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January 23, 2015, 01:56:29 PM
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It's pretty dope. I like the design and all but are you serious about the price ?
14 ducking thousand??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Pink-Ivory-Wood-49-x-8-x-1-25-/171638172084?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f66ea9b4

a few hundred bucks worth of wood, and about $70 worth of laser engraving, topped off with a cheap, shitty, plastic looking varnish that disguises the fact that it's probably not even pink ivory wood in the first place.

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January 23, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
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I agree the finish on it wrecks the piece for me. I love the idea of the BTC , I had Andreas sign my copy of his book with one. I've bought one of start the art's pieces that beautifies the BTC..

That finish tho.. All I could think was.. well hopefully it isn't done curing or whatever you call it and it doesn't end up being so shiny. I do like the design.. but god damn.
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January 23, 2015, 02:48:24 PM
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So what will you say when you see a video of woodcutter doing detailed carving?

when

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxefyn

"in the middle of making a video"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxlut9

"I am making video so when the forum comes back up I can post it"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxknes

"The battery just died in my camera"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxlut9

"I am waiting for my battery to charge"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxn9wq

"No way to charge it while the battery is still in it" (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxophx

"I am about to start posting videos"

That was 12 hours ago. Do you actually, in your heart of hearts, believe that there will be a video?


Yes I do believe it.
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January 23, 2015, 02:54:24 PM
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few speaks as if they were ripped off because of your claim that WC is a fraud and use laser engraver instead of hand carver, we still dont know if this is a fact or not until the promised video is being made

For all those waiting for a video, please state below the maximum amount of time you are willing to wait for the video.

Me: one month.

Please state your response in the linked thread so that we can keep things organized.

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January 23, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
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Commissioned by: Blazedout419
Material: Premiere grade quilted Watermelon Ivory (A rare form of Pink Ivory)
Price: $14,000 usd

The Hive is a representation of the hive mind that drives Bitcoin and its great communities and is hand carved into one of the the most expensive and rare woods on the planet. Pink Ivory wood is listed on the top 10 most expensive woods in the world and Watermelon Ivory is an ultra rare form of Pink Ivory which is no longer listed or classified as it only grows naturally and 99.99% of the time only in trees exceeding 500 years of age. Pink Ivory trees are protected and thus only allowed to be harvest if they are commercially grown directly for harvest which eliminates access to Watermelon Ivory all together unless the tree was fell prior to its listing on the protected list.

A special thanks to Blazedout419 as without his commissioning me to create this great piece this luxurious and beautiful wood would have probably been turned into some rich snobs cigar box or his wife's jewelry box.

WOAHH!!! this piece is so nice! carved so well!

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January 23, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
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WOAHH!!! this piece is so nice! carved so well!

This user is so shill! Paid so well!

WoodCollector, can you please ask your shills to at least TRY to be subtle? Jesus...

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January 23, 2015, 03:22:13 PM
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Hello I've come to stir the pot. A little birdy on the internet said this ship was sinking....fast.

Are the customers revolting? Will the wooden lathe man rat out his customers for buying his laser-engraved bongs?

The story at 10PM, back to you chuck.

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January 23, 2015, 03:55:14 PM
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I've been staying out of this, as I don't really care, but now that I've taken the time to read through the thread...wow. What a load of hogwash.

Let me start by saying that I live in South Africa, and in particular I live 30 minutes drive from the Rare Woods SA facility in Knysna. So I'm going to concentrate on the South African wood used in this piece of "art". I have discussed this at length with an associate from Rare Woods and from two other local timber companies that specialise in unique woods.

First, lets take a choice quote from WoodCollector:

As for pink ivory, you will not find any. Firstly its protected as it is on the top 4 list of most expensive and rarest woods on the planet, secondly it requires a few thousand dollars in permits to harvest legally. This i know as i just ordered an $8,000 piece of Watermelon Ivory ( an even more rare form of pink ivory) from south west Africa and the paperwork required to get it through customs was INSANE. Its not illegal to posses, you can get permits to harvest it for a pretty price tag, but it is very illegal to ship without paying about 4 different duties, 3 different taxes, half a dozen permits, and you have to provide a 1" square sample of the wood being shipped as customs requires it to be lab tested to verify its origin, age, legality.

Firstly, it is not a protected wood species. Per Wood-Database - "Sustainability: This wood species is not listed in the CITES Appendices or on the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species." The Wikipedia article on pink ivory mistakenly lists it as being protected in South Africa, as it was on the preliminary list for examination back in 2002 due to its cultural significance. That awareness has lead to it being sustainably logged, but it is not protected. The 2014 list of protected trees is published on the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries website, and there is no mention of Berchemia zeyheri on it.

Secondly, watermelon ivory does not exist. Nobody has ever heard of it, and I spoke to several people who have been in the industry for decades.

Thirdly, even if it was protected (which it isn't) the permits required for logging protected trees are not difficult to get, and they are completely free to apply for. They do not cost "a few thousand dollars", what rubbish. To quote from a blog post on the Wild Card Blog - "You need to apply for a license to cut any tree/s, but these licenses are generally easily granted as long as you have sufficient grounds for felling. In brief, the process begins with requesting the license application forms from the regional offices, which are situated all over South Africa in each province. These are provided electronically via e-mail, faxed or posted through to the applicant, or taken off the DAFF (Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries) web-site. Once the applicant has filled out and signed the form, it needs to go back to the regional office, where an assessment will be made of the application. The license will then be either granted or not, based on this assessment."

