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August 14, 2018, 12:16:36 PM
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Please read: https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq.php?id=60

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Fellow bitcoiners:


Quick summary:



I) I have on the Rock Trading exchange 35519 euros and they blocked all my means of withdrawal, including all crypto, 9 months ago.

II) They refused several times to explain why, including on this thread.

III) They didn't tell me about the withdrawal block and let me keep entrapping money with deposits and trading/paying fees for months unaware of the block.

IV) When I complained, they demanded my documents even if their FAQ says "verification isn't mandatory" and the Rock CFO had confirmed me by email that verification was voluntary.

V) Since I argued this, they eventually said I didn't have to send my documents, but they said that my money would be kept blocked "much more time".

VI) When I said I would take this public, they started demanding a copy of my documents again.

VII) Mandatory verification has no basis on their TOS, so they invented an applicable european directive. But they know very well directives only apply to States in order for them to create legislation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union).

VIII) Italy adopted their Legislative Decree No. 90 of 25 May 2017 on AML and KYC duties, but his article 3, n.º 5, says that crypto exchanges are restrictively ("limitatamente") subject to this duties only on their operations of conversion from crypto to fiat. That is, to customers who ask for fiat withdrawals. I left clear that I wouldn't ask for any fiat withdrawal.

IX) They just confirmed they are going to keep my money for good, even if I have overwhelming evidence that it's mine (check below).

X) Taken in account my overwhelming evidence, the fact that they keep raising doubts about my ownership is another confirmation that this is all pretexts and lies in order for them to keep my money. No honest person would deny my ownership.

XI) What they are doing is completely contrary to italian law (quoted above) and their own TOS/FAQ (see detailed analysis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg46225609#msg46225609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851


My evidence:

I) I have the login and password of my Rock account.

II) I have the login and password of the email associated with the account and I wrote them using this email.

III) The IP I have is and always have been from the same country and location.

IV) There is a second Rock account that the Rock knows is related to me. An email was sent from that email account confirming my identity.

V) I quoted detailed conversations I had with the CTO Paci on Second Life 6 years ago.

VI) I can confirm my identity using the Second Life account associated with my Rock account.

VII) I still own the banking account to where small euro withdrawals were made from my Rock Account in 2013.

VIII) I still own the account on another exchange from which I made almost all crypto deposits on the Rock and I have scans of their transactions.

IX) About 2 months passed since this public war started. If I wasn't the owner, the real me would already claimed the money.


More details:


I have been an unverified customer of The Rock Trading (www.therocktrading.com) for 7 years.

Currently I have there 35519 euros (and 99 XRPs). Check a scan of my euro balance.



You can confirm the scan was made on 16 August 2018. Check the 2018 on the market graphic and the date on the last trade on the market, on the top right.

The number in front of bitcoins might suggest that I have there also bitcoins, but it’s just the digits that appear when one has only a few satoshis. I don’t have bitcoins there.

I had to erase the name/login for security reasons but the balance isn’t on dispute.

Call me stupid for having so much money on an exchange, but I was expecting a crash of bitcoin so I couldn’t have the money in bitcoin on my wallet. Had to sell on March and wait.

Beside, I had good relations with both founders and talked with them many times on Second Life with the CTO (nick Paci at bitcointalk) and by email with the CFO (nick Eliale).

For now, I’m going to avoid using their real names, even if they are published on their site and here.

Until 2014, unverified customers could do fiat withdrawals and I did 4 small ones on 2013, with a total amount of less than 1000 euros, to an euro banking account in order to use it on a debit card.

After June or July 2014, they changed their TOS and FAQ which reads currently: “Verification is not mandatory, but in order to deposit/withdraw fiat currencies you will need it” https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq.php?id=27.

The CFO Eliale assured me on a July 2014 email that as long as I didn’t request a fiat deposit or withdrawal after this change, I didn’t have to verify my account.

Of course, I never asked after this for a fiat withdrawal.


