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even if the deposit is to a personal account and that owner doesnt sell?
Exchange users don't own the coins they deposit. Deposits go to one big pot (shared wallet) and all internal exchange buys/sells/transfers are just database transactions. So after coins have visited an exchange it's impossible to tell who they belong to. A deposit to an exchange address should be assumed to be a dead end in any blockchain research. Likely those coins were sold, but could also be withdrawn and you wouldn't know it because the withdrawal would come from a completely different address. Exchanges are reasonably good coin mixers. This is going to change and soon. I know that NASDAQs exchange will have individual wallets for every account. I predict that the Authorities, partly because of douchebags, will demand it from all exchanges if they want to do business with Americans. I am a bit unsure of exactly how exchanges, Cryptsy in particular does this. I know for sure that they generate a real unique Blockchain address for each account's deposits for each coin, so you can see deposits to an account. However, you can generate new addresses at will, so an account may have many deposit addresses associated with it. I *think* any deposit will remain in the unique address until the account holder opens up the exchange for that particular coin, perhaps even requiring placing an order, before the coins are moved into the pooled coins in the main Cryptsy account, meaning that whoever deposited that 1,000 XPY has not tried to move them yet. I could of course be wrong about this, if someone has some XPY to deposit and check this we would know for sure. I'm withdrawing one xpy to PNXPSwfJVZD8itRp5Q3pQuDrnQsTZdVw7F now, will transfer back soon as it comes in and report. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?486095.htmEdit: still waiting for blockchain to sync. |
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suchmoon (OP)
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March 30, 2015, 07:50:16 PM |
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I am a bit unsure of exactly how exchanges, Cryptsy in particular does this. I know for sure that they generate a real unique Blockchain address for each account's deposits for each coin, so you can see deposits to an account. However, you can generate new addresses at will, so an account may have many deposit addresses associated with it. I *think* any deposit will remain in the unique address until the account holder opens up the exchange for that particular coin, perhaps even requiring placing an order, before the coins are moved into the pooled coins in the main Cryptsy account, meaning that whoever deposited that 1,000 XPY has not tried to move them yet. I could of course be wrong about this, if someone has some XPY to deposit and check this we would know for sure.
No, movements inside the exchange have nothing to do with the account holder. You deposit the coins, you get an entry in the database for that, exchange then sweeps those coins into a cold wallet or sends to someone else who may have requested a withdrawal. The actual algorithm how they they determine what stays online and what goes to the cold wallet might differ from one exchange to another, so that might explain why some deposits stay in the address longer than others. One thing I'm not sure is how the blockchain explorer determines which addresses belong to exchanges. You might want to try to find that out because that affects the accuracy of what you're doing. |
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March 30, 2015, 07:58:07 PM |
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One thing I'm not sure is how the blockchain explorer determines which addresses belong to exchanges. You might want to try to find that out because that affects the accuracy of what you're doing.
To answer my own question - the explorer is not doing this well. One of my recent deposit addresses is NOT labeled as "Cryptsy", but when I click on the "Guesstimated wallet" it does show as belonging to Cryptsy along with a ton of other addresses: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?163252.htm |
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March 30, 2015, 07:59:09 PM |
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I thought that exchanges had a single , or maybe few, wallets for each coin, and then deposit addresses are generated from that wallet. Here is a(the?) Paycoin Cryptsy wallet: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?29868.htmHere is the address where the "stolen" 1,000 XPY is still sitting. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?78515.htm it is #20 in the address list for that Cryptsy wallet. It says there are ~13,000 addresses for this wallet, with only 32 currently having >0 XPY in them. Like I said , I *think* a new address is generated for the main Cryptsy wallet for each account, and more if that account user requests new ones. How the deposits are moved to the main (pooled) addresses is unclear to me. |
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dave01
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March 30, 2015, 08:00:29 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
Well done shit pasters
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AnimoEsto
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March 30, 2015, 08:07:06 PM |
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All,
As I have a few log files of my own, I am also in search of any files that may have been gleaned from the GAWMiners Groups, Leaked Emails (with intact headers or anything else you feel may be useful) - please feel free to PM me directly about this. (I missed the groups leak and I cant be bothered to trawl back 1,400 pages).
The reason I am asking for these files, is that I have received a file transfer request for my logs, from the Securities and Exchange Comission, and would like to put together as much as possible so that they have a clear understanding of exactly what GAW Miners and Josh Garza have been upto.
Thanks in advance
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Fargo
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March 30, 2015, 08:09:48 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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Agreed, look at all these stupid fudders using the blockchain to prove Josh is guilty. Everyone knows the blockchain can be edited just like wikipedia. |
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dave01
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March 30, 2015, 08:14:37 PM |
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These guys are pointless retards and do not realize they are harming the whole crypto world as they pedal this conspiracy shit bike down shitty hill.
