Trouble with www.moneypaktobitcoin.blogspot.com

[litecoinbtc]

To the OP are you:
Chris Johnson - cmjohnson@fastmail.net .
I sent you a pm. this people replied my mail.

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[coinbuyer]

Be out of State.
WTF!!!!
I own no site here or where i listed paypal site.
Tomatocage!!!!Stop wrong accusation now!!!

[bitpop]

Be out of State.
WTF!!!!
I own no site here or where i listed paypal site.
Tomatocage!!!!Stop wrong accusation now!!!

Give me the bitcoin to escrow for him or you're a scammer.

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[bit_stacker]

Thankyou, bitpop. I know you didn't want to get involved with my escrow request and I think that you and Tomatocage are right, I'm not going to get anything from this person or people.

I don't appreciate having my email and name shared by someone who is either a third or second party to my dealings with the moneypaktobitcoin blog person / people. But, on the other hand, it doesn't really hurt me so I don't care. Let it stay.

Just recently, I've had a number of PMs from litecoinbtc, I responded with a brief rundown of everything because, why not? I'm here to tell my story. His replies are laughable. Scammers clearly have a very low opinion of their victim's intelligence.

None the less, I will continue exposing this utter nonsense.

[bit_stacker]

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 3:40 PM

Hello,

You can convert the ukash from AUD to USD and drop it here for us and
we may give you 10 usd or 15 usd for it.

We shall wait for the 36hrs to clear.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 9:47 PM

My paypal funds have cleared, I'm ready for your transfer instructions.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:43 PM

Hello Christ,

Thanks so much for getting back to us. Can we know if your ready and
online now to make the transfer?

Can we hear from you soon.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:01 PM

Yes, I'm ready to do this last transfer.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:25 PM

Not sure if you got my last reply. I'm still online and waiting.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:31 PM

Hello Christ,

Ok. Can we know how much total your sending in paypal to us?

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:33 PM

To be honest, I've lost track. Isn't it $1440?

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:36 PM

Hello Christ,

Yes you got it. So are you ready now as you know we give 30mins for transfers.

Humle Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:41 PM

Yes, I'm ready now. Just let me know the right paypal email and any
other details.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:54 PM

Hello Christ,

Ok. You will read from us soon.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:57 AM

Hello Christ,

Please give us 1hrs we want to figure out the exact fee that will be
charge for this from   paypal so we know how to bear it.

Will you be here till the next 1hr?

Thanks.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 1:02 AM

I'm glad you wrote again. I'm just about to sit down for dinner with my
family. I'll check back here in one hour.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 4:00 AM

I have a long day tomorrow and I need an early start. Contact me in 10
hours, we'll try again.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 2:29 PM

Hello Chris,

Kindly send Paypal here: sidrahafeez89@yahoo.com .

Please do not add any message while sending money. Paypal fee i guess
is 88 Usd and guess its high on us.

Send us screenshot here when you have sent funds.

Let's hear from you soon.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 4:11 PM

Hello Christ,

Can we know in how many hours time you will be here because the 10hrs
you said is over and the time we do give for transfers are over also.

Reply us as soon as possible.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 4:16 PM

I've been too busy and rushed this morning but things are a little
quieter now.

To be clear, is this final payment to be $1528 ?

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 4:18 PM

I can get it done in the next 30 minutes.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 4:46 PM

I'm not sure if you got my last reply. I'm waiting for you to tell me to
go ahead.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 5:07 PM

I've had enough of this. I've got a million other things to do that
don't involve wasting time in the god damn office, waiting for someone's
blessing to send a payment. Completely fed up!

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 8:42 PM

Hello Chris,

We are deeply sorry we had some huge time difference and you didnt
reply then the time we know you for replying.

Please kindly send payment right now.

Thanks.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 8:57 PM

Hello Chris,

Yes 1528 is the final payment.
We are still waiting and once you see this mail just send the funds as
we instructed.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:01 PM

I apologise for my outburst earlier today.

I realise I've also sent an extra $60, better too much than too little.
Please keep it as a tip.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:41 PM

Hello,

Your paypal email is ###@###.net right?

Thanks.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:45 AM

Hello Christ,

The paypal money you send is under review by paypal.

Please call them and tell them you sent it by yourself dont tell them
your buying btc because they will close your account rather tell them
its for a web design service so they will conclude the review and
release the funds to us.

Waiting for your response.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

[Vortex20000]

I hope you get your money back.

Looks extremely scammy - you're probably sending money to a shill account which will forward the cash to their real account. If (or when) you get scammed and try to get your money back, PayPal will simply tell you the money cannot be refunded as the other party has it.

Happened to me once.

Anyway, I hope you either get your money or get your Bitcoins. The .blogspot domain already would turn me off.

[litecoinbtc]

Sorry, the world is full of evil.
no one knows true helper.
am out and wont comment here anymore.
sorry again.

[bit_stacker]

This are recent PMs that have been exchanged between litecoinbtc and myself:

scam issue
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: November 27, 2014, 07:56:51 AM »

hi bit_stacker, can help you recover your funds back, its gonna take time sure but i need proof.
do they ignore your mails?
how much in involved?
give some small 3 sentence summary of the deal for me here.

Re: scam issue
« Sent to: litecoinbtc on: November 27, 2014, 08:54:08 AM »

Well, I'll do my best to summarise.

In September, I found the link to their site on this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775272.0;all

Initially, they converted some Ukash to EgoPay for me. Their rate was terrible but I still thought they could be trusted after that, they didn't just steal my Ukash.

After a few emails I agreed to buy 2 bitcoin with my paypal. Before the payment cleared, they offered me 2 or 3 more bitcoin at a cheaper price and I agreed to buy 3 more, now a total of 5.