Well several months ago, probably in January or early February 2018, I noticed that my automatic bitcoin withdrawals limit was reduced from 5 to 0: I couldn’t make any withdrawal without asking support for a manual one.

This looked strange, but since they didn’t say anything, I thought that this was a temporary mistake, they would change it. And I didn’t need to do any withdrawal.

But they didn’t block my deposits or trading. I even made a 99 XRP deposit on 21 February 2018.

So my withdrawals have been blocked at least from January or early February 2018 and they said nothing to me about any problem. Moreover they blocked the withdrawals but let me keep obliviously trading/paying fees and making deposits.

When I complained, instead of apologizing for the problem, they kept the block and demanded me to verify my account by sending my personal documents, using 4 different contradictory justifications:

I)   Quoting the first answer of their support system: “in order to gain access to withdrawals we need you to verify your account since you traded fiat currencies.”

We already know that this is a blatant violation of their FAQ quoted above
. I was asking for a bitcoin withdrawal, not a fiat one and only fiat withdrawals require verification, not trading fiat.

II)   I complained to the CFO Eliale by email and he told me the second justification: “In order to protect our customers funds from fraudulent actions, we need to verify that the account owner is the real account owner.” because “from time to time when our security checks are triggered, we do have to follow strict verification processes.”.

Of course, he never revealed why I triggered any security check or why there were doubts about my ownership or why they were blocking my withdrawals for months without giving any justification or even inform me.

III)   Then, the CTO, who uses here the nick Paci, on an email of 21 august, added a third different justification: “Your profile looked suspicious to our internal automatic security checks”.

After 7 year as a customer? If it was an automatic security system, they should apology and allow again my withdrawals, taking in account my history with the Rock, their TOS/FAQ and the CFO assurances that I wouldn’t have to send personal documents.

IV)   Then the support system added a 4th contradictory justification, nothing about any security issue: “you have several EUR withdrawals, that is the reason why our compliance team asked for you to verify your account.”

They were invoking the 4 small withdrawals I made before the change on the TOS/FAQ, done in 2013, 5 years ago! They wanted to apply their new 2014 TOS version to previous acts done under a TOS version that allowed them! It’s like punishing someone for acts done when the law allowed those acts.

Their TOS is very clear: they can only demand verification from current unverified customers if there is an “anomalous or not completely transparent operations on the User's account” (see point 8.3: https://www.therocktrading.com/en/service_terms/3 ).

They didn’t even try to substantiate any suspicious transaction, only the quoted bogus, contradictory and against FAQ/TOS justifications.
   
   And, in case of any block, point 8.4 of their own TOS demands them to make “useful efforts by TRT to contact the User and urge the completion of the due verification process”.
   But they are blocking my withdrawals for months and didn’t even inform me that the block was intentional and that there was a problem. I had to go to them.

   
   And they know perfectly well the origin of my money.



On his email of 21 August 2018, the CTO Paci accepted that there isn’t an issue about my ownership of my Rock account: “the people who are doing support don't know you or your activity in second life”.

And he even wrote I didn’t have to send any personal documents: “BTW, is there any particular problems in providing some documents, if
I may ask? [ ] Anyway, feel free to not do it, if you wish so.”

But he added a very suspicious sentence: “Just be aware that our
support team will try other methods to check that the request to
withdraw is coming from the legitimate owner of the account, but that will
require much more time until we feel almost 100% secure.”.


They had no other way to verify on their own that I’m the legitimate owner beside the many ones I gave them.

Much less a way that is going to “require much more time”.

They have been blocking my withdrawals for at least 6 months and they are demanding more time?

They have no reason to suspect that I’m not the legitimate owner and I gave then even more evidence of this.


Why I’m unwilling to send them my documents:

I) I value my privacy very much.

II) Their TOS and FAQ give me the right not to send my documents and stay as unverified customer. They gave four contradictory explications on why they were asking for my documents. All against their own TOS/FAQ or bogus.