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March 30, 2015, 08:15:04 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
Well done shit pasters
Agreed, look at all these stupid fudders using the blockchain to prove Josh is guilty. Everyone knows the blockchain can be edited just like wikipedia.OMG, what you are doing in crypto? |
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dave01
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March 30, 2015, 08:15:31 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
Well done shit pasters
Agreed, look at all these stupid fudders using the blockchain to prove Josh is guilty. Everyone knows the blockchain can be edited just like wikipedia.OMG, what you are doing in crypto? More than you |
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Revelation
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March 30, 2015, 08:16:13 PM |
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These guys are pointless retards and do not realize they are harming the whole crypto world as they pedal this conspiracy shit bike down shitty hill.
Hey Dave, How is your XPY investment doing? Did you manage do buy BMW from the windfall of profits? |
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suchmoon (OP)
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March 30, 2015, 08:16:53 PM |
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I thought that exchanges had a single , or maybe few, wallets for each coin, and then deposit addresses are generated from that wallet. Here is a(the?) Paycoin Cryptsy wallet: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?29868.htmHere is the address where the "stolen" 1,000 XPY is still sitting. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/address.dws?78515.htm it is #20 in the address list for that Cryptsy wallet. It says there are ~13,000 addresses for this wallet, with only 32 currently having >0 XPY in them. Like I said , I *think* a new address is generated for the main Cryptsy wallet for each account, and more if that account user requests new ones. How the deposits are moved to the main (pooled) addresses is unclear to me. I think those two are the same: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?29868.htm (your link) https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/wallet.dws?163252.htm (my link) Not sure why they have two different IDs on that site. And yes, you can generate any number of addresses for deposits (at least on Cryptsy). |
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March 30, 2015, 08:17:05 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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You sir are an idiot lol Where is GAW coming here to refute this stuff? (with proof) |
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dave01
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March 30, 2015, 08:19:03 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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You sir are an idiot lol Where is GAW coming here to refute this stuff? (with proof) Why would they? it has no basis its pure shit |
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March 30, 2015, 08:21:27 PM |
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These guys are pointless retards and do not realize they are harming the whole crypto world as they pedal this conspiracy shit bike down shitty hill.
Colonel, is that you? |
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dave01
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March 30, 2015, 08:22:45 PM |
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These guys are pointless retards and do not realize they are harming the whole crypto world as they pedal this conspiracy shit bike down shitty hill.
Colonel, is that you? No |
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March 30, 2015, 08:23:06 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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You sir are an idiot lol Where is GAW coming here to refute this stuff? (with proof) Why would they? it has no basis its pure shit...because, you know, blockchain can be amended, just like wikipedia. |
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jimmothy
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March 30, 2015, 08:23:11 PM |
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Why would they? it has no basis its pure shit
I can't tell if you're really a delusional paycoiner, or just a convincing troll. Either way, the only thing here that's pure shit are your posts. As insaneminer from GH put nicely: "No premine, we'll mine for our coins just like everyone else" - lie
Hashlets will "Never expire and always be profitable" - lie
Valutbreakers - lie
Prime Hashlets will be able to mine SHA-256 - lie
Prime Hashlets will be the only ones mining XPY PoW phase - lie
HashBase - lie
AmpStore is coming soon - lie
Hybrid-thermal-rubber-rabbit-flux-chain BTC2 capabilities - lie
Orion nodes with higher payouts - lie
Paybase debit card - lie
Paybase Amazon, WallMart and co - lie
Paybase BillPay - lie
Paybase thousands of merchants on board - lie
XPY $20 floor - lie
World leading coin development team hired - lie
CAF (Coin Adoption Fund) - lie
$100 Million Fiat reserve - lie
We're moving the market - lie
GAW "bought" BTC.com for $1 Million dollar - lie
GAW bought ZenCloud for $8 Million dollar - lie
We'll destroy all the test coins once we've finished debugging - lie
premier accounts on paybase will go out in a week - lie
hundreds of coinstand invites are going out in the next few hours - lie
Honors program will buy back coins at 20$ - lie
Prime Hashlets will no longer be sold after a certain date - lie |
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March 30, 2015, 08:23:24 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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You sir are an idiot lol Where is GAW coming here to refute this stuff? (with proof) Why would they? it has no basis its pure shit And why is it pure shit? gonna go cry to your moderated forums that the big mean people told you that you are a retard and can't provide any proof to say that what they are telling you is pure shit and you are part of a cult? I guess it's much better to be spoon-fed shit directly from someones ass than to do your own research. |
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March 30, 2015, 08:28:41 PM |
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1400 + pages of pure shit.
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You sir are an idiot lol Where is GAW coming here to refute this stuff? (with proof) Why would they? it has no basis its pure shit...because, you know, blockchain can be amended, just like wikipedia. There it is right there you dumb fuck, your whole argument blown to shit Thanks Logic and irony are apparently not your strong sides. Hmmmm, I wonder if it is your investment acumen that makes you a man. |
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