judging solely by BW's tweets, it seems that that group was getting too corporate, and maybe were setting up some nasties for clients, like a direct link between customer data and the NSA or something ugly, but I have no clue.  Maybe they didn't want to pay him in cryptos?  Maybe they did a bait-n-switch on his agreements?

Bottom line - BW's been a great help with Unobtanium, and is a valued member of our community.  If all the whiners don't like Weiner because their cryptos all stink, well at this point it seems like they are making the wrong association with him, someone to blame for their own lack of responsibility and network development.  Let's keep UNO strong, and BW's reputation can heal itself, as he's still a part of the best crypto out there.

Go UNO!

JIMHO

[balu2]

not move like a bunch of cattle being prodded by fear. 

+111111

[Bobsurplus]

Bryce is in UNO??? Fuck that I'm buying some!

 

lol, buying a lot of uno can proof to be a difficult task to complete especially now (well, maybe today you can get some scared hands because of the BW-fud)


Anything more than a few hundred bought will raise the price significantly. Don't pump and dump us, bro  

I'll try not to!

[balu2]

Bryce is in UNO??? Fuck that I'm buying some!

 

lol, buying a lot of uno can proof to be a difficult task to complete especially now (well, maybe today you can get some scared hands because of the BW-fud)


Anything more than a few hundred bought will raise the price significantly. Don't pump and dump us, bro  

I'll try not to!

ok, if you don't dump it hard you'd be allowed to buy a few. But don't be greedy  

welcome to uno 

[BitcoinNational]

we
      demote BW to "assistant to Blazr"
and cut his daily ration of sea biscuits
and he must sleep in the "cooler" for 3 weeks.

[smalltimer]

this thread makes me want to buy more Uno.

[gustav]

this thread makes me want to buy more Uno.

+1




@BW
he said on twitter he's on a roadtrip. So maybe we can safely raise the price a little as long as his twitter is inactive before he comes back and calls us out again for buying too fast.    Cutting his biscuits should do.

Headline: "Uno community cuts biscuits for BW"  

everybody should be happy with that. Good solution.

[iGotSpots]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

[BitcoinCharlie]

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king

You're exactly right. Anyone NOT taking a position in UNO will wish that they had listened...

[iGotSpots]

I don't think you get it

[BitcoinCharlie]

I understand completely, perhaps you should reevaluate

[Benefactor]

and cut his daily ration of sea biscuits

+1

I concur, and believe we have a quorum.

Hey, Cameron baby, tell us the verdict:

"Cut weiner's biscuits for 3 weeks, while he thinks about what he's done."

[IMZ]

Me just got here. Having a site.to discuss tricky issues is wise.

M

[rojan]

Bryce Weiner is larger than UNO, but I think he wants UNO to be larger than him.  He's an asset to the community and should remain.  I don't see any reason to dump Bryce or UNO.  Hodling.

[IMZ]

One: innocent until proven guilty.
Two: organised COAEX? Brilliant.
Three: helps when called upon? Great.
Four: keep a weather eye open.
m

[balu2]

this is one weird thread, i tell ya.








i think case is pretty much closed 

[cassius69]

weiner should be pistol whipped and dumped outside of city limits 

[timpeff]

I knew it would piss some people off for saying it but I still think BW is a bad addition to UNO....And his picture is right there on unobtanium.uno for everyone to see... well if you guys think its no biggie so be it...

[learminer]

I can never unsee that balu2, ahhhh... 

As for BW, the drama around him has certainly been intense. Several of the coins he's been involved in have tanked. Were they scams though? The altmarkets have been in a downward spiral for like 2/3rds of a year now, tons of coins with honest hardworking devs have lost value massively. Disgruntled hodlers tend to get pissy, myself included. Does that mean BW is really as bad of a character ad people try to make it appear? I don't know, but if the majority of the crypto community sees him as a bad player that might become a problem.

To me UNO is not a "Bryce coin" anyway. He took the dev role because the community kept bringing up his name and FK asked him to. From what I know most actual dev-work currently is done by Blazr, UNO's creator. Does he have anything to say about this?

