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December 13, 2014, 05:21:53 AM
Last edit: December 13, 2014, 07:39:43 PM by KWH
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In reference to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888960.20

After looking over and looking closely at the Trust details of less than half of your Trust, I found several interesting things. Now, I am not accusing you of anything but needing to prune your list. I find you business savvy and would trade with you.
1. You have quite a few Newbies and users with low post counts or time on the forum.
2. It looks like you have padded your Risked BTC amount. Both seller and buyer seem to share the same Risked amounts. May be the case,  may not but it does look funny.
3. Several of those on your Trust list have less than 1-3 trades and I fail to see how this is just cause to be added to the Trust list.
4. Please prune your enormous list, it is only adding problems to the already flawed system, now and later. Doing business with a user should amass Positive, Neutral or Negative Trust but in any case a few successful trades is not cause to be added to the Trust list.
Only going through less than half, I posted some below. I am not accusing these people of any wrong doing. I do believe most should not be on the Trust list.


Edit:
I have finished browsing through this lengthy list. All I can add is most of it needs to be truncated. So many Newbies, Jr. Members and Member accounts with one common denominator: They bought from CanaryInTheMine.
Everyone, please look through the list for yourself and then decide.
Also to add, If had an agenda, what is it? I don't endorse anyone in particular, I have no sig. campaigns and I used my real account.

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+1 on this.

Many of the people on his trust list should not be on the default trust network, which is giving them power that it is not approbate for them to have.

One thing to add is that you (CanaryInTheMine) recently removed someone from your trust list because they made an off the cuff response to an off topic thread saying they might sell their account in the future. I would say that the majority of the accounts above are potential accounts that could be sold in the future, some with the possibility that their owner has no idea of the power they hold and are selling.

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was this case like this one ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822764.0
 I've ever ask about it

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 I would say that the majority of the accounts above are potential accounts that could be sold in the future, some with the possibility that their owner has no idea of the power they hold and are selling.

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Can someone please point me out the relationship between CanaryInTheMine & friedcat ? Are they some sort of business partner ? I found the following facts about them...

1. friedcat runs ASICminer and CanaryInTheMine leads group buys from it.

2. Anyone speaks against ASICminer or other companies run by friedcat gets thrown out of trust list of CanaryInTheMine or his descendants.

3. Rockminer, the ASICminer partner in AM hash project, is in the signature of CanaryInTheMine.

4. CanaryInTheMine is very supportive about most thing friedcat does...

Wow.  This is friedcat.
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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.
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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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It appears that Mabsark is abusing the trust system, but you ended up leaving his positive trust and adding someone to your trust list who previously gave him positive trust.

Having a large trust list does not do anything to stop scams unless they are actually able to use good judgment in spotting potential scams. Even if you were to ignore this fact, the majority of the people on your trust list have only given feedback to you, if anyone.

The result of your trust list is that you have what is essentially a circle of people who have given positive feedback to each-other who all appear to make themselves look trustworthy when they probably are not. This results in people being able to scam by having a somewhat legitimate reason to avoid using escrow for potential deals.

A large trust list also makes it very easy to "cry" scam in order to strong-arm someone to do what they want. Even if people are not abusing the trust system it will result in a lot of false scam reports when someone does not understand how to use the trust system.  

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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.
if someone abuses the trust let me know. 

if i added just because of "sales" the list would probably have over a thousand entries.
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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.
if someone abuses the trust let me know. 

if i added just because of "sales" the list would probably have over a thousand entries.


Again, it's not just about abuse. You have added far too many Newbies and other accounts with very little trades. In doing so, it make you appear to be running your own Circle of Trust to reward buyers. Anyone can see the potential abuse this is leading to.
I officially request you review and prune out the list I have posted so far. I have many more to add.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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it doesn't appear that Mabsark is abusing his trust.  Highly respected members of the forum have looked at this issue and provided their opinions on a different thread.  If this isn't the case and it can shown and agreed by mods that he is abusing then go ahead and show that.  I haven't seen abuse in this case.  What I have seen is potential scammers getting pissed that they got stopped dead in their tracks.