When my 2nd payment cleared, they said they would send me 10 bitcoin but I hadn't agreed to that and didn't want to spend so much money. I also didn't have that much paypal. They made some excuse, I suggested that they just refund my paypal. They said a refund would take 30 days. In that time, I was able to add more funds to my paypal account but it wasn't quite enough to pay for 10 bitcoin. Eventually I managed to pay for a total of 10 bitcoin, roughly $3500.

As my final payment was due to be cleared, they claimed to be going on holiday for a few weeks. When I heard from them again, late October / early November, they said they would need a fee of about $300 or $400 to take my bitcoin out of "cold storage" but that the fee would be refunded somehow. After all that time and all their excuses and stories I finally stopped believing them and refused to pay any more.

When I threatened to post all our email on bitcointalk they didn't seem to care but later it did seem to bother them. They tried to threaten me with charging more fees.

When I've posted all the email, people will really be able to see what kind of "business" it is.

Re: scam issue
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: November 27, 2014, 12:20:10 PM »

ok, i am now seeing something i can hold against them.
am out contacting them right away.
will give you feedback when they respond.

i sent them this to their email:


==========================================================
Subject: Scam Report on You

Wayne Delot <xxxxx@gmail.com>
to mog15223@gamil.com

Hi who ever is working or owns this service.
I am Wayne Delot from Criminal Jurisdiction Dept Interpool of New Jersey Usa.
My Staff ID Number/3454Int23/1232NJ/2S. You can verify me to know Who I am.
From my investigation I learnt your from Usa.

Can i know these few things.
1. What can you say about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856071.0
2. Which Usa state are you located in and who owns this service.
3. Why are you into scams?
4. Can this victim have his moneyback or his bitcoins back.
5. Can you give your own account of what transpired here.
you have within 24hrs to get back to me with answers.

They Replied
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: November 27, 2014, 01:13:53 PM »

they replied me so soon. i was surprise really.
below is the reply. we shall talk more when am back from work.
please do not disclose my identity to anyone. i showed you because i
want to sincerely help to know if internet scam can stop.


Smith Payments
(27 minutes ago)

to me
Hello Wayne,

We are so glad you mailed us on this. Now straight to your questions.

Can i know these few things.
1. What can you say about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856071.0
The client with name <<my real name>> and email <<my email address>> opened that on us.

2. Which Usa state are you located in and who owns this service.
We are located in Illinois and I Garry Simons own this Service with My Partner Smith.

3. Why are you into scams?
We are never into any scam. We have not scammed anyone. The only issue we have since our service started is
the issue of <<my misspelled name>>

4. Can this victim have his moneyback or his bitcoins back.
Yes His Bitcoins is ready to be sent to him once he does what we told him.

5. Can you give your own account of what transpired here.
you have within 24hrs to get back to me with answers.

I will be brief on this. <<my real name>> contacted us for ukash to egopay, it was so small amount which we do not waste time doing. It was his first time we did it and He was happy we saved him because from his mail he never know he can get something for it. We sent him egopay to his account. Then he wanted to buy bitcoins and the time he came was the time bitcoins was going up and down steadily not like now its stable. We tried to make him to use other payment methods like WU, NT, etc he was adamant on paypal. Paypal always warns to hold funds for 2-3days before releasing. Before his payment will clear our offers was off. We do explain things to him but the one that made him go mad by posting scam on us is the time he made last payment for 10 btc completion. We have gone on break then and our break occurs before the end of each year and before that payment the previous he made we told him to add extra funds he did not because of paypal fees or he should pay fee so paypal wont charge us. He said he paid but paypal charged us and we got less and we have explained our rules and policies to him. We dont send less because we keep records and fractions is what we dont want. The payment also lingered. We gave him screenshots every 2 days of paypal review. This review caused these problems. Something which could have taken 3 days or 4 days took 10 business days. When review was over we told him. By the time the review was on we kept waiting but went on break as we didn't wait anymore. We had 3 to 4 deals like his own when we came back we mailed them to update payment of 350 for us to pull the funds from cold storage because before we go on break we invest all our money in coins so we will have enough coins to sell and we got no spare funds available. We told him we need to pay cold storage company where this coins are stored we also showed him screenshot of a client who paid us 340 usd. He could not believe us again and he started saying we scammed him threatening us. we warned him of our privacy policy about posting our email in public he couldn't listen he went ahead to continue posting. we are not against him posting, he should remove our mail so we shall be secured.
We are willing and ready to send his coins but this due is what he will pay. his money was in review and this was all that caused everything.
This is much i can say for now on this issue.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

[bit_stacker]

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 1:48 PM

Hello Chris,

You dont send us paypal money and vanish without replying. Dont you
have a smart phone you can use to check your mails?

Also you should have hanged on for many hrs so we shall give statement
on your money but here we are waiting for you for over 10hrs now.

Please when you see this mail forward to our email here.
1. The email paypal sent to you when you send funds.
2. The payment is under review by paypal and thus we dont have it
cleared in our account so please call paypal, tell them you sent the
funds for web design work and you sent it legitimately and they should
release the funds to us.


Also note that your choice of payment has been a problem to this our
business and we are not happy about it.

Do what we requested above and get back to us.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Fwd: You've sent a payment

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 2:03 PM

I will try to contact paypal to find out what they have to say for themselves.
 
To answer your question, no I don't have a smart phone.
 
----- Original message -----
From: "service@paypal.com.au" <service@paypal.com.au>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Subject: You've sent a payment
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 22:55:57 -0700

PayPal
   
You sent a payment
Transaction ID: ###

Dear Chris ###,

You sent a payment for $1,588.00 USD to Whole Sale Termination.

Please note that it may take a little while for your payment to appear in the Recent Activity list on your Account Overview.
View the details of this transaction online

Your monthly account statement is available anytime; just log in to your account at https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history. To correct any errors, please contact us through our Help Centre at https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact_us.
 