III) It's very risky to give a copy of our documents to anyone, especially using the Internet. One of their employees can make a copy, sell it or use it on some criminal activity or they might be hacked and then I'll end in trouble.

IV) They blocked my withdrawals for months without even inform me and violated clearly their TOS and FAQ, I certainly won't trust them my documents.

V) Since they blocked my withdrawals covertly and violated their TOS and FAQ and disrespected the personal assurance they gave me that they wouldn't ask for my documents, they are acting on a very suspicious way: there is a big risk that they won't release my funds after I send them my documents. They can invent another pretext to keep my money. Someone who disrespects his word once, will do it again without problems.

VI) Because they are blackmailing me for sending my documents and holding illegally my money, I'm going to give large publicity to the way they acted and are acting. This will ruin their reputation for good. If I sent my documents and they didn’t release my money, any publicity to their acts could make them use my documents on illegal ways as retaliation.



Conclusion:

Since I have unquestionable evidence that I’m the owner of my Rock Account and money, this is going to end on the police and courts, so I’m going to measure my words and let you take your own conclusions.

I)   I have a high balance.

II)   They have been blocking my withdrawals for months without inform me.

III)   They presented several contradictory justifications for demanding my personal documents, all of them against their TOS, FAQ and personal assurances.

IV)   They have recognized that there isn’t a real issue about my ownership of my account, I presented several evidences and I’m offering to present even more. But they didn’t show any interest on any evidence, they just insist on my documents because they now I won’t send them.

V)   Sending my documents won’t real be an additional evidence of my ownership and this might be a delayed tactic to keep my withdrawals blocked: first tactic that is going to be followed by others like: video holding documents, authenticated documents, etc. Simple pretexts to keep my money.

VI)   Even after their CTO gave up on demanding my documents, he didn’t apologize for frozen my withdrawals for months without any warning or said he was going to unfroze them, he wrote any withdrawal would take “much more time”, without even saying how long or why.

VII)   After I wrote that if they didn’t allow me to do a 2 bitcoin withdrawal that I need (less than 1/3 of my money) I would be force to post this on bitcointalk, the CFO Eliale started asking for my documents again against the writing word of his co-founder CTO Paci.


             Take your own conclusions.

    To the very least they are claiming the right to block the withdrawals of any customer for months without even inform them and, when the customers finally complain, to blackmail them to give all personal documents and even monkey pictures against their TOS/FAQ and personal assurances, no matter how many evidence the customer has presented that he is the legitimate owner of his money, and will keep his money blocked without presenting any date to release it. And, by coincidence, they did that to a customer with a high balance.

            Since my ownership can’t be denied, they have to allow me to withdraw my money or there won’t be any doubt that they are scammers.


   So, Rock customers be aware: today they are keeping my money, tomorrow who knows…


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Amici del bitcoin:


Sono stato un cliente non verificato di The Rock Trading (www.therocktrading.com) per 7 anni.

Attualmente ho lì 35519 euro (e 99 XRP). Controlla una scansione del mio saldo in euro.
Immagine

Puoi confermare che la scansione sia stata effettuata il 16 agosto 2018. Controlla il 2018 sul grafico del mercato e la data dell'ultima operazione sul mercato, in alto a destra.

Il numero di bitcoin potrebbe suggerire di avere anche bitcoin, ma sono solo le cifre che appaiono quando si hanno solo pochi sathi. Non ho bitcoin lì.

Ho dovuto cancellare il nome / login per motivi di sicurezza, ma il saldo non è in discussione.

Chiamami stupido per avere così tanti soldi in cambio, ma mi aspettavo un crash di bitcoin quindi non potevo avere i soldi in bitcoin sul mio portafoglio. Dovevo vendere a marzo e aspettare.

Inoltre, ho avuto buoni rapporti con entrambi i fondatori e ho parlato con loro molte volte su Second Life con il CTO (nick Paci su bitcointalk) e via email con il CFO (nick Eliale).

