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This is a very bad gesture for Genesis Mining. Can Marco confirm if this conference really happened? Also I cannot believe in Garza's tweet ( http://archive.is/sgWol#selection-28581.0-28581.25) because he might have photoshopped this image to get Marco into trouble. But if it happened really, then we need to be cautious regarding Genesis Mining.
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IanFoxley
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January 18, 2016, 10:33:52 PM |
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This is a very bad gesture for Genesis Mining. Can Marco confirm if this conference really happened? Also I cannot believe in Garza's tweet ( http://archive.is/sgWol#selection-28581.0-28581.25) because he might have photoshopped this image to get Marco into trouble. But if it happened really, then we need to be cautious regarding Genesis Mining. That picture was taken at a very well publicised Bitcoin conference in Miami where lots of people were attending, infact this years conference is going on there in the next week or so. It was this conference here http://insidebitcoins.com/news/bitcoin-on-the-beach-miami-conference-underway/28955Infact it was the infamous conference where Josh was due to talk in a panel discussion regarding Paybase I think and then at the last minute decided to pull out if i recall. Marco was attending and Josh just came along and had a photo taken with him. Seemed all fairly innocent to me but someone here just likes to bring the photo up now and then for whatever reason.
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January 18, 2016, 10:54:01 PM |
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This is a very bad gesture for Genesis Mining. Can Marco confirm if this conference really happened? Also I cannot believe in Garza's tweet ( http://archive.is/sgWol#selection-28581.0-28581.25) because he might have photoshopped this image to get Marco into trouble. But if it happened really, then we need to be cautious regarding Genesis Mining. Being in a picture with someone does not automatically mean "trouble". However Genesis Mining is not trustworthy for a number of reasons even if you ignore Streng being buddies with Garza. I'm sure referral spammers will try to disagree but GM is a good example of a service that's possibly-semi-legit but a ridiculously bad deal nonetheless. Speaking of which, shouldn't it be 1+2+4+5+7 or at least 1+2+5+7.
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January 19, 2016, 11:39:19 AM |
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Let me share my recent experience with Genesis Mining Recently they decrease the payment dramatically!!! Compared to 1 month ago - now they pay something like 1/10 (or 10%) of what they pay before December 2015 ! So if you like to invest there - the choice is yours
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January 19, 2016, 12:17:21 PM |
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Why does hashnest gets 0/7 listing here?
The first rule here says user selectable pool. As I check my gh/s at hashnest , I can't decide its pool as it seems.
Hashnest is 1/7 at best.
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Indianacoin
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January 21, 2016, 05:42:04 PM |
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Why does hashnest gets 0/7 listing here?
The first rule here says user selectable pool. As I check my gh/s at hashnest , I can't decide its pool as it seems.
Hashnest is 1/7 at best.
Actually Hashnest is already considered to have a user selective pool since it already uses their ancillary pool, Antpool for mining via PPS mode. And more miners preferably seem to like Antpool and you can see for yourself from the total network hashrate distribution pie chart. ( https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs) That is why Hashnest is approximately rated as 0/7 and along with me most others will also accept the same. I am ready to change it to 1/7 in the next update if most of them does not agree with me.
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January 21, 2016, 06:13:47 PM |
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Hi,
bitcoincloudservices.com stopped my payouts last year (2015) after about 5 months of a one year contract. Definitely scam.
But they still accept new "customers".
Nobody there who wants to make them pay?
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Indianacoin
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January 21, 2016, 06:22:29 PM |
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Hi,
bitcoincloudservices.com stopped my payouts last year (2015) after about 5 months of a one year contract. Definitely scam.
But they still accept new "customers".
Nobody there who wants to make them pay?
BCS is definitely a scam from mid-2014. No one can do anything to these websites until the owner gets fed up paying their server fees, resulting in closing them down. As you said they are still taking up orders and newbies are the only ones becoming victims of them. From now on you need to stick to the above list if you do not want to get scammed any further.
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January 22, 2016, 04:24:48 AM |
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Zeushash has stopped paying out to the miners! They have come up with a terrible excuse which is being displayed every time I click the withdrawal button.
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January 22, 2016, 01:16:04 PM |
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Zeushash has stopped paying out to the miners! They have come up with a terrible excuse which is being displayed every time I click the withdrawal button. seems their site become the ponzi, you can sure that they are collapsed within the end of this month, actually they are DDoS protected AFAIK, so the hack cannot be an excuse to suspend their service, if that happens, that means the site is based on the investors' fund instead of using the real mining.