Amount: $1,588.00 USD
Currency conversion: $1,871.80 AUD = $1,585.46 USD
Exchange rate: 1 AUD = 0.847025 USD
Sent on: 26 September 2014

Sincerely,
PayPal

Re: You've sent a payment

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 2:28 PM

Hello Chris,

Ok. Contact them right now and get back to us with their response.
Contacting them by phone will be the best.

Thanks.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 2:40 PM

Hello Chris,

Attached to this email shows the payment under review. We tried to get
it for you the screenshot so you will see and you will not think we
are making up stories as we never can make up anything because we love
all clients that comes here for business and we love you so much.

Contact them now and give us feedback.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

See that? They "love" me. What serious, honest business person talks like that? ffs

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 6:24 PM

Hello Chris,

Please is there any news from paypal yet? Do not be worried on this.
May be they want to make sure you sent the funds by yourself and if
you contact them and request them to complete it they will am sure.

If you need help we can surely assist in this. All we want is for the
funds to clear and after our hold period you can have your 10
Bitcoins.

Be free to contact us we shall be glad for that. Ask any question ok
so we make this business to go well and we know in just no distant
time you will be happy with your  bitcoins.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 5:10 AM

Hello Chris,

We attached again more screenshot. Not long ago we got 2,000 usd from
a client and it went right in without being reviewed. the last payment
you sent us also went well without being reviewed. Why they are doing
review on this one is what I don't know.

May be they want to hold it and wait for some times to know if any
issue will come up. That's why we told you to go to their contact us
page you will see their phone number for AU people call them and they
will release it.

We try so much to be plane to our clients and we do not and never lie here.

If you do get any question feel free to contact us.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 9:47 PM

Hello Chris,

You have not talked to us. Shall we issue a refund for the 1,588 you
sent and when you get it you will resend it again to us. With this we
thing paypal will not review it again or should we continue to hold
on?

Did they say anything to you yet?


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 7:18 AM

Hello Chris,

We have decided to wait until Monday as we know may be by monday the
funds will be released.

We shall keep you updated on this and please be helpful to us to reply
when we need your reply.

Thanks.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 2:26 PM

The timing of this latest problem is not good. I'm didn't expect any
response from paypal until after the weekend and it could still be
another day before they respond. I've also got a very unhappy
girlfriend. She thinks I'm very irresponsible for "losing money".

You suggested that you can refund my last payment but I don't understand
how. If it's being reviewed by paypal, doesn't that mean paypal have
taken it from both of us?

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 2:33 PM

Hello Chris,

No paypal has not taken it from us please. they are holding it to know if anyone will report he never authorized any payment so they can take action but i know before Monday ends they will surely release it to you or to us. if it comes to you alert us instantly and you owe us to always be on your email to take action. if it comes to us we alert you and cue your order in.

Your girl friend should never stop your business at all. Mark who owns facebook never allowed anyone stop him when he was always busy with the computer not even his girlfriend. If you get the coins and bitcoins increases up to $1,500 for one bitcoins am sure she will be asking to get some money from you.

You just have to hold on and see this order through let no one distract you and am sure we shall surely put smiles on your face.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:43 PM

Hello,

Some good news from Paypal as they told us the review will be
concluded soon or in few hours and we shall have the funds or it will
be sent to you.

Which ever way we are happy they talked to us on it.

We shall always keep you informed with progress of things.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 2:02 PM

I'm glad paypal are talking to at least one of us, they continue to
ignore me. I took these screenshots yesterday but I don't understand why
my last payment is shown as Completed given that there is a problem with
it.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 2:18 PM

Hello Chris,

Yes they are reviewing it and it will show completed to you but with
us they are trying to make sure all is ok and if truly you sent before
they can release to us. That's what I guess they are doing. Got your
screenshot and we shall keep you posted here always.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Fwd: RE: Re: Question About Payments and Funds ###

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:54 PM

Re: Ukash to EgoPay
PayPal Transaction ID: ###
 
Below is the response I got from paypal.
 
----- Original message -----
From: webform@paypal.com.au
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Question About Payments and Funds ###
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:35:55 +0000 (UTC)

Dear Chris ###,

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

Upon review, I can confirm that your payment to Whole Sale Termination on 26 September 2014 for USD $1,588.00 is already completed.

Once a payment has been completed, the funds have been credited already to the seller's PayPal account.

To help protect buyers, we sometimes review payments to make sure that they were authorised by the PayPal account holder.

    While a payment is being reviewed, we ask the seller not to ship the item.
    The payment's status is 'Pending' until our review is complete. The review process usually takes less than 24 hours.
    If we find that the payment was authorised, we tell the seller to ship the item. The payment's status changes to 'Complete.'
    If we find that the payment was not authorised, we reverse the transaction.

You may advise the recipient to contact PayPal so we can inform them why the funds are not yet available to them.

Should you have further concerns, please let us know.

Thank you for choosing PayPal.

Sincerely,
Jan
PayPal

Re: RE: Re: Question About Payments and Funds ###

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 7:22 AM

Hello Chris,

Thank you for this. in the downpart of the mail they said we should contact them so they will say why the funds are not available yet and what amazes me is they say less than 24hrs but this has taken days and into one week now.

Thanks for this mail we shall now forward it to them and wait their response.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

[bit_stacker]

Re: RE: Re: Question About Payments and Funds ###

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 1:13 PM

Hello Chris,

According to Paypal by Monday 10pm Usa time the funds will be fully in
our account. Even though we are on break now we shall get back to you
once we fully have possession of it.

We all have tried and we know this will surely come out positive. We
hope your doing Great.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:58 PM

Hello Chris,

We thank you for your patience while this payment was in Review and
until its released. Its now Completed. The payment was completed
yesterday.

We didnt get back to you because we were not in office as a result of
the break. I had to take out time from my spear time to update you so
you wont be worried at all.

When we are back from break your 10 btc will be transfered to you from
two different wallets.

Also while we are waiting to be back if you wish to make an addition
you surely can.

The long wait is because of paypal checks and balances which is not
our fault nor your fault but the fault of the payment processor which
is paypal.