[balu2]

I knew it would piss some people off for saying it but I still think BW is a bad addition to UNO....And his picture is right there on unobtanium.uno for everyone to see... well if you guys think its no biggie so be it...

may i ask what exactly is a biggie? Up until now nobody was able to provide an answer to the question what the actual problem with BW should be. All we know is there were some problems on blocktech, bryce and them parted and bryce made apologies on twitter ... for what?
Things like that happen every day and not everyone can work with everyone. Should be alright. People investing in razor could have seen the additional risk there. The coin relied on lots of deals and relations. Things don't always pan out as planned. Humans fail, that is to be expected.
Until now all i see is a lot of crybabies and no evidence or accurate information on the case. Is bryce a difficult character? Possible. Is he a scammer? We have no evidence for that. Do we have a lot of butthurt bagholders from razor? You bet we have.

So as long as there is no evidence of anything and not even information why bryce left blocktech i personally fail to see the issue. Why should uno drop the dev only because some people demand it on the basis of ... nothing so far.
I could go to every coin and try to smear the dev and then pressure the community to drop him. Sure, let's disassemble the last bit what's left of altcoins. Let's smear every dev out there until every single coin is without dev. Sure, we can do that.  

Provide accurate information on the blocktech-issue or provide evidence BW is a scammer. If you can do neither why not have a little bag of STFU?

This thread so far went into nothingness:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=847777.0

obvious smearcampaign is obvious.

The outcome of this issue is not even important. No matter how this goes down uno will be looked at as an ultra robust coin (for people who know the coin it's nothing new). All the shittalk has zero effect on the markets. And why should it have? It's very likely baseless.

My impressions so far. Only crybabies and nothing concrete.

[gustav]

obvious smearcampaign is obvious.

+1

The weiner-haters try to cook up a story for weeks now and fail miserably with it. It's unsubstantial trashtalk is my impression too. Most involved in moving this forward are younger than 22. Some 4chan-kids trying to cause some havoc because they bought into razor and that didn't work out.
As long as no informations are delivered this is all smoke.

The best thing those people can show to substantiate their non-arguments is a meme with a bryce-quote. That's about it.

Letting BW go because of this baseless shit would be a testament of a weak community.

no evidence/further information = smellherfart.com

[BitcoinCharlie]

obvious smearcampaign is obvious.

+1

The weiner-haters try to cook up a story for weeks now and fail miserably with it. It's unsubstantial trashtalk is my impression too. Most involved in moving this forward are younger than 22. Some 4chan-kids trying to cause some havoc because they bought into razor and that didn't work out.
As long as no informations are delivered this is all smoke.

The best thing those people can show to substantiate their non-arguments is a meme with a bryce-quote. That's about it.

+1

[smalltimer]

how about a little uno-rally tomorrow to make a point and celebrate a strong and rational community ?

I could be had for that. Way too cheap right now.

Uno is different. In other coins people buy it and hope to be whale-pumped. In uno the community upholds the coin with the own money. 95% to 99%  of people holding it are longterm holders. The community can move the coin up and down at will. It's not your average altcoin.

Fudding that isn't as easy as those overpumped daytrader-coins. I don't see a clear case here either. We continue to ask for further information and all we get is "people  don't like bryce"

Sorry, your premature and toxic IRC-talks are not of interest.

When in doubt vote uno: UP

I sure buy during this fud if it goes lower. The whole discussion is annoying especially since we are talking baseless stuff.

People don't like GS too, they still bought ETH for millions. We don't need a dev with no spine who's everybodies darling, thanks. Bryce should be ok for all i can see. At least he's not begging down or crawls in other peoples anus like many others do. Let him be that rebel, why the heck not?

And now he has actually time to work on the coins. The whole drama is actually not the worst for uno, quite the opposite.

if bryce reads this: stay away from toxic twitter and irc and code more. Will be best outcome.

What did IMZ write on the thread? "ad hominem, the classical fallacy of logic whereby you confuse the person with the thing"
Bryce being associated with uno doesn't make it better or worse than what it is. Uno is a thing, bryce is a person. Both are not  the same.

If people don't like bryce, fine. They will still buy uno in the end because it's a good product and makes good profit reliably. It's actually the best coin on the market. Who gives a fuck about the other things?

Uno has been holding its value better than ANY other coin (including bitcoin) during the last 12 months. People holding uno did not loose a single dollar all the last 12 months. Let that speak for itself. It is a provable fact: uno is the best performing coin of them all in the long run. Nothing will change about that.

People buy uno because of its exceptionally good properties to hold value (that's what coins are actually about). BW being associated or not isn't even of interest because it doesn't change the fundamentals which are mindblowing. The coin is superior. People not listening/researching will have it in their faces later and then troll even more because they missed the train because they listened to the nay-sayers.

