The price is available in BTC on nastyfans.org, you just need to click on the change units button.
https://imgur.com/a/DrEfv
I don't think there's a willful deception going on, comparatively if we posted Apple stock price in bitcoin, it'd look fairly similar, Bitcoin's increase in value has been insane. What the graphs previously posted demonstrate, is that had you purchased seats purely at the USD equivalent price, they have increased in value. In other news, some alpaca socks I purchased in 2012 have not appreciated at all
. Generally from my own experience, I try to view any transaction in bitcoin as being worth the approximate fiat value at the time. If I was hyper focused on what the value could be, I'd never spend it, so it's also on me to ensure when I purchase something with it, I go back and purchase the equivalent or more to keep my hodling efforts going!
I think I may have misunderstood you TMAN earlier in your posts, I see that you're working to be a watchdog for the community, and I appreciate what you're trying to do here. I'm still a strong advocate for nastyfans despite hindsight showing me that hodling to purely bitcoin only may have been a wiser investment, but - that's not to say there isn't a case for value with this group currently.
Case in point, for a significant period of time the price of bitcoin went nowhere and in some cases decreased. Throughout that time, I received dividends so despite my BTC dropping in fiat value, I was still continuing to acquire. Even today, I'm still a recipient of those, and while the equivalent of a few dollars here and there may seem negligible, a small investment 5 years ago would certainly be worthwhile today. I see this group as a long term investment in mining outside of some of the larger organizations.
You mentioned earlier too the concern about people that received cash for loans because of the price of bitcoin increasing. I was one of the people that had a loan to nastyfans, and I opted to take some additional seats (from his own holdings). I think Nasty was very transparent about it, at the time I don't think a hedging instrument was available to hedge against the fx exposure that was faced, and longer term those loans would have harmed nastyfan's success or even viability as an organization. At that point, I think many of us were interested in the longer term prospects, and honestly the loan relative to my seats would have translated into a loss regardless (i.e. if nastyfans seats became worthless but I received my loan repayment, I still would have lost out). I got the impression that most of the seat holders here were in a similar position, and saw the long term value of this group, which is why there were some negotiations made to ensure longer term viability as a group. At no point did Nasty force this on me, I think it was just a practical matter of him protecting seat holders by ensuring the longer term health of the group.
So here again, I don't think there's been any intentional misdirection or lack of transparency. Any investment vehicle has some associated risk, just as exposure to bitcoin is a risk. I go back to what I mentioned earlier with the perceived value in fiat at the time of a transaction, at the time, I felt that the value merited the investment, and it's yielded positive returns in fiat. My point is, I'm in it for the longevity of this group, which going on 5+ years, I think is saying something.