Thanks again.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 8:40 PM

Hello Chris,

This is Angel the Accounts Officer of MTB
I have $650 above your order amount in my own personal btc account.
Will you like to pay the 650 then I send your order or you wait in 2weeks and 5 days when we shall be back on break.

We waited and waited for you but paypal was taking much time and it took them 10 days to complete transaction.
I want you complete your order from my own personal wallet and not that of the company.

Let me know if you have 650 usd paypal now so when I have it I complete it or if you can still wait in 2weeks and some days as I stated above your order will hence be completed.


Humble Regards,
Angel - MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 7:44 PM

I will wait.  Or you could sent me 10 bitcoin from your own account and keep the remaining amount.  Bitcoin is good like that. Fungible is the word that describes that quality of money.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:00 PM

Hello Chris,

Ok. Until we are back.
Stay cool.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

There was another email from "them" on the 18th of October but it only contained a copy of previous emails.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 2:45 AM

I'm not sure that I've given you my bitcoin address or that anyone at
MTB has asked for it.

I'll be expecting the 10 bitcoin you owe me to be paid to
### any time now.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 3:51 AM

Hello Chris,

Unless you changed your Address If you check the previous emails conversation you will know we have added your address with your name to our client database. We are still on break and when we are back we shall let you know. Also in few days we shall be announcing to all our new coming back date.

If you have any question please feel free to ask.

Humble Regards,
MTN Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 3:07 PM

Hello Christ,

We shall be back on the 12th of Nov 2014 which is the Next Wednesday. All Old orders which the delay was not caused by us will be required payment of $345 which will be remitted back to the client BTC account when sending BTC.

This is because the old order couldn't be completed before we went on break we have 7 clients this affected. Now we have many many requests and for us to raise up the funds to go back to the Old orders requires a lot and we cant do it alone thats why we fixed a payable and refundable amount of 345 usd. When you send this payment we shall use it to recycle your Coins out of cold storage and pay needed dues then the 345 will be added when sending you coins.

This is for old clients only which orders was never concluded before the break and this is not choice its a must for old clients who have pending order. To send your payment please kindly inform us now so we give you email to send to if your paying by paypal. Do not miss this chance for your order to be completed.

The above message was sent to all clients involved.
If you have any question please do feel free to ask us.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:25 PM

If you want to charge me for something, take it out of the amount I've already paid. I'm not sending anymore money to you. If that's not acceptable, then refund all of my paypal payments.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:55 PM

Hello Chris,

If you have something against us let us know.

Go back to our blog and please you will see the announcement there.
This charge is not only for you.

Secondly we dont take out anything from reserved client output order.
We dont do such.

We are starting on wednesday and please this shouldnt not bring problem at all.

We do refund and our refund policy is 60days but we refund for orders
which we got not the stock not for this type.

Please see reason with us. We told you that you wont pay anything else
but this is an overdue. We paid some of our staff extra dues to wait
behind and not go on break when we were waiting for your payment to
clear and we are not charging you for it.

Think about this again so this won't be prolonged again.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

I couldn't find any such annoucement on their blog. Not that it makes a speck of difference.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:19 AM

 > If you have something against us let us know.

I have made a number of payments to you, totalling more than $3500, and
received nothing in return. I will not continue to send good money after
bad.

 > We do refund and our refund policy is 60days but we refund for orders which we got not the stock not for this type.

Well, I also have a policy. You will pay me half of the bitcoin you owe
me now and then I will consider paying your administration / ransom fee
for the remaining amount. Until you demonstrate some actual, meaningful
good faith, I have no reason to believe you ever had any intention to
pay me.

I will not listen to any more excuses or justifications for failure to
pay. You owe me and, if you do not pay, it will be a long time before I
tire of telling people what you have done.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 1:34 AM

Hello Chris,

This is never a ransom fee. For coins to be safe in cold storage we
need to secure it and its the expensis for it. We are adding it back
to your btc.

This is official and we dont temper with any client fixed amount of
money or fixed btc.

If you pay this and we didnt send then you will have something to tell
people. We have someone who have paid 6k, 8k and also 3k and more than
they are paying the fee today as against tomorrow we shall open.

They pleaded for 24hr hold of paypal funds instead of our 72hrs and we
granted them that.

Please understand we talk to you always and will never dent our name
and image because of your business.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 1:44 PM

I have no reason to trust you. Pay me at least half of what you owe me
or refund my paypal.

This bs about making me pay a fee that you pay back to me, how stupid is
that? What is the point? You're running a scam. Everything you do, your
crummy little blog, all your communication has been dodgy and pathetic.

Pay me, refund me or go to hell.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 2:22 PM

Hello Chris,

If we run a scam here we wont be disturbing you for that amount. We told you that we assigned coins with outstanding order to out storage security. And we invested our efforts on new orders which was in cue before we resumed and all pending order which the delay was not caused by us are the people that will pay so we can foot some expenses to bring back their Alt coins and btc out from the cold storage. Cold storage means safe storage paid system so btc wont be lost because for weeks we were not working.

The best we can do is take away $100 from what we told you to pay to know we are serious in making sure your order is sorted and we wont hold the paypal for 72hrs like before its 24hrs.

We cant break out the coins which has been fixed in one wallet and send half. once we send we send once and we forget about the wallet thats how we do here as we deal in volumes and security risks are everywhere.

Please we do not run scam we have only 1 complaint from a man who wanted to take money out of us and nothing else is negative against us.
Please see reason with us. This payment is needed before we open for work because once its Wednesday 9am Usa time we open we may and can hardly give time to refix the documents for your order.

From the payment orders has made we shall have $100 to add to yours and thats why we removed $100 for you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 5:20 PM

Pay me, refund me or go to hell.
 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856071.0
 
My next move is to start putting all the communication between you, your idiot coinbuyer alias and myself into a scam thread on bitcointalk.