It's open source btw. It states even in the thread "other developers are welcome". Uno is open to every developer who can/wants to contribute - people not likeing BW is surely not enough to excempt him from contributing. This whole discussion is utter nonsense from that angle.

i need to get offline now, the heartpressure  
I refuse to discuss this topic further as long as no new information appears. It's running in circles at this point.

People could use their energy to try to get RZR back on track instead they use their energies to cause more distrubance. It's a bit of a fail from the perspective of a productive human being. Nobody take anything personal what has been said here, it's just me ranting to myself.

[cassius69]

bryce should go back to gay escorting 

[Benefactor]

ad hominem

Actually, this term means, "to the person," and is a faulty reasoning error in the study of critical thinking skills, where a term is misapplied directly to a person.  Instead of attacking an argument, they attack the person illogically.

Besides the obvious use of ad hominem attacks for the purposes of manipulative rhetoric, it can also be an example of "transfer" from psychology.  When a dog can't attack the source of their anger, they may attack whoever is closest to them in error.  That's "transfer".

Finally, this is often an example of dehumanization.  Calling someone a thing to reduce them to the level of the thing, rather than treating them as the miracle human beings actually are.

-

Now that everyone is educated on this critical thinking error, the Unobtanium Community can more easily spot those more lacking in wisdom.  An empowered community for an empowering coin.

[Jelks]

Sorry, BW stays until -- and should -- he prove unworthy. 

I haven't seen any indication of such unworthiness, despite all the whining, moaning and gnashing of teeth.

Now y'all go back and play in your sandboxes.  And leave us alone with our UNO.

And keep on BW!  :-)   Really.

J

[Bansheroom]

If only half of what i read here http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/razor-another-altcoin-that-failed-to-deliver-on-promises-and-is-slowly-dying is true (did some quick checks and its seems to be complete true) --> Give this guy a kick so hard that he can fly to the moon. He must keep there until the RZR train reaches moon to pick him up (never).

As long as he is in the UNO team --> better stay away from UNO until all code he has programmed is double checked.

[solid12345]

obvious smearcampaign is obvious.

+1

The weiner-haters try to cook up a story for weeks now and fail miserably with it. It's unsubstantial trashtalk is my impression too. Most involved in moving this forward are younger than 22. Some 4chan-kids trying to cause some havoc because they bought into razor and that didn't work out.
As long as no informations are delivered this is all smoke.

The best thing those people can show to substantiate their non-arguments is a meme with a bryce-quote. That's about it.

Letting BW go because of this baseless shit would be a testament of a weak community.

no evidence/further information = smellherfart.com

I'm a grown man and I can tell you having worked in the real world, i'm sure someone like Brian Kelly paying Blocktech what was no doubt big money just to have to wait endlessly for months for Bryce to deliver a simple POS fork to his coin while Bryce spent all day yacking on twitter was the last straw for his position over there. Add on top the gamerholic fiasco, I'd fired him myself. And what happened to the Liberdade project? Or Razor Road? Admit it, the guy never delivered anything and instead preferred to spend his days stirring up drama like you know...a 4chan kid.

Why can't we just admit the guy was peddling snake oil and move on? Crypto can be better than this.

[smalltimer]

If only half of what i read here http://www.cryptoarticles.com/crypto-news/razor-another-altcoin-that-failed-to-deliver-on-promises-and-is-slowly-dying is true (did some quick checks and its seems to be complete true)

lol. That article. You can exchange that name of the coin against just about 80% of coins out there. That's a very, very common story around here. Bryces problem in that case is: he is not anon. Now you have a dev that's not anon, he screws up and gets slaughtered. Maybe you are better off with anon-devs, hm?

Regarding article: Also nothing special. High inflation is a thing that's transparent. Everyone can know the inflation in a coin. If you hold inflationary coins that's your own fault. Uno community preaches exactly that: "don't hold inflation-coins if you like profit"
Uno has those problems not  

Razor bagholders did not only buy an inflation coin, no, they even bought promises. When will you people ever learn? You don't buy inflation and promises! Why is BW the bad boy only because he couldn't deliver in time? I believe he tried and failed with the schedule. In the end of the day it is you who bought inflation and promises and now can't do a community takeover. Everyone in this shit is a fail, not only Bryce. And where is the original (anon) RZR-dev btw? No talk about him. Why? Because he's anon. Just a nickname. See the case?