It appears that Mabsark is abusing the trust system, but you ended up leaving his positive trust and adding someone to your trust list who previously gave him positive trust.

Having a large trust list does not do anything to stop scams unless they are actually able to use good judgment in spotting potential scams. Even if you were to ignore this fact, the majority of the people on your trust list have only given feedback to you, if anyone.

The result of your trust list is that you have what is essentially a circle of people who have given positive feedback to each-other who all appear to make themselves look trustworthy when they probably are not. This results in people being able to scam by having a somewhat legitimate reason to avoid using escrow for potential deals.

A large trust list also makes it very easy to "cry" scam in order to strong-arm someone to do what they want. Even if people are not abusing the trust system it will result in a lot of false scam reports when someone does not understand how to use the trust system.  
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it doesn't appear that Mabsark is abusing his trust.  Highly respected members of the forum have looked at this issue and provided their opinions on a different thread.  If this isn't the case and it can shown and agreed by mods that he is abusing then go ahead and show that.  I haven't seen abuse in this case.  What I have seen is potential scammers getting pissed that they got stopped dead in their tracks.

It appears that Mabsark is abusing the trust system, but you ended up leaving his positive trust and adding someone to your trust list who previously gave him positive trust.

Having a large trust list does not do anything to stop scams unless they are actually able to use good judgment in spotting potential scams. Even if you were to ignore this fact, the majority of the people on your trust list have only given feedback to you, if anyone.

The result of your trust list is that you have what is essentially a circle of people who have given positive feedback to each-other who all appear to make themselves look trustworthy when they probably are not. This results in people being able to scam by having a somewhat legitimate reason to avoid using escrow for potential deals.

A large trust list also makes it very easy to "cry" scam in order to strong-arm someone to do what they want. Even if people are not abusing the trust system it will result in a lot of false scam reports when someone does not understand how to use the trust system.  



What scams have the many Newbies that only have feedback from your group buys stopped dead in their tracks?

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.
if someone abuses the trust let me know. 

if i added just because of "sales" the list would probably have over a thousand entries.


Again, it's not just about abuse. You have added far too many Newbies and other accounts with very little trades. In doing so, it make you appear to be running your own Circle of Trust to reward buyers. Anyone can see the potential abuse this is leading to.
I officially request you review and prune out the list I have posted so far. I have many more to add.
how can they be "rewarded" if you say some have no trades?  your logic is all over the place.  you have an agenda here.
thank you for your feedback and opinion.  i'll be more than happy to look into any actual abuses.
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if someone on my list abuses the trust let me know and it will be handled appropriately.  several instances have been already dealt with before and if necessary they can be dealt with in the future...

the larger the trusted list is the more effective it is in producing correct feedback to root out scams on the forums.

a small trust list is useless in catching and stopping scams.

scammers of all kinds have been pissed lately because their scams are stopped quickly by vigilant members of the forums,  their objective is to eliminate obstacles to their scamming... if they can reduce the default trust list, they will only increase their scams.

This has little to do with stopping scammers but many on your circle of Trust are very questionable. I am still going through the posted list.
Also, you seem to be padding your Risked BTC amounts for some reason.
Again, I ask you to go through your lengthy list and reconsider your circle of Trust, far too many of these additions should not be there as it looks like you added them just because of sales.
if someone abuses the trust let me know.  

if i added just because of "sales" the list would probably have over a thousand entries.


Again, it's not just about abuse. You have added far too many Newbies and other accounts with very little trades. In doing so, it make you appear to be running your own Circle of Trust to reward buyers. Anyone can see the potential abuse this is leading to.
I officially request you review and prune out the list I have posted so far. I have many more to add.
how can they be "rewarded" if you say some have no trades?  your logic is all over the place.  you have an agenda here.
thank you for your feedback and opinion.  i'll be more than happy to look into any actual abuses.

Oh, they have trades, with you. I have no agenda other than fairness. You are polluting the Trust system with your group buyers. You are also padding your Risked BTC.
If they have no trades or deals, just how is it they appeared on your Trust?

