GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[inspirone1]

Who is BigWoody?  Are they on the payroll or something... they're completely fighting against charge backs  ( https://hashtalk.org/user/bigwoody )

Not sure but if people file chargebacks against the ex-resellers that will screw us badly.  Most resellers had to wire money to GAW or use BTC to buy stock so we have no way to charge most of that back to GAW.

Something to keep in mind.

I understand that, but you resellers need to be putting together a class action suit already in hopes of getting paid out of SEC activities. It sucks to be in the middle, but you did sell the 'product.'  So... why don't you resellers get together with the defrauded customers (GAW defrauded) and jointly register a class action against GAW Miners and Stu?

Believe me, I know it sucks to be a reseller in that position, but part of being a reseller is deciding what to sell.

 I have been in the middle of this before where the problem is not with me but with the company manufacturing a product and not standing behind it. In the end the person accepting payment is responsible and you really need to figure that into you overhead as it is a known risk. I eat about 80k a year due to this but in the end I still make a profit.

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[paulh691]

good news for those who bought hashlets and cashtakers with credit cards

> I just called my CC co to check on this. I haven't filed a claim yet but when I mentioned GAW they said, oh OK time limit will not apply due to investigation and that they are
> already processing over 1500 chargeback requests for GAW.
> since no product was actually "delivered" virtually all can be refunded

There is a guide on how to properly start a chargeback for Hashlets at https://forum.gethashing.com/t/gaw-legal-credit-and-consumer-protection-rights-thread/2878

it seems 1,500 is just for one member bank, they will most likely dispute all transactions on customers behalf and they have "real" legal teams

[systematicdeception]

good news for those who bought hashlets and cashtakers with credit cards

> I just called my CC co to check on this. I haven't filed a claim yet but when I mentioned GAW they said, oh OK time limit will not apply due to investigation and that they are
> already processing over 1500 chargeback requests for GAW.
> since no product was actually "delivered" virtually all can be refunded

There is a guide on how to properly start a chargeback for Hashlets at https://forum.gethashing.com/t/gaw-legal-credit-and-consumer-protection-rights-thread/2878

it seems 1,500 is just for one member bank, they will most likely dispute all transactions on customers behalf and they have "real" legal teams

The only thing worse than a toxic community cult, is one where members alienate and ridicule those who are beginning to 'wake up' and consider their options for remediation (charge backs).

MESSAGE TO HT'er @fightforyourlife: Just because you're ok with getting screwed over doesn't mean others have to be ok with it too. Let them seek their own remediation and STFU.

[coinits]

good news for those who bought hashlets and cashtakers with credit cards

> I just called my CC co to check on this. I haven't filed a claim yet but when I mentioned GAW they said, oh OK time limit will not apply due to investigation and that they are
> already processing over 1500 chargeback requests for GAW.
> since no product was actually "delivered" virtually all can be refunded

There is a guide on how to properly start a chargeback for Hashlets at https://forum.gethashing.com/t/gaw-legal-credit-and-consumer-protection-rights-thread/2878

it seems 1,500 is just for one member bank, they will most likely dispute all transactions on customers behalf and they have "real" legal teams

Sink the fucker.

[coinits]

[alienesb]

Yip one of them are mine.I believe the amount of chargebacks could cost him his ability to have a Visa/mastercard  account

Which bank?

[Buckeye2015]

So.... now there are threads being left to run wild.... does anyone else suspect all the mods have been fired and garza is in the wind? I think we need to complain to the producers of this show if they're letting a major charactor off that easy... garza should have to still show up and participate, otherwise the spell will wear off from the hashtalk crew and that will suck. I was hoping this show would go through the end of summer...

[KeyserSoze]

I have concerns they will not be able to support the promised $00.20 floor.

[Buckeye2015]

Calm down... Garza just getting himself some traveling money...

[ladrx]

Last 24 hours volume on mineral.com = .067 BTC = $14.90

"World's fastest growing Bitcoin exchange"

Ahh.... you don't get credit for that one... Mineral has been broke for a while now... not sure how it has any 24hr stats at this point.

Can I LOL at it being broke instead? 'Cause I am

[Paul Revere]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36588/idea-to-make-xpy-dumping-having-less-effect-on-the-price/18
Archive: https://archive.today/vG6Gr

Attaboy, Quint! Hang on and ride it out, Bro!

[Buckeye2015]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36588/idea-to-make-xpy-dumping-having-less-effect-on-the-price/18
Archive: https://archive.today/vG6Gr

Attaboy, Quint! Hang on and ride it out, Bro!

From the coin that will change the world!... to the equiv of a kidney stone!.... in.oh.va.shun, it's GAWsum!

[rawbot]

LoL why do people even think this can be salvaged? Remember this whole scheme is to fraud. Printing money from thin air. Its main goal is for a few of ppl who is in controll of the whole system.

What does this coin even solve? If there is a feature we like we can always make a side chain to bitcoin block chain. These "web 2.0" of bitcoin are getting ridiculous hence scammers every where.

This is what alarms me the most. Paycoin was created as a scam, by a criminal fraudster. The events of the last 4 months have been mind blowing,  yet we have had highly respected and prominent people in the crypto community (such as themage) openly wanting to join forces with teamXPY (Who have shown themselves to be no better than Garza) in order to save the coin.

This is totally bizarre and it really makes me fear for the long term future of crypto.  In any other industry on the planet this would not happen.  Entities such as paycoin would be regarded as totally toxic and would have been avoided like the plague. They would be allowed (or even encouraged) to die.