Per ora, eviterò di usare i loro veri nomi, anche se sono pubblicati sul loro sito e qui.

Fino al 2014, i clienti non verificati potevano effettuare prelievi fiat e ne ho fatti 4 piccoli nel 2013, con un importo totale inferiore a 1000 euro, su un conto bancario che ha un IBAN in euro e una carta di debito.

Dopo giugno o luglio 2014, hanno cambiato i loro TOS e le FAQ che si leggono al momento: "La verifica non è obbligatoria, ma per depositare / ritirare le valute legali è necessario" https://support.therocktrading.com/kb/faq. php? id = 27.

Il CFO Eliale mi ha assicurato un'e-mail del luglio 2014 che, fino a quando non ho richiesto un deposito fiat o un prelievo dopo questo cambiamento, non ho dovuto verificare il mio account.

Certo, non ho mai chiesto questo per un ritiro fiat.

Beh, diversi mesi fa, probabilmente a gennaio o agli inizi di febbraio 2018, ho notato che il mio limite di prelievi automatici di bitcoin era stato ridotto da 5 a 0: non potevo effettuare alcun prelievo senza chiedere supporto per uno manuale.

Sembrava strano, ma poiché non hanno detto nulla, ho pensato che si trattasse di un errore temporaneo, lo avrebbero cambiato. E non ho bisogno di fare alcun ritiro.

Ma non hanno bloccato i miei depositi o il commercio. Ho anche effettuato un deposito di 99 XRP il 21 febbraio 2018.

Quindi i miei prelievi sono stati bloccati almeno da gennaio o inizio febbraio 2018 e non mi hanno detto nulla riguardo a nessun problema. Inoltre hanno bloccato i prelievi, ma mi hanno lasciato continuare a commerciare / pagare tasse e fare depositi.

Quando mi sono lamentato, invece di scusarmi per il problema, hanno tenuto il blocco e mi hanno chiesto di verificare il mio account inviando i miei documenti personali, utilizzando 4 diverse giustificazioni contraddittorie:

I) Citando la prima risposta del loro sistema di supporto: "al fine di ottenere l'accesso ai prelievi, abbiamo bisogno che tu verifichi il tuo account dal momento che hai negoziato valute legali".

Sappiamo già che questa è una palese violazione delle loro FAQ citate sopra. Stavo chiedendo un ritiro dal bitcoin, non un fiat e solo i prelievi fiat richiedono la verifica, non il trading fiat.

II) Mi sono rivolto al CFO Eliale per e-mail e mi ha detto la seconda giustificazione: "Al fine di proteggere i fondi dei nostri clienti da azioni fraudolente, dobbiamo verificare che il proprietario dell'account sia il vero proprietario dell'account." Perché "di volta in volta tempo in cui vengono attivati i nostri controlli di sicurezza, dobbiamo seguire rigorosi processi di verifica. ".

Certo, non ha mai rivelato perché ho attivato alcun controllo di sicurezza o perché c'erano dubbi sulla mia proprietà o sul motivo per cui stavano bloccando i miei prelievi per mesi senza dare alcuna giustificazione o addirittura informarmi.

III) Quindi, il CTO, che utilizza qui il nick Paci, su una e-mail del 21 agosto, ha aggiunto una terza giustificazione diversa: "Il tuo profilo sembrava sospetto ai nostri controlli di sicurezza automatici interni".

Dopo 7 anni come cliente? Se si trattava di un sistema di sicurezza automatico, dovrebbero scusarsi e consentire nuovamente i miei prelievi, tenendo conto della mia storia con il Rock, dei loro TOS / FAQ e del CFO che non avrei dovuto inviare documenti personali.

IV) Quindi il sistema di supporto ha aggiunto una quarta giustificazione contraddittoria, nulla su qualsiasi problema di sicurezza: "hai diversi prelievi in euro, questo è il motivo per cui il nostro team di conformità ti ha chiesto di verificare il tuo account".

