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July 29, 2014, 10:08:36 PM
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I know you guys take it seriously that is why I like the whole Nasty ecosystem.
There was a point that PPS almost put BTCG under.  That is why I get nervous about it.
I know you guys will make the best decisions.


PPS nearly put some pools out of business with bad runs of variance.
I am not sure it is a good idea here where it can be much harsher.

It is a good thing that I am sure then.  Smiley

While I do appreciate these concerns, it would be a mistake to think nonnakip and I haven't been discussing implementing NastyPool for years now.  In fact, the reason why NastyPool isn't currently offering PPS is because nonnakip has been testing different payout algorithms against live data.  That was actually one of the driving factors behind our mining lottery contest.  The best thing you can do if you are concerned is to mine on NastyPool and help provide more data for testing.

Rest assured of this...  I will remain in communication with nonnakip and will continue harassing him repeatedly about the concerns and risks of NastyPool so that fans won't have to.  We have had lengthy face to face discussions about the risks and I believe the quote I used to locking down a workable PPS formula was that it was like "catching smoke with your hands."  That being said, we will not take a hands off approach to the payout formula used, and it will start off very conservatively.

I don't want to let the cat out of the bag, but I think the NastyPPS risk will be minimized a great deal over standard PPS.  At this point, I just hope for trust from fans.  Once everyone sees the implementation, I urge you to analyze the hell out of what could go wrong.  Don't think for a second that these PPS concerns aren't being taken seriously or that it won't be implemented in a responsible and safe way that will not harm NastyFans.

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July 30, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
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I have just activated another 1.2TH/s for Butterfly Labs' Cloudmining program.

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July 30, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
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I have just activated another 1.2TH/s for Butterfly Labs' Cloudmining program.

Well - better than nothin'!!!

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Here is today's update from Alpha Technologies.  It appears we will be getting part ownership of the company as compensation for our delayed order.

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An Opportunity for the Mining Community To Become an Integral Part Of Alpha Technology And Lead The Industry For Years To Come

Greetings Batch 1 Customers!

Like all of you, we are not satisfied with the delay and have decided to do something about it. We refuse to allow the investments of batch 1 customers to be anything other than a success. We want to reward you for putting your faith in us, especially considering batch 1 hasn’t turned out how we all hoped it would turn out last year when we started. We want to rectify this situation, as well as learn from batch 1 going forward. It should be noted that this delay was out of our control, and we were only able to provide an update to customers after we had received feedback from third parties. After obtaining this information, we were able to give a definitive statement as to the extent of the delay. The issues causing the delay did not occur overnight; they were a series of events that we tried to resolve and had to investigate first. Only after we were sure of the impact on delivery did we release an announcement (We had to be 100% certain as this was news that will negatively impact us as a company). In light of these events, we as a company saw 2 possible roads here, where we can leave things as they were, with unhappy customers, or go out of our way to truly appreciate the fact that we were able to start because you put your faith in us. As such, we have decided to fully commit to our original commitment of transparency, an ethical open approach and your ROI. With this in mind we have also decided to un-ban everybody who was ever banned from the forum, and apologize if you felt it was unjust. We can now put all of this negativity behind us and move forward together.

We are well aware that our customers are worried that some competitor companies will be releasing devices around the same time as us, and they may struggle to achieve ROI. In order to overcome this worry and provide the customers reassurance that we are in fact an ethical company and are genuinely striving towards serving our customers, we are proposing to give up a 30% stake in the company to our entire batch 1 customer base. Our proposition is that you will receive the miner as well as a shareholding in the company (depending on your order). This is still being worked out, so you can expect more details very soon. Also, please note that our Mh/s to power ratio for batch 1 is still one of, if not the, best on the market and many of our competitors are still yet to ship or even announce shipping dates. So this would mean that as long as Alpha Technology is making money, batch 1 customers are making money. Bear in mind that we are talking about turnovers in the millions for our company; hence you are truly being rewarded for your investment and faith in our company. This should go without saying but just to be clear, please note that only customers who have paid their orders in full will receive this offer; any unfulfilled orders will be cancelled and subject to our cancellation policy as highlighted in our terms of order (which we have been completely open with since the start of this endeavour).

