Dank's final testimony

[Xian01]

they're now known to be pretty much nothing but placebos for depression

... speaking of bad and very dangerous advice ...

Patients respond differently to different medications. You're always supposed to be getting onto meds under a doctors supervision.

There is some excellent emerging work with genotyping done by http://www.genomind.com/faqs/ - Their Genecept Assay product is one of the first products that allows doctors to tailor treatments based on how well a patients physiology may or may not interact with different classes of drugs.

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[hilariousandco]

they're now known to be pretty much nothing but placebos for depression

... speaking of bad and very dangerous advice ...

Patients respond differently to different medications. You're always supposed to be getting onto meds under a doctors supervision.

How is it bad and dangerous advice? What I stated is the truth. I think most people will agree that taking something that can actually cause suicidal behaviour when you're depressed is a pretty bad idea. And what do doctors know in this regard? You go to a doctor tell them you feel a bit sad and 9/10 without hesitation they'll throw a load of pills at you. I think blindly taking anything they give you is taking bad advice. Quiz them in depth about whatever medications they give you and they'll usually be unable to tell you anything other than what's written on the box or the little sheet of paper they get from the pharma companies telling them what and when not to give them.

[BadBear]

Dank derails pretty much every thread he posts in, it's very annoying.

I don't know if he really has mental issues or if he's just trolling, but in the end it doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

[Xian01]

It's bad advice because the small chance of encountering negative side-effects are outweighed by the potential benefits in serious medical cases. Especially when prescribed under supervision of a doctor.

Furthermore, what you said is NOT THE TRUTH. They are most certainly not "nothing but placebos for depression". Maybe a certain drug class (SSRI's for example) would have no pharmacological effect on a patient and help them feel better by placebo effect alone, but another drug class (say SNRI's) might genuinely work to pharmacologically positively affect a patient.

Your perspective smacks of Jenny McCarthy uneducated "anti-vax" nonsense, and is not rooted in science or our current (limited) understanding of brain chemistry.

And speaking to an increase in depression or ideations of suicide, I suspect you might be referring to cases where anti depressants are contraindicated for use in young adults due to those negative side-effects being two to three times more likely to occur.

they're now known to be pretty much nothing but placebos for depression

... speaking of bad and very dangerous advice ...

Patients respond differently to different medications. You're always supposed to be getting onto meds under a doctors supervision.

How is it bad and dangerous advice? What I stated is the truth. I think most people will agree that taking something that can actually cause suicidal behaviour when you're depressed is a pretty bad idea. And what do doctors know in this regard? You go to a doctor tell them you feel a bit sad and 9/10 without hesitation they'll throw a load of pills at you. I think blindly taking anything they give you is taking bad advice. Quiz them in depth about whatever medications they give you and they'll usually be unable to tell you anything other than what's written on the box or the little sheet of paper they get from the pharma companies telling them what and when not to give them.

[shorena]

Dank derails pretty much every thread he posts in, it's very annoying.

I don't know if he really has mental issues or if he's just trolling, but in the end it doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

He even derailed this thread, even though he has not written a single word.

Can we move this in the pharmacy section please?

[wunkbone]

Dank derails pretty much every thread he posts in, it's very annoying.

I don't know if he really has mental issues or if he's just trolling, but in the end it doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

I think the issue is that he will constantly get trolled regarding his defaulted loan where ever he posts and he will respond to the troll which gets the conversation off topic. He also seems to say somewhat "off the wall" ideas often and people tend to react to the strangeness of what he says.

It's bad advice because the small chance of encountering negative side-effects are outweighed by the potential benefits in serious medical cases. Especially when prescribed under supervision of a doctor.

The chance of someone encountering harmful side-effects when taking anti-depressants is much greater then "small", many/most people that take anti-depressants will encounter some kind of side effect. The side effects will also sometimes change over time, sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. Also a doctor "supervising" a patient taking anti-depressants is not able to closely watch the patient close enough to prevent a potential suicide, it does not take very long to attempt to commit as such.   

Furthermore, what you said is NOT THE TRUTH. They are most certainly not "nothing but placebos for depression". Maybe a certain drug class (SSRI's for example) would have no pharmacological effect on a patient and help them feel better by placebo effect alone, but another drug class (say SNRI's) might genuinely work to pharmacologically positively affect a patient.

These drugs do mess with your brain's chemistry and are not placebos, but it is really hard to say what the effect will be prior to a patient actually taking the drug.

[freedomno1]

Dank does tend to spam a lot of incoherent shit, lets not be surprised this happened, to be honest, I think I'm more surprised he didn't get banned sooner given how many newbies and the like get banned for less spam than what he posted.

True enough Mircea got banned on less than Dank and is still in the graveyard
What a trilema (well not really)
I guess it could be moved to a month new year new start thing at the least Dank does need some time off.

[Buffer Overflow]

I'm rather confused why dank was still using this forum anyway. He made it clear he had no interest in Bitcoin, so why choose this topic of forum to promote his rhetoric?

The only logical conclusion I can think of was because his main agenda was to take money from others.

He also said, "the forum just proved everything I said right."

He just doesn't know when to stop does he.

[Xian01]

The chance of someone encountering harmful side-effects when taking anti-depressants is much greater then "small"

If we redefine "harmful" as "undesirable", then fair point.

The side effects will also sometimes change over time, sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. Also a doctor "supervising" a patient taking anti-depressants is not able to closely watch the patient close enough to prevent a potential suicide, it does not take very long to attempt to commit as such.  