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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it doesn't appear that Mabsark is abusing his trust.  Highly respected members of the forum have looked at this issue and provided their opinions on a different thread.  If this isn't the case and it can shown and agreed by mods that he is abusing then go ahead and show that.  I haven't seen abuse in this case.  What I have seen is potential scammers getting pissed that they got stopped dead in their tracks.

It appears that Mabsark is abusing the trust system, but you ended up leaving his positive trust and adding someone to your trust list who previously gave him positive trust.

Having a large trust list does not do anything to stop scams unless they are actually able to use good judgment in spotting potential scams. Even if you were to ignore this fact, the majority of the people on your trust list have only given feedback to you, if anyone.

The result of your trust list is that you have what is essentially a circle of people who have given positive feedback to each-other who all appear to make themselves look trustworthy when they probably are not. This results in people being able to scam by having a somewhat legitimate reason to avoid using escrow for potential deals.

A large trust list also makes it very easy to "cry" scam in order to strong-arm someone to do what they want. Even if people are not abusing the trust system it will result in a lot of false scam reports when someone does not understand how to use the trust system.  
The people who share the opinions all have their interests aligned as they are all promoting AM1 on havelock, likely are all shareholders of AM1 (many have admitting to being so). They are also promoting their message almost in unison making it appear they are being controlled by one or few people.

He is also forcing the companies that he gave negative trust to prove they are not scamming, this deprives them of due process as due process requires that the aggressor provide evidence against the person they claim to have broken some rule. In other words it is up to Mabsark to give evidence that the companies are scamming or are trying to scam.

I have also not seen very many people on your trust list (if any) stop scams in their tracks.

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Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

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CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.
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Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

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I trust CanaryInTheMine , he is an honest an reputable user!

CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.

What is the problem if I trust him ? I've left him the feedback only because he's an honest person.
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Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

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I trust CanaryInTheMine , he is an honest an reputable user!

CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.

What is the problem if I trust him ? I've left him the feedback only because he's an honest person.

I was pointing out a possible flaw in the current system.
Did he add you after or before you left the feedback?
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Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

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I trust CanaryInTheMine , he is an honest an reputable user!

CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.
I think this is clear trust padding on CanaryInTheMine's part. I have always had reservations about redsn0w, but would not go as far as to say he is planning any kind of long con, but would also probably take his trust reports with some level of a grain of salt. I don't think it is appropriate for him to be on default trust.

If he wants to make a scam report then he can open a scam accusation, like I am sure he knows how to properly do. IMO this really should be the way to stop a scam in it's tracks as it is a way to give much more evidence and public discussion about a potential scam

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I was pointing out a possible flaw in the current system.
Did he add you after or before you left the feedback?

It is not a flaw , I think we can send also a feedback without complete a deal.

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I think this is clear trust padding on CanaryInTheMine's part. I have always had reservations about redsn0w, but would not go as far as to say he is planning any kind of long con, but would also probably take his trust reports with some level of a grain of salt. I don't think it is appropriate for him to be on default trust.

If he wants to make a scam report then he can open a scam accusation, like I am sure he knows how to properly do. IMO this really should be the way to stop a scam in it's tracks as it is a way to give much more evidence and public discussion about a potential scam


Are you serious ? All this story only for a trust feedback to a reputable user ?
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Its a self feedback loop which is increasing CanaryInTheMine's trust rating.

For instance, redsn0w sent a positive rating today

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CanaryInTheMine 150: -0 / +331(331)   2014-12-13   0.00000000      
I trust CanaryInTheMine , he is an honest an reputable user!

CanaryInTheMine added redsn0w to his list which resulted in another trusted feedback for him. I think this is a flaw in the trust system which leads one level 1 member to improve his trust rating.

What is the problem if I trust him ? I've left him the feedback only because he's an honest person.
The problem is not with you. The problem is that he responded to you leaving him positive trust by adding you to his trust list. This made it so his trust rating was increased.

Can you honestly say that he would have added you to his trust list if you expressed reservations about him, havelock or ASICminer?

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