This is a course that many want and have been calling for with these types of projects. Not just with ASIC companies taking pre-orders, but it can even be seen in other industries with the advent of Kickstarter and similar projects. A great example of how it should not be done being Facebook buying Oculus for $2 Billion and those original backers naturally not receiving a dime of that money. Many have called for this fair approach and yet companies don’t answer simply because they don’t have to. People fund them regardless, as has been the case with us, and yet here we are offering this to you in order to prove our commitment to you. Most companies would have taken, and unfortunately have, taken the other road. We’ve seen and spoken to people in the Bitcoin market whose companies started just like ours: obtaining their investments from first batches, but contrary to us would then proceed with becoming rich enough to simply mine themselves, while not caring about the people who got them started in the first place; only for dominating the market alone. What this shareholding effectively does, is make our customers an integral part of Alpha Technology by being partial owners of the company. This ensures that, no matter what happens, all of our batch 1 customers WILL get ROI one way or another as long as we are in business as you will have full right over issues of dividends forever. Considering how we have survived and thrived, despite the madness that has been batch 1, the odds are very much on our side, most would have broken under this pressure and looking for their first way out and yet here we are as such rest assured we plan to be in this business for the long term. You will also of course be given your say in decisions made by our company, by way of discussions and votes on our forum. We will in fact be having a vote on our forum very soon in regards to this issue, to see if most of you feel the same way as we do: and whether or not you are happy to proceed with this. We will email you the timeframe at which the vote will take place, and link to the vote very soon. If it is positive, we will put this proposition into practice and commence with all the legal paperwork. This proposition is something no other company in the crypto-currency industry has ever done before, despite past and present problems and complaints with delays in their projects. We want to overcome this and give our customers something back for their faith and patience.

Under the current circumstances, this is the best solution for all. If we were to increase hashrates further: it would push back shipping from September, and everyone will complain again asking for increased hash rates for this first batch, and as a consequence: this cycle would continue as we would have to redesign the miners over and over again, which wouldn’t help anyone. Not to mention that it would be an exhaustive, inefficient and unrealistic waste of funds. We have done all we can and more than we needed to for batch 1 and we hope this does not go unnoticed by you. The same can be said for a discount; we’re sharing but, and sorry if this is too candid, we’re not stupid. Also, if we were to offer cloud hashing to customers, it would take a tremendous amount of time and effort to set up and have it running efficiently. On top of that, the hashing would only be temporary until it was not viable anymore; and we sincerely doubt you would be pleased with that. Cloud hashing is being explored, but not given any priority at this time. Another suggestion from customers was to ship extra miners for free from cancelled orders, this also is not viable as there wouldn’t be enough miners to give everyone the extra miner. There will however be cancelled orders, and one possibility with this proposition is to set up our own mining operation immediately after shipment. Of course you will receive profits from this, proportioned to your share with the company, or we may simply just sell the miners. In any case: we will discuss all of this with you and you will profit either way.

We have secured key contacts in this industry, and hold a big advantage over any other crypto-currency company out there; this is a fact. In the near future alone, our batch 2 miners will be something special. They will be highly profitable and (bearing in mind all that we have learned through this process) we can’t see how they will not simply be the best on the market thanks to an engineering advantage which would be foolish for us to share right now, but you will know in due course. We also have very ambitious and extensive plans for the future of our company, but we also want to listen to all of your ideas and thoughts so that we can use your input as well and work together on this in order to, hopefully, be on the cutting edge of the crypto-currency industry. We are giving you the opportunity to take that slice of the pie which you duly deserve, as you (and a little bit of us) are the reason Alpha Technology made it this far. We are currently in conversations with our legal team and accountants, and will be drafting up the proposal in detail and send out the relevant paperwork to the customers. With this proposition we hope we have demonstrated to you that you are highly valued customers and that we are truly in this market for the long term. We genuinely care about our customers and we want to actively help you not only making money from this industry but also, hopefully, contribute to it. We will of course disclose key information and documents to you with regards to our company in due course; the capacity and method of this is still to be determined, as we obviously cannot rush this due to its sensitive nature.