As it happened, a forum moderator decided to move this thread to Scam Accusations soon after I started it.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 8:28 PM

Helllo Chris,

We dont understand what you meant by coinbuyer? Is that name of a place?

No matter how you publish our name its based on your misunderstanding.

It doesnt change what we have told you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

[bit_stacker]

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:02 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=856071.0

I started this thread in Trading Discussion and so far I've only posted
a fraction of the email between yourself(s) and myself.

bitcointalk site admin have since moved the thread to Scam Accusations.
I wonder why?

By the way, if you're going to maintain that you're part of a legitimate
business, I want your boss's contact information. You people owe me a
lot of money and time.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 8:15 PM

Hello Chris,

There is nothing we hate than people having our email put in public. That email is email to our btc account and email to our over 8 ecurrencies where thousands of funds are and if anything should happen to it, we shall hold you responsible.

You never mentioned where you reported us that paypal held the funds for 10 days. We have never seen such delays in paypal. highest we have seen is 3 to 5 days not this too far.

We have told you the amount to pay and for making our email to be in the open we have hence decided to fine you $100 on this. Your coins is in a separated wallet ready to be sent when the amount we stipulated is paid.

Honestly we should have sorted you out but you said you wont pay the half of $350 which other has paid and gotten also in BTC because that's the fee for cold storage security. We even offered you to pay half but the half fee is no longer existing.

Please pay up we plead with you so this can end and stop lingering. If you pay up and never get anything then you will have the cause to report us anywhere. I am honestly pleading with you.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Oh, look! They hate me!

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:17 PM

> There is nothing we hate than people having our email put in public.
 
Your email is already publicly available via your blog.
 
> You never mentioned where you reported us that paypal held the funds for 10 days.
 
I am posting all our email cronologically, I'm not finished yet.
 
You owe me 10 bitcoin. If you want any more money from me, pay me at least 5 bitcoin now.
 
Also, if you really have my bitcoin in a separate wallet, prove it. Tell me the wallet payment address so that I can verify what you've told me by checking with blockchain.info
 
I still want your boss's contact information. I want proof that you actually operate a legitimate business. Currently, I have absolutely no proof of this.
 
If you won't pay me the bitcoin you owe, refund my paypal. Do this and I won't contact you again and I will also delete my posts about you on bitcointalk and apologise on bitcointalk.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 4:08 PM

Hello Chris,

We love you and we shall never do anything to offend you. here we have high level of security. Our email is in blog yes. anyone who comes to blog has mind to do business. only few comes for evil acts. but putting our email in public forum where many visit every 1 minute and also from many countries is a big risk for us. You can post what your posting but please remove our email like you did yours. If we may ask why didn't you show your mail? this case is the case we take up so much with our lawyers. we don't want to do it with you.

We attached screenshot of 2k paypal which was transaction we did for a client and again also screenshot of $340 paypal funds paid by a client for the fee we are asking you off. Paypal is so hard to exchange and since then e have been sincere to you and also here we attached moneypak trades of 3.8k and 6k usd which we have done. We can only show this because in support am allowed to show this only cant show others.

The blockchain our management is against it. Our BTC wallets always have huge coins and we don't and do not allow it in the open for security reasons. Also here is screenshot showing when your payment was in pending which caused all these problems.

Please we plead with you once this money is paid coins will be released to you from cold storage. Posting such in forum is breaching our privacy agreement and we may never send your coins if we take this up with our legal advisers and see its so bad.
We are ready to send your coins same day when this payment is made.

We have explained many times we don't scam. Check on us you wont see anywhere anyone said we scammed him or her. check btc-e.com and see they have many reports still clients do business we only have one issue which is your issue and yours happened for a reason. Please bear with us and let this be done and all will be glad. you never did anything wrong in doing business with us please be yourself and do this so everyone will be happy doing business. Thanks.

Damn, now they love me again.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 2:02 PM

Hello Chris,

I personally can swear that we do not want anything funny about your order. In the forum where you posted about us any time you make a post and say someone is scam they will join and echo same thing. its how people behave in public.

Please We have removed the fine only the $350. The client we gave you the screenshot paid $340 he begged us as its the last money he have in his account. We can allow $250 for you because one client overpaid us so we use that to add up and reduce rate for you. Please we really want this to end and we wont hold funds for 3 days but in 24hrs you will get your BTC.

If you send the 250 and we don't send it then know we are scam. We can never be scam and have never scammed anyone.
Please understand.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 6:08 PM

I have an additional option for you to conclude our trade.
 
Will you pay the 10 bitcoin you owe me to an escrow provider?  If you will do that, I will pay your fee to the escrow provider who will then forward my payment to you and forward the bitcoin to me. I will pay the escrow provider for their service.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 9:47 PM

Hello Chris,

You sent us over $3000 without escrow and not at any time did we stop talking to you.
If you can understand that we put your coins in cold paid storage service. If you pay us we pay the company then within 1hr the company will send us btc we contact you and then send to you. We inform you once 5 confirmations occur.

We told you to pay 350 usd which is the fee for everyone who's order delayed without our making. We told you to also pay 250 usd because we have excess funds of one client. We cant use escrow because we are full company and the btc is not with us. Its with a service where it is being safeguarded. If you pay we update the money we have for you and send it to them then they will release within 1hr. We have no spear funds except some spear few 0.85 btc which we use to add to clients funds when they buy btc here.

We plead again and again with you please let this end right now. What we promise you is Maximum 4hrs. Send the funds as Service which you have been sending as before then if after 4hrs you don't get BTC Open dispute with paypal. If your account cannot open dispute then find someone who you can send the paypal to who will send to us and if after 3hrs you dont get btc then he opens case.

Normaly this is supposed to take 24hrs but I have to reduce it to 4hrs for you to know we are more than willing to end this trade. If you take the 4hrs offer then the full 350 usd will be paid. We also told you when sending the btc it will be calculated in btc minus paypal fee and sent back to you.

