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February 09, 2015, 12:16:45 AM
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I am here to warn everyone that the aliens are coming...

Observer34: you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, but there has to be something better for you to do than to troll on a project that is clearly not for you.

Serious people have invested on Sapience. At this point, Sapience has greatly risen in value since it's lowest point or even the crowd fund, so certainly, there will be some people eager to sell. Others believe that there's greater value in the future, so will be eager to buy.
Not everything is a scam. Take it easy.

Edit: I will stop exercising judgement over price swings and valuation as there are enough speculators around. There has been a lot of market activity over the last few days, and obviously, a lot of day traders will have picked up coins for their instant gratification needs. I believe in the long term of this project, and I trust that the price will eventually reflect its utility value. In my mind, what's more important now, is to get testnet going and giving the new features a serious workout!  Cool

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February 09, 2015, 12:24:54 AM
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So ive done my research and XQN is rising right along side XAI. Holding long term positions in both. THANKS FOR THE XQN HEADS UP (whoever you are)  Grin Grin

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February 09, 2015, 12:35:14 AM
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The good thing is that there is not Mining in this coin. No additional Sell Pressure is great for Long-Term

Yes, that is the core of the scam. You just don't want to be the last one to dump. Very clever scam.

Ha ha someone is butthurt. Quit your fucking bitching assclown. Just because you want cheap coins you want to troll? Go fuck your dog fuckface and leave us alone!
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February 09, 2015, 12:40:17 AM
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I am here to warn everyone that the aliens are coming...

Observer34: you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, but there has to be something better for you to do than to troll on a project that is clearly not for you.

Serious people have invested on Sapience. At this point, Sapience has greatly risen in value since it's lowest point or even the crowd fund, so certainly, there will be some people eager to sell. Others believe that there's greater value in the future, so will be eager to buy.
Not everything is a scam. Take it easy.

Edit: I will stop exercising judgement over price swings and valuation as there are enough speculators around. There has been a lot of market activity over the last few days, and obviously, a lot of day traders will have picked up coins for their instant gratification needs. I believe in the long term of this project, and I trust that the price will eventually reflect its utility value. In my mind, what's more important now, is to get testnet going and giving the new features a serious workout!  Cool

I've looked a bit at a few of these coins your group of people are pushing, including xai and ambercoin. They have in common that the vast majority of coins are in the hands of a few people. You can push the price as high as you want since there are almost no coins available to be generated for sale. You could push the price up to a billion dollars if you want. And then when some people jump in you take a power dump on them.

There are some very clever people involved in these projects. If I had resources I would hire them. But I would not let them near the cash register.
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February 09, 2015, 12:46:37 AM
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'group of pushing' Lolll this is just market reaction when we found a gem

Go away man...
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February 09, 2015, 12:47:55 AM
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The good thing is that there is not Mining in this coin. No additional Sell Pressure is great for Long-Term

Yes, that is the core of the scam. You just don't want to be the last one to dump. Very clever scam.

Ha ha someone is butthurt. Quite your fucking bitching assclown. Just because you want cheap coins you want to troll. Go fuck your dog fuckface and leave us alone!

Just to double check.

You are an academic, an intellectual, a technology expert?

You could not make enough money robbing mealcarts in Ukraine so you start coin scams?
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The good thing is that there is not Mining in this coin. No additional Sell Pressure is great for Long-Term

Yes, that is the core of the scam. You just don't want to be the last one to dump. Very clever scam.

Ha ha someone is butthurt. Quite your fucking bitching assclown. Just because you want cheap coins you want to troll. Go fuck your dog fuckface and leave us alone!

Just to double check.

You are an academic, an intellectual, a technology expert?

You could not make enough money robbing mealcarts in Ukraine so you start coin scams?

Yep, I am the scam dev. Ha ha ha. I do you hope you bought some coins observer34 because I am going to shit all over you and you alone. LOL. Go away troll fuck.

Edit: Ha the Ukraine?? Are you serious? I have my sights set on New York City USA. Big time there. When I scam you and your family for a million I'll give you $10 to suck my dick.

Edit Edit: Sorry all for the language, I just hate trolls so much that I get sooo mad and want to slap them silly. My apologies again!
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February 09, 2015, 12:52:42 AM
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I need a hobby! Can you recommend one for me?