I honestly don't see a scam here. Bryce just wasn't able to produce anything because twitter is more important to him but that is to be expected if he is developing 4 to 6 coins at once but actually only tweeting all day long. I think it's the same with most coins. Lots gets promised, nothing gets delivered. Again: not a problem of uno and also not a problem for an anon dev.
Ok, BW screwed razor up. But the normal thing would be a community takeover and search for a new dev for the razor bagholders. But what they do instead? They just cry and take the loss.
95% of coins released last year failed. Why is razor special now? Because you can slaughter the non-anon dev? I think that's what makes the difference here.

I still fail to see an issue with Bryce maintaining Uno. Right now he could have the time for it. I think uno and xdq is about the right amount of work for him so he doesn't get the burnout. Maybe his tweeting is just kind of an escape from his too much work. I remember myself as a kid. I did everything else before i did the homework. I think Bryce is also only a human and can only do so much. He likely started too many things at once. But if you had paid attention you could have noticed that, too. I did notice that and wondered how he would manage to do that many coins at once. Turns out: he didn't manage it.

Did the razor community actively help him back then? Did the community care about a second/third dev? Probably not. People just expect to be spoon-fed and then they cry like babies if that doesn't happen. Why not take stuff in your own hands? Crypto is not "order a meal and get delivered". Crypto is "get active to move things forward". Coins are decentralised companies. You buy a share in the company, you run it. If you don't run it, why should someone else do?


What i also see as problematic is the fact Bryce is using the same twitter (his private twitter with his private name) to tweet about coins. He should be more professional and seperate private twitter from tweets about coins. A more professional approach would be to use two accounts and keep the private one private.

I can feel the pain of the razor bagholders. Your situation is entirely normal around here, though.
A coin failed, sure. Happens every other day around here. Go over check on vericoin, quora, eccoin, cinni how they are doing and so on...

If you priced in promises, well that's bad news. Making someone else responsible for your own inability to analyse fundamentals of a coin or actively move a coin forward isn't a thing that works. You will loose money on the next hyped inflation-coin again because you obviouly didn't learn. You'll fall for it again - next time with an anon dev.
People always look for someone to blaim for their own fails but that's also a sure way to keep loosing money. I was looking at razor, looking at the fundamentals and the hype and i was staying the fuck away because i used my brain.

If you want to blame Bryce don't forget to blame yourself too. You were in this together. Bryce isn't your moma that needs to breastfeed you but you make it apear as if that was the case. You sit there leaned back and give him shit while you are doing nill for the coins. You just buy the hype and promises and then you cry when the profits don't happen instantly. Essentially useless.

You want money for nothing, right?

Why not take the head out of the arse and get a community takeover going like every decent investor would?


When it comes to Bryce and delivering: uno had no bad experience with it. He was producing a flawless update on time. But the uno community also does not behave as if he was the breastfeeding mom and actually looks for mutual beneficial relationship. Maybe that's a difference too. Maybe you guys were just a bit too vampiristic? Too much of canibals. He's only a human too. If i was him and you would only give me shit but nothing doing yourself i'd tell you to get off my ass too. If you want your dev to produce you need to be good to him in some ways. Other things don't work. Did you donate to his efforts? Have you been friendly and patient? Probably not.
Do you get anything going or are you just buying hype all day and dream of becoming rich quick?
I sure do see all the people who now cry a lot as a fail too. Many people fail here in many ways, not only Mr. Weiner.
Look at IRC - completely toxic. Full-on fail. If you don't see your own role in all this you'll make the same experience again in the next coins no matter what.

Saying it is Bryces fault you bought razor because he said on twitter it would be good is totally screwed. If people claim Bryce was hyping on twitter and they lost money because of that it shows what sheep they are.
I know Bryces' twitter and he is not hyping shit hard. And not all his calls are correct either. If you spend your money according to Bryces' twitter i am sorry for you because you will not make a dollar in crypto. You got nobody else to blame than yourself. All relevant information on the coin was available and all risks were known but you people price in the promises and not the risks, then it tanks. What a surprise  

btw i am offering bootcamp for people who fall for hype frequently, think it's a good idea to trade according to twitter and blame only others for their bad trades and of course fail in fundamentals. Check my sig.   We can get you sorted, no worries.

[FallingKnife]

Ok, glad we talked it out.

Join the UNO community at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.4000

http://unobtanium.uno

[ktfutura]

new dev please

[BitcoinNational]

WHAT? and give up them titties?