Please all this issues your thinking we are having is not worth it. Please understand us and this will end in just 4hrs.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
To: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 2:48 AM

The purpose of escrow is to resolve lack of trust. Neither of us risk anything by using escrow. You claim to have 10 bitcoin for me but I don't believe you but you can prove it by sending it to a trusted escrow provider. If I fail to provide your fee payment to the escrow provider, they will return the bitcoin to you.
Are you refusing to use an encrow to resolve our trade?

Re: Ukash to EgoPay

From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 4:10 AM

Hello Chris,

We are a registered company business. If we are using escrow then we are not supposed to open business at all. Escrow is for individuals who have no basis and who you do not know. You cant go to btc-e or bitstamp to buy coins and ask them of escrow. If we keep using escrow for over 234 deals we have done in 3 months it means we wont have done up to 50 and we would have closed this business.

We shall never and will never use escrow. I also told you that your 10 btc is in cold storage and the storage service we pay for it. When you pay us we pay them. Hack can come at anytime when we went on break because many have been trying to hack us so we dont want to risk anything we ols off all our coins and yours and 4 people own was put in cold storage and we pay for it.

Please we pleading with you. Your paying with paypal and we gave you 4hrs. Paypal will advice you hold funds for 2-3 days but we shall only hold for 3hrs then in 4hrs pay the cold storage company and get your coins out. Everything will not exceed 4hrs. Do not mind many people telling you your money is gone this and that, they will end up saying we are scam but we never scammed you at all and we never had any issue with anyone apart from you.

An investigating officer contacted us on your behalf asked us questions and we answered and many people have been sending us mails to click a link and upgrade our account on coinbase and blockchain thinking we use them. This is as a result of how you have posted our email on public forum.

We are not happy with it but we know your not happy also and that's why we never got angry with it. Please ask for our paypal email send the paypal if after 4hrs you don't get it open dispute with paypal.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

[bitpop]

Haha they'll burn in Hell

DO NOT SEND MORE!

Tell those scum you'll delete this post for 9 btc

[WorstAimEver]

You could just tell them to deduct the cold-storage fee from the BTC amount owed to you. But I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not going to do that.

[bitpop]

You could just tell them to deduct the cold-storage fee from the BTC amount owed to you. But I'm going to take a wild guess and say they're not going to do that.

This is never a ransom fee. For coins to be safe in cold storage we
need to secure it and its the expensis for it. We are adding it back
to your btc.

This is official and we dont temper with any client fixed amount of
money or fixed btc

[bit_stacker]

It's as if they've never used bitcoin before, or they think I haven't.

But then again, they are a registered company business.

[FirestarterX]

Open dispute with PayPal? They'll almost always support you, the buyer.

[bit_stacker]

These are the PMs between coinbuyer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357816) and myself:

coinbuyer
   
bitc
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 01, 2014, 03:37:15 PM »

Hello,

Sorry for your loss have lost money with some sites and also in this forum so since then i became careful. I deal with registered companies and i search them in google to make sure they are clean.

the site you dealt with autoxchanger has lots of complaints online had it been you checked you would never have tried it.

I have 2 companies who are certified and i have been with them for 4 months and then 1 month and they have not failed. one is ecurrencyxchanga.com they have great support and very wonderful with the best btc rates around.

also another is wm-center.es they have good works and good service also.

sorry if my advice was not good for you but I just felt i should help.

Thanks.

bit_stacker

Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 17, 2014, 07:25:46 PM »

I posted in your thread a couple of times in the last week or so.

Have you used moneypaktobitcoin before? I finally managed to start a trade with them (my paypal for their bitcoin) but I've just gotten an email trying to explain some kind of problem or delay... I'll copy the email to you if you like.

coinbuyer

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 17, 2014, 09:02:31 PM »

Hi, yes i have done trade with all the site i posted there and moneypak to bitcoin seems to be accepting everything and doing all trade. What is the problem they said? I think they are jack of all trade....doing all business of money...they gave me 20minutes order because i got some btc from them with kind of neteller they refered me to for urgent trade. Tell me your problem let me see and may be also ask them.

bit_stacker

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 17, 2014, 11:58:44 PM »

Thanks for replying. I've just gotten some more emails from them... I'll copy them to you as a PM in about 15 minutes or so.

bit_stacker

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 18, 2014, 12:43:43 AM »

Re: Ukash to EgoPay
From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:11 PM

Hello,

Your order completion date has been scheduled at Friday 11am Usa time.

Should you have any question please feel free to ask. While your order
is in cue if you want to make another order you can go ahead.

Humble Regards,
MTB Support.


Re: Ukash to EgoPay
From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 3:05 PM

Hello Chris,

Thank you for your mail. We are grateful to hear from you swiftly.
Bitcoins is going down again and again and the rate it will rise will
surprise everyone. So what we advice clients is if they have the funds
now let them surely invest in BTC. Are you from NSW in AU? We have had
some few clients from there and only 1 used Western Union others Used
Neteller.

We shall accept your paypal and can we know in how many hrs now your
money will clear? Also we had much work today because a client was
buying 88 coins and another from Argentina buying 94 coins. Orders of
10 btc are many also. Can you think of giving 10 a try? can you do
that if not then leave it at 5 because the 4 has been taken.

We don't really know the time in AU your available on system so our
replies and talking can be fast.

Thanks.


Re: Ukash to EgoPay
From: Smith Payments <mog15223@gmail.com>
To: bit_stacker <###@###.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 3:35 PM

Hello Chris,

Also note we will agree on final amount and request for paypal email
before sending funds.
We are waiting to hear from you soon.

Humble Regards.
MTB Support.