For hobby, there's lot's of cool stuff you could do. My suggestion would be to find something that involves physical exercise.
Healthy body, healthy mind, and all that. Jogging perhaps?

On that other post you just made: I don't really have a group so to speak, you're either confused, or paranoid.
I kindly request that you move on.  Roll Eyes

Everyone else: Please edit or remove text from troll-quotes. It's getting super noisy here!

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February 09, 2015, 12:57:37 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

Send me a donation, btc address 1PYLJrZkmokA64gP6NTszHN1UYmiyKvDte and I won't tell anyone you are scammers.
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If you want me to start exposing myself, fine.

Please don't

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February 09, 2015, 12:59:55 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

No one takes a newbie account seriously so if you REALLY are serious then come on here with a Member or SR. Member account and then I will listen. Thank you.

Edit: You created your account today?Huh Haha aha. ROFLMFAO!!! You made my day with that. You really should get a job and get out of your mom's basement and quite hitting F5 over and over. hahah still laughing....................
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February 09, 2015, 01:04:10 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

No one takes a newbie account seriously so if you REALLY are serious then come on here with a Member or SR. Member account and then I will listen. Thank you.


Could be Spoetnik. Would you listen then? Grin

Really, Spoetnik??? I would listen even less. Damn I wish there was an assclown filter setting for newbie accounts like observer34.
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February 09, 2015, 01:05:16 AM
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Friendly bump of the dev related info that has been buried under much noise.

Next weekly coming on Thursday 12th.

Weekly Consolidation Update 2 Containing Communications Direct From XAI Dev:

Previous consolidation (Week 1) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864895.msg10301510#msg10301510


There has been much progression since last week, most notably work towards an update that is due to be released very soon.

The following is a range of information that JoeMoz (XAI developer) has provided in various sources including Slack.


In relation to comments about him listing SharePoint on his LinkedIn profile:

SharePoint just happens to be one thing I am an expert in... and focused on for a couple years because frankly its the highest billable rates :wink:


Age old Opensource / Closedsource dilemma continues:

I mean the tech we are doing is sufficiently advanced that anyone who would try to rip it off right out of the gate would probably wind up pushing broken stuff.
From an open source perspective, it would probably be a valuable contribution to the community at large, like DHT but i remember with XQN, within a few days there were a couple of clone coins with the profit explorer graph feature etc.


Choosing a Name for the Data Layer:

I'm thinking of ditching the treespaces name i came up with, because it generates confusion with the biology stuff when you google it. I think i am going to call the entire data layer PlumeDB, because it is something that can be broken out and marketed for a lot more than just the AI stuff and it is essentially a full blown decentralized database engine running on top of the coin network funneling network communications over the bitcoin p2p protocol.


Where does the name plume come from?

I thought it sounded cool! I was thinking of clouds of data so "databases" are plumes in the cloud.


More notes on fee structure:

The way I am doing fees right now is..it is based on data reservations by kilobyte-hour.  e.g. 0.0001 XAI/kbh when you initialize a new data plume, you put out a request for data reservations based on the estimated size of the database and the lifetime you want. You get responses from volunteer/available slave nodes that are willing to replicate your data index, and you have to pay the total kbh fee to each of the slaves by default  Cool

The actual data itself at a low level is distributed across all nodes via filesystem abstracted into DHT and all nodes participate for public data sets, you don't pay for data reservations, but consumers pay-per-use.

So, I am thinking maybe there should be a small fee for loading public data, as an anti-spam type of measure. The other thing i am thinking is that maybe all Atom data types (opencog atomspaces), should be public, to keep contributing to a large body-of-knowledge, seems maybe pointless to load Atoms that are private...hmm, so who should get the fee for public data loads... maybe the 1st relay node.


How is data loaded onto the Sapience distributed AI network?

You load data either through RPC or the console.

More in-depth infomation related XAI and PlumeDB:

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/PlumeDB


Hint on Potential New Look:

I'm doing something cool with it and doing the UI in QML/QT Quick, eventually i want to rewrite the entire wallet using it and ditch the existing hokey interface.  It'll let us get a "responsive" UI on the android/different devices so stuff isn't sitting off the side of the screen etc., and get a wallet that actually looks like a modern app and not something from 1998.