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January 22, 2016, 08:42:25 PM |
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--- UPDATED LIST (22/01/2016) --- Ponzi's that have already collapsed, obsolete or suspended as predicted:Zeushash 1+2+3+4+5 => 5/7 = (very) suspicious (Recently locked all wallets by giving numerous excuses - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg13636220#msg13636220) bitknock.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi PBmining.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Lunaminer.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi coinsoncloud.eu 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Cryptomine.io 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi hashie.co 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi bitcoinlabmining.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi ltcgear 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = (very) suspicious hashprofit.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi minethatcloud.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi CoIntellect.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi terabox.me 1+2+3*+4+5+6+7* => 7*/7 = Ponzi (pictures are not at all convincing, exit strategy involves 60+ days stall tactic) chabatmining.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Ecrypto.co.in 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ confirmed scam, they are no partners of cex.io) GenerateBTC.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi cloudminr.io 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi grmining.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi hashwar.co 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 => 7/7 = Ponzi bitrush.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi scrypt.cc 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 => 7/7 = Ponzi Kryptologika 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Cryptsy MN 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi ( + no details on fee structure) (withdrawl problems noticed!) Coolhash.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software) Bitminr.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software) MineProfit.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software) SpecialMiner.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software) Cryptx PETAmine 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Scryptsy.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi cloudhours.net 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi bitcoinmaker.ch 1+2+3+4+6+7+8 => 7/7 = Ponzi AMhash => 0/7 = Was legit but collapsed eventually KNCcloud 7 => 1/7 = Legit but stopped selling contracts Cex.io 4 => 1/7 = Legit but suspended their contracts Megamine.com 1+4 => 2/7 = Was probably legit but stopped mining without notice! GAWminers 1+4+5+~7 => 4/7*= Partially legit based on criteria set forth. Based on wider context: more suspicious than a nun squatting in a cucumber field.
Likely Ponzi scams that have yet to collapse:HourlyMine.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 => 7/7 = Ponzi cldmine.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8 => 7/7 = Ponzi bitcoinmining.me 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi Skycoinlab.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ organized by serial ponzi scammer: ?topic=583177.msg10298730) btcslice.com 1+2+3+4+5+6+7 => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ pays out in reversible paypal ?) cloudmining.website 2+3+4+5+6+7 => 6/7 = Ponzi eobot.com 1+2+3+5+6+7 => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software) nexusmining.com 1+2*+3+4+5+7 => 6/7 = Ponzi (Guy from Spondoolies says im wrong, but I can't score what I haven't seen and he seems to confirm they have no hardware) minerslab.com 1+2+3+4+6+7 => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ selling hardware that doesnt exist + using purchased "legendary" account) bitcoincloudservices 1+2+4+5+6*+7 => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ founded by known scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860400.msg9638868#msg9638868) cloudmining.sg 1+2+4+6+7 => 5/7 = Ponzi (Founder's LinkedIn account deleted, Uses Weebly's free checkout platform) hashcoins.com and hashflare.io ~1+2+3+4+7 => 5/7 = (very) suspicious (user selectable pool requires fee, dc pictures show no miners, linkedin profile doctored, hardware sales very dubious,..) (*now owned by hashflare.io) Bitminer.eu 1+2+5+6 => 4/7 = suspicious (+ Pictures of their miners might be Photoshopped) Miningsweden.se 1+2*+5+7 => 4/7 = Quite suspicious (*will remove as soon as I receive confirmation from Bitmain)
Probably legit ones:genesis-mining.com 1+2+5+7 => 4/7 = Probably legit. pow88.com 1+2+5 => 3/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment) (Suspicious referral bonus : 1% hourly !!!) Bit-x.com 1+4 => 2/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment, partnership confirmed by Bitfury) haobtc.com 1+2 => 2/7 = Probably Legit (investment based cloudmining company => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1023187.0) bw.com 1 => 1/7 = Legit (1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg13605117#msg13605117) Hashnest 1 => 1/7 = Legit (1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg13605117#msg13605117)
## Do you guys think I need to start a new thread to prevent the updated list from getting hidden under 76 pages of "out-dated" discussions? Let me know in the comments below. Tips are much appreciated for maintaining and updating the list periodically! My tip jar: 1SoumyadbsfCGsSekYdgAkWpGZM3WSaxtThanks
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January 23, 2016, 06:56:00 AM |
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Zeushash has stopped paying out to the miners! They have come up with a terrible excuse which is being displayed every time I click the withdrawal button. Zeus s been receiving nothing but bad press since the day they started operating and it seems they deserve it. Can anyone confirm they own HalleyBTC?