Stavano invocando i 4 piccoli prelievi che ho fatto prima del cambiamento sui TOS / FAQ, fatto nel 2013, 5 anni fa! Volevano applicare la loro nuova versione TOS 2014 agli atti precedenti fatti in una versione TOS che li permetteva! È come punire qualcuno per atti compiuti quando la legge ha permesso quelle azioni.

I loro TOS sono molto chiari: possono solo richiedere la verifica dai clienti non verificati correnti se c'è "un'operazione anomala o non completamente trasparente sull'account dell'Utente" (vedere il punto 8.3: https://www.therocktrading.com/en/service_terms/ 3).

Non hanno neanche provato a dimostrare alcuna transazione sospetta, solo le citazioni fasulle, contraddittorie e contro le FAQ / TOS.

E, in caso di blocco, il punto 8.4 del proprio TOS chiede loro di fare "utili sforzi da parte di TRT per contattare l'utente e sollecitare il completamento del processo di verifica dovuto".
Ma stanno bloccando i miei prelievi da mesi e non mi hanno nemmeno informato che il blocco era intenzionale e che c'era un problema. Dovevo andare da loro.

E sanno perfettamente l'origine dei miei soldi.

La mia proprietà del mio account non è il problema:
I) Ho il login e la password del mio account Rock.
II) Ho il login e la password dell'email associata all'account e li ho scritti utilizzando questa email.
III) L'IP che ho è e sempre appartenente allo stesso paese e luogo.
IV) C'è un secondo account Rock che il Rock sa è collegato a me, creato con il permesso del CFO Eliale nel 2014. Una mail è stata inviata da quell'account che conferma la mia identità.
V) Ho citato conversazioni dettagliate che ho avuto con il CTO Paci su Second Life 6 anni fa.
VI) Le ho scritte più volte che ero disponibile per andare su Second Life e confermare la mia identità usando l'account di Second Life associato al mio account Rock. Hanno ignorato l'offerta.
VII) Possiedo ancora il conto bancario dove sono stati effettuati i prelievi in euro dal mio account Rock nel 2013. Questa è una chiara prova su qualsiasi tribunale che il conto Rock sia mio. Sono disposto a fare una scansione del suo account online e inviarlo se promettono di liberare i miei fondi.

Sulla sua e-mail del 21 agosto 2018, il CTO Paci ha accettato che non c'è un problema sulla mia proprietà del mio account Rock: "le persone che stanno sostenendo non conoscono te o la tua attività nella seconda vita".

E ha anche scritto che non dovevo inviare alcun documento personale: "A proposito, c'è qualche problema particolare nel fornire alcuni documenti, se
Potrei chiedere? [] In ogni caso, sentiti libero di non farlo, se lo desideri. "

Ma ha aggiunto una frase molto sospetta: "Basta essere consapevoli che il nostro
il team di supporto proverà altri metodi per verificare che la richiesta a
ritiro proviene dal legittimo proprietario dell'account, ma così sarà
richiedono molto più tempo finché non ci sentiamo quasi al 100% sicuri ".

Non avevano altro modo per verificare da soli che io sono il legittimo proprietario accanto a molti che ho dato loro.

Molto meno un modo che "richiede molto più tempo".

Hanno bloccato i miei prelievi per almeno 6 mesi e richiedono più tempo?

Non hanno motivo di sospettare che io non sia il legittimo proprietario e ho dato quindi ancora più prove di ciò.


Perché non sono disposto a inviare loro i miei documenti:

I) Apprezzo molto la mia privacy.

II) I loro TOS e FAQ mi danno il diritto di non inviare i miei documenti e di rimanere come cliente non verificato. Hanno dato quattro spiegazioni contraddittorie sul perché stavano chiedendo i miei documenti. Tutti contro i propri TOS / FAQ o falsi.

III) È molto rischioso dare una copia dei nostri documenti a chiunque, specialmente usando Internet. Uno dei suoi dipendenti può fare una copia, venderla o usarla su qualche attività criminale o potrebbe essere violato e poi finirò nei guai.