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coinbuyer

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 18, 2014, 12:54:36 AM »

Hi, Ok...got your message with them...i think if i can ask...did they say they will hold your funds for some days if so how many? again did they say they will send btc when you send them paypal instant?

bit_stacker

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 18, 2014, 01:03:23 AM »

They said they would hold my paypal until Friday (the 19th). These emails are telling me that that don't reuse wallets and that they no longer have any wallets with a small enough balance to pay me but they do still have some 5 bitcoin wallets. They said this is some kind of security precaution. I've just told them I am willing to pay for 3 more bitcoin. Waiting for their reply.

coinbuyer

Re: Your thread: Buying Bitcoins With Paypal and Other
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 18, 2014, 01:15:05 AM »

scammers will not like to verify funds from customer but i think they are doing such showing they are good. i never did paypal with them. everyone on net is scared....to do ..paypal but since they are doing it i think they are...good with the rules i read..so i advice do not fear continue.... i got btc from neteller with them and they are the best to me....

coinbuyer

hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 18, 2014, 11:33:45 PM »

hey what progress you got....on your deal with them... besides am pock-nosing around looking for desperate person who gonna sell.....the bitcoins really at amount less the 400's like 360 or 370....you know anywhere...or forum or site i gonna...get that....

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 18, 2014, 11:58:45 PM »

I'm still positive about this transaction but I still have to get a few extra $ to them, there's been issues at my end but they put me up to a 5 bitcoin purchase from the original two we agreed on. The bulk of the money is already paid to them...

I'm going to copy their last email to you again - please don't mention it to anyone...  Their longer emails always confuse me...

***

Hello Chris,

That's good news. Honestly the last few Hrs at least 10hrs ago
something has really happened because of bitcoins downfall. We no
longer allow small payments. also regular sales of 1 btc and 2 btc not
allowed at the moment. currently total the bitcoins we brought out to
sell is 322 then we also do have buying orders which we confirm and
balance up but no one is buying so much except many hundreds of orders
to sell. today again currently in line btc needed is 80 just within
7hrs. Even if its $100 or order completion money its not allowed.

Our director made this known. It means accepting low amount will take
much time to reconcile with old amount and also damage our ecurrency
account statement. I am currently working on a memo to seek exception
for you and 1 other client on that who have completion amounts to do.

Really many 10btc orders and 20btc orders are here a lot. This is
because bitcoins rate decreased and if you check our blog you see the
new rate. We are also giving out 10 btc @ $370 currently and 20 btc at
$350 because the rate is going down and in terms of cheap btc we are
in lead.

So it doesn't mean we shall not take your ukash if it works but it
means we have to take the ukash and again work out something
spectacular which the payment will not be short by any amount.

Am trying to seek an exception whereby we take the ukash completion
and complete your order and I will issue a memo on this and I do hope
its being granted so please hold on.

If you have questions please do feel free to ask.


Humble Regards,
MTB Support.

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[bit_stacker]

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 19, 2014, 12:07:45 AM »

can i just ask one rhetorical question....?
how much have you given to them in all till right now.....
again how many btc coins you wish to get from them....

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 19, 2014, 12:19:32 AM »

When this started a few days ago, the price we agreed on was $430 / btc and they offered me 2 btc for my paypal. Due to the time it takes for paypal to clear, they didn't hold that order but were able to offer me 5 btc. So I had to pay for an addition 3 btc. I'm about $US60 short of the full amount due to paypal fees and multiple transactions etc. And I'm currently stuck waiting for more funds to clear in my paypal account... And then there's the trouble I'm having with Ukash... That was supposed to be a stop-gap, instant method for me to pay them but one of my new ukash vouchers failed... Ukash support tell me to just wait a few more hours to use the voucher so I wait...

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 19, 2014, 12:26:06 AM »

i kinda understand....one things here... you now seeking to buy 5 btc because of some kind conditions or circumstance....

advice...
1. in btc buying make sure you use flexible payment method which will go straight without issues to your merchant....
2. make sure you never delay in payment to them when rate is agreed. it happens even in bitstamp, btc-e rate changes when payment got delayed.....
3. this rate you gave here they gave you that .... for real....why arent you buying 20 or 30 btc off them then.....than do small 2 to 5...kinda order now btc is low....

now do you permit me to ask them if they can give me rate they give you...and will give reference to you....i think i like the rate may be can go straight to do....15btc buy with them...... i think you got the best chance many are looking for getting these coins low...... so reply me now...

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 19, 2014, 12:56:28 AM »

I hear what you're saying. Actually, it was your post that put me onto them. I'm sure they'll tell you the same prices they've been telling me if you contact them to make an order. I think they have a lot of people selling bitcoin to them and not so many buyers at the moment so go ahead and do a deal. I'll be interested to know any details if you want to share them.

I think I'm ok despite the payment delays due to bitcoin's falling price. I would be interested in buying more but I'm content to wait for this transaction to complete before going any further.

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 19, 2014, 01:22:21 AM »

good...when home from my work will gonna shoot them a mail...i searched them again in google and bing and no one...has reported any scam or fraud against them....so i think even if you give them kind of $50,000 you should go and.....sleep because its safe in their hands and they...gonna give you the business you .....came for.

let me know..anytime they get back to you...or you guys conclude on something.....

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 19, 2014, 08:39:23 PM »

My money getting ready so soon...dont wana contact them when money is not ready.....when money ready talk to them then pay in five mins....and get coins....how is your deal with them then...

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 20, 2014, 01:07:37 AM »

My trade is still pending but I think I've finally managed to fully pay for the 5 bitcoin they bumped me up to. I ran my paypal account right down but there was still some small discrepancy and I offered Ukash because it was available to me and I thought it would be quick. Trouble is, Ukash sucks, that little extra payment took an extra day (because my ukash.com account has some bullshit limitation on it) and cost me more than it should have. But I think the rest of this trade is now up to them.

They *really* push Neteller, is that what you're using?

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 20, 2014, 09:12:47 AM »

Yeah i use neteller...with them so much.....its instant when i pay neteller and can send over....4000 euro neteller at once...using neteller. Have your coins gone to your walet .....from them....or you still....got issue with payments?....