We are now all moving forward together and we are sorry but it must be said that constantly and unconstructively criticizing or trying to undermine us will only hurt yourself. Instead, we must be constructive and collaborative, as you and your funds are in this with us. Just as a reminder what has happened since the start: you pre-ordered a product, then competitors arrived on the scene. In order to secure your loyalty, we increased the hashrate to 90Mh/s which is fair enough, then we took final payment at 90 (if we were any other company: chances are we would have and could have stopped at this point, that is a fact.), we then decided to increase to 250Mh/s despite the fact we didn’t need to. We delayed and despite the fact our terms give us leeway in this: for the sake and in the interests of our customers we still decided to go yet another step further by giving you shares of our company for the rest of its existence without the need for you to spend an extra penny or work for us hence there is no catch this is technically something for nothing in so far as what we are legally obliged to provide you (although, in this situation: it would only make sense to purchase your future units from your company, as you will receive profits back similar to a discount. It would also make sense to contribute to the company as much as you can in whatever capacity you can; as you would be directly helping yourself). All this on top of free shipping for batch 2 and 10% off any future batch of your choice; this is an unprecedented level of customer service.

We sincerely hope that you will appreciate our efforts to go the extra mile for you and that you will appreciate the offer we’re making to you. We want to thank you for your patience, support and investment in our first batch. We hope you will continue to support us and we promise we will continue to value your custom and input. We are really excited about the future of our company in this industry and we hope that you will join us in our excitement.

Thank you and we’re looking forward to be hearing from you!

Kind Regards,

Mohammed Akram

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July 30, 2014, 10:53:41 PM
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So we will receive shares of Alpha Technologies. Cool, It'd be nice to see that work out better than other pre-order scenarios have in some cases. I didn't catch the new date shipping batch 1 was estimated for?

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July 30, 2014, 11:35:48 PM
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So we will receive shares of Alpha Technologies. Cool, It'd be nice to see that work out better than other pre-order scenarios have in some cases. I didn't catch the new date shipping batch 1 was estimated for?

Their last update had changed it to September.   Undecided

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Is anyone interested in a Live Chat tomorrow, or should I just post an update here?

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July 31, 2014, 11:14:48 PM
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Is anyone interested in a Live Chat tomorrow, or should I just post an update here?

I am, however I am unsure of my cell coverage while floating down the muskegon river. I will try to make it.

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Is anyone interested in a Live Chat tomorrow, or should I just post an update here?

I am, however I am unsure of my cell coverage while floating down the muskegon river. I will try to make it.

Alright.

Live Chat tomorrow at 1PM PST.

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July 31, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
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details on where it will be and how to attend? I may just poke my head in on this one...

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details on where it will be and how to attend? I may just poke my head in on this one...

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I'll post a link on this thread about 15 minutes beforehand.  I usually use a https://chatver.com room.

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good enuf, will keep eyes peeled.

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1PM PST. Where is OgNasty?

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I know chat is empty.
I have to go now.  I will check in later.


1PM PST. Where is OgNasty?

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Distribution 313525 is complete. nastyfans says thank you for the donations.

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My apologies.  I had a bit of an emergency show up at my door...  All is fine now, but unfortunately I had to step away to handle some things.  The timing was unfortunate.

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August 01, 2014, 09:04:45 PM
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I am glad everything is ok.
Got worried there for a bit.


My apologies.  I had a bit of an emergency show up at my door...  All is fine now, but unfortunately I had to step away to handle some things.  The timing was unfortunate.

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I am available now @ (CHAT IS NOW OVER) if anyone has any questions.

I do not have much to discuss today, but want to still give folks the opportunity.


Thanks for those who attended.  My apologies for being late.   Embarrassed

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My apologies for being late.   Embarrassed

No apologies for running a scam though.
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It looks like a Black Arrow X3 has made it to the wild.  Hopefully we see some hardware soon...

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