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January 23, 2016, 10:57:58 AM |
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Zeus s been receiving nothing but bad press since the day they started operating and it seems they deserve it. Can anyone confirm they own HalleyBTC?
Nope. Their servers are totally different. Although it is not the ultimate proof but you can take a look at their whois: halleybtc.com registry whois
Domain Name: HALLEYBTC.COM Registrar: HICHINA ZHICHENG TECHNOLOGY LTD. Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 420 Whois Server: grs-whois.hichina.com Referral URL: http://www.net.cn Name Server: F1G1NS1.DNSPOD.NET Name Server: F1G1NS2.DNSPOD.NET Status: ok https://www.icann.org/epp#OK Updated Date: 21-aug-2015 Creation Date: 04-aug-2015 Expiration Date: 04-aug-2016
halleybtc.com registrar whois
Domain Name: halleybtc.com Registry Domain ID: 1951009743_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: grs-whois.hichina.com Registrar URL: http://whois.aliyun.com/ Updated Date: 2015-08-21T13:32:01Z Creation Date: 2015-08-04T14:17:02Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-08-04T14:17:02Z Registrar: HICHINA ZHICHENG TECHNOLOGY LTD. Registrar IANA ID: 420 Reseller: Domain Status: ok http://www.icann.org/epp#OK Registry Registrant ID: Not Available From Registry Registrant Name: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Registrant Organization: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Registrant Street: 3/F.,HiChina Mansion,No.27 Gulouwai Avenue,Dongcheng District,Beijing 100120,China, Registrant City: Beijing Registrant State/Province: Beijing Registrant Postal Code: 100120 Registrant Country: CN Registrant Phone: +86.1065985888 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +86.1065985438 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: email@YinSiBaoHu.AliYun.com Registry Admin ID: Not Available From Registry Admin Name: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Admin Organization: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Admin Street: 3/F.,HiChina Mansion,No.27 Gulouwai Avenue,Dongcheng District,Beijing 100120,China, Admin City: Beijing Admin State/Province: Beijing Admin Postal Code: 100120 Admin Country: CN Admin Phone: +86.1065985888 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax:+86.1065985438 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: email@YinSiBaoHu.AliYun.com Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry Tech Name: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Tech Organization: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Tech Street: 3/F.,HiChina Mansion,No.27 Gulouwai Avenue,Dongcheng District,Beijing 100120,China, Tech City: Beijing Tech State/Province: Beijing Tech Postal Code: 100120 Tech Country: CN Tech Phone: +86.1065985888 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: +86.1065985438 Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: email@YinSiBaoHu.AliYun.com Name Server: f1g1ns1.dnspod.net Name Server: f1g1ns2.dnspod.net DNSSEC: unsigned Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@list.alibaba-inc.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +86.4006008500 URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2015-08-21T13:32:01Z <<<
Registry Billing ID: Not Available From Registry Billing Name: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Billing Organization: YinSi BaoHu Yi KaiQi (Hidden by Whois Privacy Protection Service) Billing Street: 3/F.,HiChina Mansion,No.27 Gulouwai Avenue,Dongcheng District,Beijing 100120,China, Billing City: Beijing Billing State/Province: Beijing Billing Postal Code: 100120 Billing Country: CN Billing Phone: +86.1065985888 Billing Phone Ext: Billing Fax: +86.1065985438 Billing Fax Ext: Billing Email: email@YinSiBaoHu.AliYun.com
zeushash.com registry whois
Domain Name: ZEUSHASH.COM Registrar: GODADDY.COM, LLC Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146 Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com Name Server: COCO.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM Name Server: MATT.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 26-apr-2015 Creation Date: 14-apr-2014 Expiration Date: 14-apr-2016
zeushash.com registrar whois
Domain Name: ZEUSHASH.COM Registry Domain ID: 1854641713_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com Update Date: 2015-03-05T11:56:43Z Creation Date: 2014-04-14T12:03:37Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-04-14T12:03:37Z Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 146 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@godaddy.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4806242505 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited Registry Registrant ID: Not Available From Registry Registrant Name: Miner Zeus Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: CheGongMiao,FuTian Registrant City: ShenZhen Registrant State/Province: GuangDong Registrant Postal Code: 500000 Registrant Country: HK Registrant Phone: +86.18682150553 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: email@zeusminer.com Registry Admin ID: Not Available From Registry Admin Name: Zeus Zeus Admin Organization: Admin Street: CheGongMiao,FuTian Admin City: ShenZhen Admin State/Province: GuangDong Admin Postal Code: 500000 Admin Country: HK Admin Phone: +86.18682150553 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: email@zeusminer.com Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry Tech Name: Zeus Zeus Tech Organization: Tech Street: CheGongMiao,FuTian Tech City: ShenZhen Tech State/Province: GuangDong Tech Postal Code: 500000 Tech Country: HK Tech Phone: +86.18682150553 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: email@zeusminer.com Name Server: COCO.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM Name Server: MATT.NS.CLOUDFLARE.COM DNSSEC: unsigned URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-01-23T10:00:00Z <<<
See if you can find anything similar among the two.