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 20, 2014, 09:14:41 AM »

Yeah i use neteller...with them so much.....its instant when i pay neteller and can send over....4000 euro neteller at once...using neteller. Have your coins gone to your walet .....from them....or you still....got issue with payments?....

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 20, 2014, 09:21:42 AM »

I just got a slightly confusing email from them but I think they're ready to go ahead with my bitcoin payment.

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 20, 2014, 09:31:57 AM »

Your free to tell me ...then...may be i can advice.....

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 20, 2014, 09:38:48 AM »
   Reply with quoteQuote ReplyReply Remove this messageDelete
My order has been a little complicated and they're very busy with a lot of people trying to sell bitcoin due to the price dropping to $400

I will just be patient but I'll let you know how it goes.

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 20, 2014, 09:55:38 AM »

Thats coly wonderful then.

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 20, 2014, 02:12:46 PM »

Was kindly given 20 btc at 370...that's the rate they gave you?....

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 20, 2014, 09:01:11 PM »

That's interesting... They asked me not to discuss the rate in an earlier email. When I contacted them I agreed to buy 2 bitcoin, by the time my paypal payment to them cleared there was some problem and they convinced me to buy an extra 3 bitcoin... I had difficulty getting the full payment to them but that's been done now. But now they're trying to convince me to pay for an extra 5 bitcoin... Where does it end? I feel bad about this. I'm not sure if I can trust them...

bit_stacker

Re: hey
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 20, 2014, 09:55:39 PM »

I realise this is a lot to ask someone that doesn't know me in real life but, if you're prepared to share the transaction id or your wallet address they paid into so that I can verify it on blockchain.info, I'd feel much better about dealing with these MTB people.

Sorry to keep going on about this but they've got me quite worried.

coinbuyer

Re: hey
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 21, 2014, 12:10:15 AM »

Sure....will give you blockchain to check but i asked them rate........my money has not hit exchanges and so not ready yet....

My kind observation...from your issue with them is....payment method which you used........it caused you problem and also caused them problem....

All i know is....they cannot run away with any money.....i can give them 1million usd and sleep well...yeah and yeah because the way tey talk to me has special spirit.... Telling me they are good before i did...my first orer....

I advice you try them as they told you.......then do your part which they requested....may be leave the rest for them.....am sure they wont fail....at all...

Or you may work out other payment method....with them but anyway keep me update....gonna go have some curfew now.....

coinbuyer

bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 21, 2014, 08:05:41 PM »

oh yeah dude...whats up....your order is my concern...progress step is where.....?

bit_stacker

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 21, 2014, 08:17:54 PM »

They seem to be insisting that I pay for an additional 5 bitcoin and promise that they won't ask me to pay for any extra after this. They also mention that their staff will be having a break at the end of the month due to the high volumes of trade they've been dealing with lately. To be blunt, I don't feel good about this. They also said that if I wanted a refund, it would take 30 days before they could do that "due to their policy". I don't like it.

I put their email address into a search engine (I should try a few more) and got this link but was blocked from seeing it: www.pastebin.com/m8kuES3d but I don't think it's good. Can you check it out? I'll try it again too.

coinbuyer

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 21, 2014, 08:25:12 PM »

oh yeah yeah i know such link i asked them of it they told me its a bad person from lebanon who told them to give him...$500 or he will go about posting bad things on them....the person posted without any proof them...but they got lawyer and sued the site ''pastebin'' to court and pastebin having no proof blocked it....

i search them always everyday and i ask questions and what they explained means to me is true.....

i think you never commited any big amount....if i can say anytin yet i will say u go ahead complete money wit them....they will deliver...am sure....i got no doubt on them...

bit_stacker

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 21, 2014, 08:29:48 PM »

I wan't blocked from seeing that link just now but the page has been removed. The search result had a summary though:

ecurrencyxchanga.com ripper scammer website - Pastebin.com
Sep 5, 2014 ... ecurrencyxchanga.com fraud exchanger. mog15223@gmail.com SAME SCAMMER running the above website. create a new version of this ...
www.pastebin.com/m8kuES3d

bit_stacker

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 21, 2014, 08:32:38 PM »

Have you completed a trade with them in the past?

coinbuyer

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 21, 2014, 08:38:59 PM »

yes sure..i told you i bought 7 from them before when coins was sold at 600 usd.
they person they told me got to know them from this forum where their site was recommended.

i am also not seeing the link.they told me about it and told me the site was sued and told me how it happened... so i am not worried on that.

what you need to know is btc-e has many complaints on them you can check in google...but bitcoinstomoneypak does not except that one which is its true should not have been removed.

i bot coins from them before i told you long ago then...all the sites i pasted there i have dealt with them in one way or the other but the blog to me is the best sure....

coinbuyer

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 21, 2014, 11:38:14 PM »

if i may ask...this is your first deal with them....?

bit_stacker

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: coinbuyer on: September 22, 2014, 01:30:56 AM »

It's my first bitcoin purchase. Just before I decided to try buying bitcoin from them, I used them to exchange a Ukash voucher to EgoPay.

coinbuyer

Re: bittttcccccoooiiinnnnssss..........
« Sent to: bit_stacker on: September 22, 2014, 05:07:15 AM »

I know in the ukash to egopay....they delayed but they paid...so you see they cant and can never stop paying...for me they are simply one of the best...

Since they did tell you what to do for...order to be complete...i guess do it. If you got the money now...send to them....you may try other payment method...can be of help for you...if you need...they will send your coin and at last...sure you gonna be happy.

[Tomatocage]

I'm not sure whether you've realized yet that coinbuyer was actually the one scamming you.

[bit_stacker]

It took a while but I figured out that coinbuyer was full of it some time back.

It ain't much for the price but I'm pretty ammused that this thread is in the top search results for "moneypaktobitoin". I hope others are more cautious than me and take the time to do a search before making the same mistake.