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December 20, 2014, 04:27:32 AM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

how many NSA letters have you received?

Nice to see how you rolled over and took it up the ass from the US Attorney. Good job!

Do you fancy taking on the US Government for no apparent reason in a non personal battle which doesn't impact you at all? No? Okay then.

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I have a weird feeling that wants me to believe that there could be a connection between this and theymos not accepting ads from bitmixer. Maybe after receiving a subpoena he's afraid to sell advertisment space to any website that could be considered a money launderer in any way. Because we all know that this is one of the main reasons people use bitcoin mixers and tumblers aside of anonimity.



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December 20, 2014, 04:59:24 AM
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I won't post my response because it contains deleted posts which should remain private if at all possible. Probably my response will end up as part of public record, but I'm not going to speed up the process or make it easier for people to find. I already PMed the users affected by this.

Just curious, but is PMing users affected by this acceptable?
Wouldn't it be considered as tipping off people under investigation?
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December 20, 2014, 05:05:38 AM
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Why wouldn't it be (unless it specifically stated)? DPR is the one under investigation not everyone else.

I have a weird feeling that wants me to believe that there could be a connection between this and theymos not accepting ads from bitmixer. Maybe after receiving a subpoena he's afraid to sell advertisment space to any website that could be considered a money launderer in any way. Because we all know that this is one of the main reasons people use bitcoin mixers and tumblers aside of anonimity.

But if that was the case then exchanges and gambling sites would likely also be disallowed. You can just as easily mix your coins by sending to a gambling site then launder your funds through an exchange (many of which are already illegal and against US laws for not complying with AML laws and other such restrictions etc). This is the problem with not clarifying as people are worrying and being paranoid and trying to put two and two together.

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December 20, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

how many NSA letters have you received?

Nice to see how you rolled over and took it up the ass from the US Attorney. Good job!

Do you fancy taking on the US Government for no apparent reason in a non personal battle which doesn't impact you at all? No? Okay then.

theymos is a freakin pussy and helping to put ulbricht in jail is what I'm saying.

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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

how many NSA letters have you received?

Nice to see how you rolled over and took it up the ass from the US Attorney. Good job!
Theymos needs to follow the rule of law. Like he said above he could have fought the subpoena on a technicality however they would have eventually compelled him to turn over the evidence that he turned over.

I speculate that you are against him complying with subpeonas because you do not want your identity potentially revealed or evidence against you revealed to law enforcement as you have stolen money from others on here before
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Was'nt theymos based in Europe? If so then he could reply the e-mail with pseudorandom string of bad words and not give the required data. And destroy properly encrypt the requested data forever.

I have personal experience by not giving data from one of webpages around the time I was helping to improve it. The webpage owner was good guy to stand his ground and finally after more than 6 months the counterintelligence agency gave up. The standoff caused some resonance in society here but the story was quickly replaced by Kardashians buttocks. Modern ZOG controlled media...

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Nah, he's in the midwest.

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December 25, 2014, 06:23:17 PM
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If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
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If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.

Or think its possible to take on the government and win when it comes to internet matters.

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If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
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If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
He has no obligation to commit perjury.
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If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
He has no obligation to commit perjury.
The forum was hacked.Theymos can probably speak to the integrity of the posts, PM's ect contained in the forum's DB (and backups) better then I can (as well as how the hacks affected such integrity. I would say there is a good chance that such integrity is not 100% for every post/PM. This is why a good security practice is to get (and verify) a signed PGP (or bitcoin) message from a key that you know belongs to the person you are dealing with in order to authenticate that you are dealing with who you think you are dealing with.

If I was personally in theymos's position (and decided to not fight the subpoena) then I would elect to make a personal appearance instead of sending that form to make a disclosure that the business records are not guaranteed to be authentic as well as the fact that many people have attempted to alter business records
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January 18, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?
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January 18, 2015, 09:57:38 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

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January 18, 2015, 10:33:16 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?

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January 18, 2015, 11:19:43 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?

Thats not what a subpoena is... You most often reply in writing against a sworn statement + information.

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January 18, 2015, 11:21:38 PM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?

Thats not what a subpoena is... You most often reply in writing against a sworn statement + information.

That's not very exciting I guess...

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January 20, 2015, 01:46:46 AM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.
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January 20, 2015, 01:52:55 AM
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This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.

Homero Josh Garza is next.

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