There are so many ulterior motives in crypto now that I can't see a bright future.  Too many prominent people don't seem to be able to see a toxic train crash right in front of their own faces.

[IanDeMartino]

For whatever it is worth, here are some comments from Joe Mordica about the power bill, being blamed by Josh etc.

I don't know how deep his involvement goes, the unconfirmed emails that I have seen don't make him look great but I figured it was worth getting his rebuke out there.

I am, of course, working on something about the email leaks.

http://www.miningpool.co.uk/former-paycoin-developer-joe-mordica-speaks-about-gaws-power-bill-and-prime-controller-issue/

[klintay]

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36588/idea-to-make-xpy-dumping-having-less-effect-on-the-price/18
Archive: https://archive.today/vG6Gr

Attaboy, Quint! Hang on and ride it out, Bro!

Oh man that made me giggle

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[Buckeye2015]

LoL why do people even think this can be salvaged? Remember this whole scheme is to fraud. Printing money from thin air. Its main goal is for a few of ppl who is in controll of the whole system.

What does this coin even solve? If there is a feature we like we can always make a side chain to bitcoin block chain. These "web 2.0" of bitcoin are getting ridiculous hence scammers every where.

This is what alarms me the most. Paycoin was created as a scam, by a criminal fraudster. The events of the last 4 months have been mind blowing,  yet we have had highly respected and prominent people in the crypto community (such as themage) openly wanting to join forces with teamXPY (Who have shown themselves to be no better than Garza) in order to save the coin.

This is totally bizarre and it really makes me fear for the long term future of crypto.  In any other industry on the planet this would not happen.  Entities such as paycoin would be regarded as totally toxic and would have been avoided like the plague. They would be allowed (or even encouraged) to die.

There are so many ulterior motives in crypto now that I can't see a bright future.  Too many prominent people don't seem to be able to see a toxic train crash right in front of their own faces.

Toxicity....

This coin is less than 6mo old and look at the shit storm...

In June (around there abouts), comes up the bidding for these elusive prime controllers... how the hell can a currency survive when it goes through a bi-annual shit storm over bidding... or do they REALLY think that people are going to put up thousands of dollars in an attempt to lease once of these money printing presses and step back quietly when there's is no transparency over who is bidding and how much...

MUCH LESS the SEC go "okie, dokie... that sounds cool!" over these devices churning out trade-able securities at a rate determined by a group of 20(?) people who'd bought the right to control how much they churn out?

[systematicdeception]

Holy shit... Can we get some intel on this asshole who's convincing these people to ride this thing into the ground??? Reminds me of some of slimy Carlos Garza's emails to his "clients"....

https://hashtalk.org/user/fightforyourlife

No offence but you sound young and inexperienced.
 No sure thing in any investment better to learn that lesson early.

Do you know what the worst investment i ever made was? Citigroup. I lost massive amounts of cash on that.

Do you know what the best investment i ever made was? Citigroup. I bought a crap ton close to the bottom.

Just like everyone else, i have lost money on XPY. The best we can hope for is that Josh isn't a POS like some accuse him, and that he has one hell of an ace up his sleeve.

It isn't over yet, you will know when it is.

What's illegal or not allowed in stocks doesn't always apply to crypto investments.
 Now fraud is fraud, and if that has happened with xpy, they there will be consequences, but stop trying to make this into an equity issue, those rules and regulations don't apply to crypto, not yet anyway.

He's trying to tell these idiots it's "your own fault for letting Garza scam you".... While also talking them out of issuing chargebacks...

Was that fraud or market risk? The company was predicting a good xmas, but it didn't happen.

I know i am not the only one that thinks this way, but it seems no one wants to accept personal responsibility for their own actions.

Carlos, is that you?

[systematicdeception]

Uh oh... Eyes are opening...

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36666/remember-hashlets

 Remember Hashlets?



I was browsing r/Bitcoins this morning and found this. Can somebody tell me what is going on?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/32w9b3/gaw_miners_lied_about_the_911_donation/

[pbj sammich]

Little do these brainwashed idiots know that their hero is the real scumbag that goes around threatening people and making statements about wanting to punch his girlfriend in the gut HARD while she is carrying his child.

I know full well thank you.

Apparently, my cleverly disguised barb was too cleverly disguised. I will do better in the future...

[suchmoon]

For whatever it is worth, here are some comments from Joe Mordica about the power bill, being blamed by Josh etc.

I don't know how deep his involvement goes, the unconfirmed emails that I have seen don't make him look great but I figured it was worth getting his rebuke out there.

I am, of course, working on something about the email leaks.

http://www.miningpool.co.uk/former-paycoin-developer-joe-mordica-speaks-about-gaws-power-bill-and-prime-controller-issue/

Thank you Ian, it's always good to know the other side of the story. I hope Joe Mordica speaks out more at some point, as some of those leaked e-mails show him deeply involved in a lot of questionable stuff. E.g.:

On Thursday, January 15, 2015, Joe Mordica <joe@geniusesatwork.com> wrote:
Ok can you clarify?

1. Stripe shut us down. Are you saying to setup a new stripe account or setup the one dan is working on?

2. The coin given to users from purchases will always be tracked (the value of the blockchain). Is the point to not make the coins come from the Genesis block?

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On Jan 15, 2015, at 01:40, Josh Garza <josh@gaw.com> wrote:
set back up asap

And make it to where the coins come from a place they can not track


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