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January 23, 2016, 02:19:21 PM |
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Zeushash has stopped paying out to the miners! They have come up with a terrible excuse which is being displayed every time I click the withdrawal button. Zeus s been receiving nothing but bad press since the day they started operating and it seems they deserve it. Can anyone confirm they own HalleyBTC? What would be the point of proving that they own it or operate it? They advertised it directly through their main website, wouldn't that be enough to prove a close relation between the two? HalleyBTC is just another ponzi much like Zeushash's mining scheme that never paid out.
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I see someone else has been updating the list; I dont really mind that, but please keep in mind the list isnt what matters most, its the rationale behind it. I fear having a list of "least worst" mining securities draws in investments that will still end up generating losses as cloud mining investment remains a stupid idea that overall can not yield a BTC denominated profit. The only profits to be had are short term flipping or exploiting the greater fool theory.
Also, I have not been following the mining/ponzi scene for quite some time, but at least one in that updated list is incorrect. Cryptx was never a ponzi. It was a hugely overpriced mining bond that I predicted would result in terrible losses, but that doesnt make it a ponzi. Even though I was the most vocal, if not only voice warning investors that it was a monumentally stupid investment at that time, it scored 0 in my assessment, and that was appropriate then, still is today. Much like GigaVPS once upon a time, and not entirely unlike Cex.io it was one of the more honest and transparent offers; you cant blame the issuers for investors willing to pay 5-10x more than what it could realistically yield in mining dividends.
Please keep it as it was, along with amhash it serves as a good reminder that good scores on this ponzi assessment list say nothing about the likelihood of producing a profit. A good understanding of the zero sum mining game and the economics of producing vs selling asics is a far better predictor.
btw, even though the latter website may still be up, bitcoincloudservices and minerslab have already collapsed. Im sure there are more on that list that are already defunct.
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January 25, 2016, 01:05:10 PM |
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At last you replied after so long Yes I have been updating the list since the former one is backdated according to the recent trend I suppose. Also, I have not been following the mining/ponzi scene for quite some time, but at least one in that updated list is incorrect. Cryptx was never a ponzi. I support your statement but I dont think its worth mentioning Cryptx is legit now since all newbies will get mislead by the former controversies. Please keep it as it was, along with amhash it serves as a good reminder that good scores on this ponzi assessment list say nothing about the likelihood of producing a profit. A good understanding of the zero sum mining game and the economics of producing vs selling asics is a far better predictor.
Should I? Or will it be better if I add a note beside them stating that they were legit before but suspended their contracts afterwards? Note: I actually updated the list with my main intention to provide a helping hand for new comers who might get carried away with the outdated facts.
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January 25, 2016, 01:17:36 PM |
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newcomers might get carried away by up to date facts too. After all these years, many people still dont understand the fundamentals of mining. Even people that have been around for years often fail to understand that as long as there is a profit to be made from mining, its going to be exploited by the asic manufacturers either via sales, or self mining; not their customers and especially not those customers' investors. As for cryptx, scoring it as a predicted ponzi is simply incorrect, I dont see how an untruth could be more helpful than the truth. It was legit, even if it was a terrible investment. And yes, rumors of my death have been slightly exaggerated . Ive just been fed up with signal to noise ratio on this board.
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January 25, 2016, 02:02:42 PM |
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Zeushash has stopped paying out to the miners! They have come up with a terrible excuse which is being displayed every time I click the withdrawal button. Zeus s been receiving nothing but bad press since the day they started operating and it seems they deserve it. Can anyone confirm they own HalleyBTC? What would be the point of proving that they own it or operate it? They advertised it directly through their main website, wouldn't that be enough to prove a close relation between the two? HalleyBTC is just another ponzi much like Zeushash's mining scheme that never paid out. The same happened to cointellect exactly last year: at some point payments got suspended and the ponzi scam revelead itself for what it was.
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January 28, 2016, 04:14:51 AM |
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I would like to introduce Lbtcl.com, a new hash rate market. Currently, you can buy 1TH for 0.59BTC. Check it out.
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January 29, 2016, 06:57:16 PM |
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Did you hear back from BITMAINS for miningsweden.se?
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