Further development related comments:

Although in the latest sapience source i have moved the leveldb dependency out from being code included in the source to being external dependency so i can use latest google leveldb from github + cross-compile for android easily. Just means an extra step, have to pull and compile leveldb separately and set the include/lib path. I'm trying to get it so i can use 1 .pro file i suppose on linux you could just install the libleveldb-dev package and do it that way, same as libboost-all-dev etc.

I should note that this is a test/beta build... so there's definitely TODO's etc. Under the hood tweaking and stuff that we might want to adjust like by default the low level DHT that is just doing mindless raw data storage will tries to get a penetration of 72 nodes for a given record but i don't know if we even have 72 live nodes on the network, let alone getting them on testnet and there's rebuild scenarios like what if all 8 slave nodes go down, having the network detect that and automatically assign replacements and rebuild trie indexes, etc.

There's really like 4 overlay networks running on top of each other at once... the low level DHT, a mapping & rebuild info DHT, the slave PHT's, and the master/originator the biggest thing we'll have to play around with in testing is seeing what the latency is like i know there will be latency, because it is a p2p database so for some use cases it might not be suitable, for others it might mean just adapting how you work with the data.

The more nodes the better... if we had a couple thousand nodes on the network for instance you can do better load balancing but just in general, basically _everything_ in the entire system is async.

Its just different i guess, from anything i've worked with to date at least :wink:  should enable new scenarios actually a good analogy is using it is more like hitting web services asynchronously, instead of direct database access... but in exchange, you get the redundancy/massive scale-out/decentralization.


Is there anyway for the system to determine what nodes are closest?

Well, there isn't any geolocation /location based proximity right now... but that is something i've been thinking about.


Uniqueness?

As far as i know, this is the only (DHT) implementation that is running over the bitcon p2p protocol, even maidsafe DHT is a parallel/external implementation running over UDP.


Is that useful for anything outside of AI?

There's like a million other things besides AI you can build on top of a decentralized DHT.


Process:

The way i did it is each key in addition to a hash can have 3 attributes, and those get indexed by the slaves in PHTs so that is the value-added service you are getting from the slaves in exchange for the XAI/kilobyte-hour fee. It's key/value storage on the low raw DHT level but with 3 attribute components in the key. So like lets say i want to run a distributed aggregate range query to do a SUM across the data plume where attribute 2 is between A and B... the slaves provide the service of fast lookup to get the subset of infohashes that fall within the criteria, then you use those against DHT2 to get the possible nodes that have each one, that are then looked up against DHT1 to retrieve the individual records/values from the raw key/value store....So with something like a SUM, you slave can pull the subset of infohashes and then chunk them out into groups of say 100 and dole those out as individual compute operations across nodes, and then the results are concentrated and returned to the originator.


DHT1 and DHt2 are just levels within the 4(?) DHTs in PlumeDB?

Layered dht's... yeah, sort of i mean, like for something like a torrent its pretty trivial, so a basic k/v dht works fine but as soon as you want to do anything more involved, you need more metadata etc.so you layer it on top. the raw DHT gives you the redundancy/resilience, etc. and can just focus on getting the values where they need to be


In response to a question on Slaves.

Slaves are responsible for building that multi-rooted PHT the DHT only knows about hash256 + value...there's TODO's i'm probably not going to get to for the release tonight (today), like being able to configure how much of your free space you want to allocate so don't go loading gigantic data sets Tongue



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February 09, 2015, 01:07:42 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

Send me a donation, btc address 1PYLJrZkmokA64gP6NTszHN1UYmiyKvDte and I won't tell anyone you are scammers.

Coins received. https://blockchain.info/address/1PYLJrZkmokA64gP6NTszHN1UYmiyKvDte

I will leave you scammers alone now.
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February 09, 2015, 01:13:18 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

Send me one btc of your profits, btc address 1NsjUX7RH7wv2oXftQsy3UYgcQQNDUeRvW and I want tell anyone you are scammers.