Fourthly, I have no idea about the "4 different duties, 3 different taxes, half a dozen permits" as it applies to the USA, but in South Africa there are no export duties or taxes levied against wood, nor does it require any special permits beyond what was detailed when applying for a (completely free) importers/exporters code.

Finally, pink ivory is an expensive wood, that much is true. Rare Woods SA has their pricelist available online, and they have pink ivory listed there. For a cubic meter (which is massive - imagine 1m x 1m / 3.28ft x 3.28ft slabs, 76mm / 3" thick, a cubic meter would contain 13 of those) of pink ivory you'd pay R86 050 + 14% VAT, so R98 097, which is $8 605. For 13 massive slabs. Even with shipping (you'd want something that heavy to go seafreight) and import duties on the other side of the pond...well, you do the math.

Oh and I'd like to just add that properly treated pink ivory doesn't look like it has a layer of goopy acrylic on top. It looks like this:


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January 23, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
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Dropping bombs by monero dev... seems like OP's dream for a quick 14k is finished.
I still like how it looks tho, but next time make it off diamond or something if you want to charge a high price.



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January 23, 2015, 04:01:37 PM
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Actually, as someone who has worn wooden plugs as large as 3/4" in my ears in the past (tiny little cat arses these days), I thought pink ivory rang a bell. Turns out it's used for body jewelry all the time. The finish looks more like what fluffypony posted, and less like a Balrog jizzed on it.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=pink+ivory+plugs&espv=2&biw=1131&bih=633&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BnDCVN-hCsq4ggSk2IDwBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

With a laser-cut design and a proper finish that doesn't attempt to cover up the laser job:


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January 23, 2015, 04:16:52 PM
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Thats a nice piece of wood.

If your interested, im selling this rare cardboard for 6 BTC


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January 23, 2015, 04:20:47 PM
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But can you make ten of those a day?  Grin

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January 23, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
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Thats a piece of wood.

If your interested, im selling this rare cardboard for 6 BTC



6 BTC is a little high don't you think. Come down on the price a bit. Looks laser cut to me
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January 23, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
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Thats a piece of wood.

If your interested, im selling this rare cardboard for 6 BTC


6 BTC is a little high don't you think. Come down on the price a bit. Looks laser cut to me


I did say its a rare cardboard, but were all friends on here so Im open to offers around 5 BTC, ill even throw in free postage world wide.

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January 23, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
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Can you provide a video of you hand cutting it to prove you have the skills to use scissors/box cutters?

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January 23, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
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Just a little addition to my previous post. I've been told that the piece was 9" x 12", and I'm thumb-sucking that its around 1.5" thick.

Based on those assumptions we can figure out the actual cost of the wood, based off the Rare Woods SA price list. We're going to forego calculating shipping on the whole cubic meter, as for a piece that small it can be shipped relatively cheaply via courier. So for $8 605 we get a fat cubic meter of pink ivory. If we get 38mm boards (which is around 1.5") then that cubic meter would contain 26 of them, so $331 a board.

This is what 9x12 looks like when taken out of the 1m2 board:


That's 6.97% of the board, which is $23.07. Of course you need a buffer for the wood you're "carving" off, so let's be super generous and double that up to $46 for good measure.

Add in shipping, import duties, labour, amortisation of equipment, local shipping, liability insurance, and a very large quantity of cheap wood varnish, and I can't imagine this having a raw cost of more than $400 (if quite a few hours was spent carving it by hand, but I suspect that was not the case). Add in a fair margin for it being artistic in nature (plus creative work is typically harder to produce consistently), and a fair selling price would have been $1000 - $1500. And you know, if it looked good and was well made I might have thought about spending that amount of money on it. But at $14k? No...that's scam-level profit margins.

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....
The Hive is a representation of the hive mind that drives Bitcoin and its great communities...

The "Hive Mind" is also a Borg (evil collective) concept. What happened to "independent and decentralized?"

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Dropping bombs by monero dev... seems like OP's dream for a quick 14k is finished.
I still like how it looks tho, but next time make it off diamond or something if you want to charge a high price.

Uh.. he got paid. Blazedout419 actually bought this thing!

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January 23, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
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So what will you say when you see a video of woodcutter doing detailed carving?

when

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxefyn

"in the middle of making a video"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxlut9

"I am making video so when the forum comes back up I can post it"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxknes

"The battery just died in my camera"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxlut9

"I am waiting for my battery to charge"

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxn9wq

"No way to charge it while the battery is still in it" (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t96w0/anybody_know_why_bitcointalk_is_down/cnxophx

"I am about to start posting videos"

That was 12 hours ago. Do you actually, in your heart of hearts, believe that there will be a video?



Wow just wow...lol....

How many excuses can he come up with?

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January 23, 2015, 05:40:11 PM
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Can you provide a video of you hand cutting it to prove you have the skills to use scissors/box cutters?

It was laser cut. I’m not quite sure I like where this is heading, what exactly are you insinuating? I just found an old box and started hacking away like some mad man with a pair scissors. Honestly you don’t know a work of art when you see one! Smiley

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