... which makes a good support structure, open lines of communication, and talk therapy imperative during early stages of treatment.

To say "it does not take very long to attempt to commit suicide" is, again, dangerously irresponsible, speaking nothing to the potential positive benefits of therapy.

You might as well be saying "that chances of getting hit by a car are much greater if you leave your house" - completely overlooking the necessity to make a journey to begin with.

These drugs do mess with your brain's chemistry and are not placebos, but it is really hard to say what the effect will be prior to a patient actually taking the drug

Enter the Genomind product which aims to resolve your concerns moving forward. We're getting better at this science stuff.

[Hippie Tech]

Dank derails pretty much every thread he posts in, it's very annoying.

I don't know if he really has mental issues or if he's just trolling, but in the end it doesn't matter, the end result is the same.

I think the issue is that he will constantly get trolled regarding his defaulted loan where ever he posts and he will respond to the troll which gets the conversation off topic. He also seems to say somewhat "off the wall" ideas often and people tend to react to the strangeness of what he says.

It's bad advice because the small chance of encountering negative side-effects are outweighed by the potential benefits in serious medical cases. Especially when prescribed under supervision of a doctor.

The chance of someone encountering harmful side-effects when taking anti-depressants is much greater then "small", many/most people that take anti-depressants will encounter some kind of side effect. The side effects will also sometimes change over time, sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. Also a doctor "supervising" a patient taking anti-depressants is not able to closely watch the patient close enough to prevent a potential suicide, it does not take very long to attempt to commit as such.   

Furthermore, what you said is NOT THE TRUTH. They are most certainly not "nothing but placebos for depression". Maybe a certain drug class (SSRI's for example) would have no pharmacological effect on a patient and help them feel better by placebo effect alone, but another drug class (say SNRI's) might genuinely work to pharmacologically positively affect a patient.

These drugs do mess with your brain's chemistry and are not placebos, but it is really hard to say what the effect will be prior to a patient actually taking the drug.

I was about to post a link to Kevin Miller's documentarty, "Generation Rx", but can't find it. Until I do, here is one of his other talks/ lectures.

http://youtu.be/0YVmjav2er8

I wouldn't wish their prescribed quackery on my worst enemy.

[dogie]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

[Blazr]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

Some people are more susceptible to addiction problems. Thats usually what people mean when they call drug addiction a disease.

[Superhitech]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

I agree. Even with peer pressure and all that, you are the one who made the choice to do drugs. Maybe some time away from forums might do him and the community some good.

[Quickseller]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

That is true. However a large percentage of people (at least I think it is a large percentage) will try drugs experimentally. There are also some people who may have suffered some kind of trauma that would cause them to turn to drugs in order to cope with their physical and/or emotional pain.

I agree the drug user is somewhat to blame for their problems, but it is far from 100% their fault.

[redsn0w]

I'm rather confused why dank was still using this forum anyway. He made it clear he had no interest in Bitcoin, so why choose this topic of forum to promote his rhetoric?

The only logical conclusion I can think of was because his main agenda was to take money from others.

He also said, "the forum just proved everything I said right."

He just doesn't know when to stop does he.

I don't know maybe for him it is only a joke for pass the time , or maybe he has a plan or something like that .

[Vortex20000]

Vod dank has told me he expected to fulfill the obligation with squall early next year.

dank has a history of lying.  Don't believe anything he tells you. 

If he does pay squall back, then great!  But I won't hold my breath.

Please do not hold your breath, it is extremely unwise.

[b!z]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

That is true. However a large percentage of people (at least I think it is a large percentage) will try drugs experimentally. There are also some people who may have suffered some kind of trauma that would cause them to turn to drugs in order to cope with their physical and/or emotional pain.

I agree the drug user is somewhat to blame for their problems, but it is far from 100% their fault.

9.2% of the U.S. population according to http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

23.9 million people is a lot when you think about it, even though it's only a small fraction of the population.

[Quickseller]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

That is true. However a large percentage of people (at least I think it is a large percentage) will try drugs experimentally. There are also some people who may have suffered some kind of trauma that would cause them to turn to drugs in order to cope with their physical and/or emotional pain.

I agree the drug user is somewhat to blame for their problems, but it is far from 100% their fault.

9.2% of the U.S. population according to http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

23.9 million people is a lot when you think about it, even though it's only a small fraction of the population.

That report only refers to people who have used an illegal drug in the past month. I was referring to using some kind of illegal drug anytime in their life.

For example someone who experiments with a drug at only one point in their life could potentially become addicted, while someone could experiment some kind of illegal drug once in their life and then stop

[b!z]

drug addiction is in itself a disease

Taking drugs for the first time is a choice, not a disease. Even if its 'hard to get out', he still put himself 'in'.

That is true. However a large percentage of people (at least I think it is a large percentage) will try drugs experimentally. There are also some people who may have suffered some kind of trauma that would cause them to turn to drugs in order to cope with their physical and/or emotional pain.

I agree the drug user is somewhat to blame for their problems, but it is far from 100% their fault.

9.2% of the U.S. population according to http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends

23.9 million people is a lot when you think about it, even though it's only a small fraction of the population.

That report only refers to people who have used an illegal drug in the past month. I was referring to using some kind of illegal drug anytime in their life.

For example someone who experiments with a drug at only one point in their life could potentially become addicted, while someone could experiment some kind of illegal drug once in their life and then stop

Yeah you're right. I assume the % would be a lot higher then. I'd be interested in reading more about it.

[Vod]

To me, dank's legacy will always be ($9,569.60).   The amount he owed Squall.