Coins received. https://blockchain.info/address/1NsjUX7RH7wv2oXftQsy3UYgcQQNDUeRvW

I will leave you scammers alone now.

I can send myself some coin too.
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February 09, 2015, 01:16:09 AM
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If you want me to stop exposing your scam, fine.

Send me one btc of your profits, btc address 1NsjUX7RH7wv2oXftQsy3UYgcQQNDUeRvW and I want tell anyone you are scammers.

Coins received. https://blockchain.info/address/1NsjUX7RH7wv2oXftQsy3UYgcQQNDUeRvW

I will leave you scammers alone now.

I can send myself some coin too.

Ha ha. Now that is sooo damn funny. The lengths a troll will go to. I am still laughing from last post. Well at least this troll is a funny one. Give me your address again so I can send you a nice virus with my 1 btc that I will send you. AND yes I can do that. Please let me show you.
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Friendly bump of the dev related info that has been buried under much noise.

Next weekly coming on Thursday 12th.

Weekly Consolidation Update 2 Containing Communications Direct From XAI Dev:

Previous consolidation (Week 1) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864895.msg10301510#msg10301510


There has been much progression since last week, most notably work towards an update that is due to be released very soon.

The following is a range of information that JoeMoz (XAI developer) has provided in various sources including Slack.


In relation to comments about him listing SharePoint on his LinkedIn profile:

SharePoint just happens to be one thing I am an expert in... and focused on for a couple years because frankly its the highest billable rates :wink:


Age old Opensource / Closedsource dilemma continues:

I mean the tech we are doing is sufficiently advanced that anyone who would try to rip it off right out of the gate would probably wind up pushing broken stuff.
From an open source perspective, it would probably be a valuable contribution to the community at large, like DHT but i remember with XQN, within a few days there were a couple of clone coins with the profit explorer graph feature etc.


Choosing a Name for the Data Layer:

I'm thinking of ditching the treespaces name i came up with, because it generates confusion with the biology stuff when you google it. I think i am going to call the entire data layer PlumeDB, because it is something that can be broken out and marketed for a lot more than just the AI stuff and it is essentially a full blown decentralized database engine running on top of the coin network funneling network communications over the bitcoin p2p protocol.


Where does the name plume come from?

I thought it sounded cool! I was thinking of clouds of data so "databases" are plumes in the cloud.


More notes on fee structure:

The way I am doing fees right now is..it is based on data reservations by kilobyte-hour.  e.g. 0.0001 XAI/kbh when you initialize a new data plume, you put out a request for data reservations based on the estimated size of the database and the lifetime you want. You get responses from volunteer/available slave nodes that are willing to replicate your data index, and you have to pay the total kbh fee to each of the slaves by default  Cool

The actual data itself at a low level is distributed across all nodes via filesystem abstracted into DHT and all nodes participate for public data sets, you don't pay for data reservations, but consumers pay-per-use.

So, I am thinking maybe there should be a small fee for loading public data, as an anti-spam type of measure. The other thing i am thinking is that maybe all Atom data types (opencog atomspaces), should be public, to keep contributing to a large body-of-knowledge, seems maybe pointless to load Atoms that are private...hmm, so who should get the fee for public data loads... maybe the 1st relay node.


How is data loaded onto the Sapience distributed AI network?

You load data either through RPC or the console.

More in-depth infomation related XAI and PlumeDB:

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/Sapience+AIFX+Home

http://wiki.dfx.io/display/XAI/PlumeDB


Hint on Potential New Look:

I'm doing something cool with it and doing the UI in QML/QT Quick, eventually i want to rewrite the entire wallet using it and ditch the existing hokey interface.  It'll let us get a "responsive" UI on the android/different devices so stuff isn't sitting off the side of the screen etc., and get a wallet that actually looks like a modern app and not something from 1998.


Further development related comments:

Although in the latest sapience source i have moved the leveldb dependency out from being code included in the source to being external dependency so i can use latest google leveldb from github + cross-compile for android easily. Just means an extra step, have to pull and compile leveldb separately and set the include/lib path. I'm trying to get it so i can use 1 .pro file i suppose on linux you could just install the libleveldb-dev package and do it that way, same as libboost-all-dev etc.

I should note that this is a test/beta build... so there's definitely TODO's etc. Under the hood tweaking and stuff that we might want to adjust like by default the low level DHT that is just doing mindless raw data storage will tries to get a penetration of 72 nodes for a given record but i don't know if we even have 72 live nodes on the network, let alone getting them on testnet and there's rebuild scenarios like what if all 8 slave nodes go down, having the network detect that and automatically assign replacements and rebuild trie indexes, etc.

There's really like 4 overlay networks running on top of each other at once... the low level DHT, a mapping & rebuild info DHT, the slave PHT's, and the master/originator the biggest thing we'll have to play around with in testing is seeing what the latency is like i know there will be latency, because it is a p2p database so for some use cases it might not be suitable, for others it might mean just adapting how you work with the data.

The more nodes the better... if we had a couple thousand nodes on the network for instance you can do better load balancing but just in general, basically _everything_ in the entire system is async.

Its just different i guess, from anything i've worked with to date at least :wink:  should enable new scenarios actually a good analogy is using it is more like hitting web services asynchronously, instead of direct database access... but in exchange, you get the redundancy/massive scale-out/decentralization.


Is there anyway for the system to determine what nodes are closest?

Well, there isn't any geolocation /location based proximity right now... but that is something i've been thinking about.


Uniqueness?

As far as i know, this is the only (DHT) implementation that is running over the bitcon p2p protocol, even maidsafe DHT is a parallel/external implementation running over UDP.


Is that useful for anything outside of AI?

There's like a million other things besides AI you can build on top of a decentralized DHT.


Process:

The way i did it is each key in addition to a hash can have 3 attributes, and those get indexed by the slaves in PHTs so that is the value-added service you are getting from the slaves in exchange for the XAI/kilobyte-hour fee. It's key/value storage on the low raw DHT level but with 3 attribute components in the key. So like lets say i want to run a distributed aggregate range query to do a SUM across the data plume where attribute 2 is between A and B... the slaves provide the service of fast lookup to get the subset of infohashes that fall within the criteria, then you use those against DHT2 to get the possible nodes that have each one, that are then looked up against DHT1 to retrieve the individual records/values from the raw key/value store....So with something like a SUM, you slave can pull the subset of infohashes and then chunk them out into groups of say 100 and dole those out as individual compute operations across nodes, and then the results are concentrated and returned to the originator.


DHT1 and DHt2 are just levels within the 4(?) DHTs in PlumeDB?

Layered dht's... yeah, sort of i mean, like for something like a torrent its pretty trivial, so a basic k/v dht works fine but as soon as you want to do anything more involved, you need more metadata etc.so you layer it on top. the raw DHT gives you the redundancy/resilience, etc. and can just focus on getting the values where they need to be


In response to a question on Slaves.

Slaves are responsible for building that multi-rooted PHT the DHT only knows about hash256 + value...there's TODO's i'm probably not going to get to for the release tonight (today), like being able to configure how much of your free space you want to allocate so don't go loading gigantic data sets Tongue




Last week update + feature date Smiley
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February 09, 2015, 01:18:17 AM
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told you guys xqn will follow xai. will trade above 15k soon. xqn and xai to be talk of the crypto scene. new tech talented dev

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told you guys xqn will follow xai. will trade above 15k soon. xqn and xai to be talk of the crypto scene. new tech talented dev

great call..still early for both coins

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February 09, 2015, 01:40:48 AM
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Dont worry guys. This Dev is the real deal.

Glad you have done the research.

You must be one of the 29 people since 2012 who have viewed his YouTube video introduction. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SnxgdkhLfZw

Or maybe you are a fan of his website http://joemoz.com ?

Or perhaps a customer of his company http://www.limitlessacuity.com/ ?

He looks like a gifted marketer and does have a lot of skills.

This coin is a scam though. If it were a genuine project that could stand on its own it would not have been released ICO and deliberately concentrated in the hands of a few stakeholders.

There are very few of them available to sell, since there aren't miners. All of the buyers are either people willing to go along with the scam so they can cash out later, or people too stupid to figure it out.

Was going to buy then saw that the thread is literally covered with people warning that this is a scam.

I don't want to get scammed but it looks so promising.

Is it a scam?
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