IV) Hanno bloccato i miei prelievi per mesi senza neanche informarmi e ho violato chiaramente i loro TOS e le mie FAQ, di certo non mi fido dei miei documenti.

V) Dal momento che hanno bloccato i miei prelievi segretamente e hanno violato i loro TOS e FAQ e non rispettato l'assicurazione personale che mi hanno dato che non avrebbero chiesto i miei documenti, stanno agendo in modo molto sospetto: c'è un grosso rischio che abbiano vinto " t liberare i miei fondi dopo averli inviati i miei documenti. Possono inventare un altro pretesto per mantenere i miei soldi. Qualcuno che non rispetta la sua parola una volta, lo farà di nuovo senza problemi.

VI) Poiché mi stanno ricattando per aver inviato i miei documenti e trattenuto illegalmente i miei soldi, darò ampia pubblicità al modo in cui hanno agito e recitano. Ciò rovinerà la loro reputazione per sempre. Se avessi spedito i miei documenti e non avessero rilasciato i miei soldi, qualsiasi pubblicità ai loro atti potrebbe farli usare i miei documenti in modi illegali come rappresaglia.


Conclusione:

Dal momento che ho prove indiscutibili che sono il proprietario del mio account Rock e dei soldi, questo finirà con la polizia e le corti, quindi vado a misurare le mie parole e ti permetto di prendere le tue conclusioni.

I) Ho un alto equilibrio.
II) Hanno bloccato i miei prelievi per mesi senza informarmi.
III) Hanno presentato diverse giustificazioni contraddittorie per richiedere i miei documenti personali, tutti contro i loro TOS, FAQ e assicurazioni personali.
IV) Hanno riconosciuto che non c'è un vero problema sulla mia proprietà del mio account, ho presentato diverse prove e mi sto offrendo di presentare ancora di più. Ma non hanno mostrato alcun interesse su alcuna prova, insistono semplicemente sui miei documenti perché ora non li invierò.
V) L'invio dei miei documenti non sarà una prova ulteriore della mia proprietà e questa potrebbe essere una tattica ritardata per mantenere i miei prelievi bloccati: prima tattica che sarà seguita da altri come: documenti contenenti video, documenti autenticati, ecc. Semplici pretesti per mantenere i miei soldi.
VI) Anche dopo che il CTO ha rinunciato a richiedere i miei documenti, non si è scusato per aver congelato i miei prelievi per mesi senza alcun preavviso o ha detto che li avrebbe sbloccati, ha scritto che qualsiasi ritiro avrebbe richiesto "molto più tempo", senza nemmeno dicendo quanto tempo o perché.
VII) Dopo aver scritto che se non mi hanno permesso di fare un prelievo di 2 bitcoin di cui ho bisogno (meno di 1/3 dei miei soldi) sarei costretto a postare questo su bitcointalk, il CFO Eliale ha iniziato a chiedere i miei documenti di nuovo contro la parola scritta del suo co-fondatore CTO Paci.

             Decidi le tue conclusioni.

Per lo meno rivendicano il diritto di bloccare i prelievi di qualsiasi cliente per mesi senza nemmeno informarli e, quando i clienti finalmente si lamentano, ricattarli per dare tutti i documenti personali e persino le immagini delle scimmie contro i loro TOS / FAQ e assicurazioni personali , non importa quante prove il cliente abbia dichiarato di essere il legittimo proprietario del suo denaro, e manterrà bloccato il suo denaro senza presentare alcuna data per rilasciarlo. E, per coincidenza, lo hanno fatto ad un cliente con un alto equilibrio.

            Dal momento che la mia proprietà non può essere negata, devono permettermi di ritirare i miei soldi o non ci saranno dubbi che siano truffatori.

Quindi, i clienti di Rock sono consapevoli: oggi stanno mantenendo i miei soldi, domani chissà ...

SCAM ALERT: Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it.
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August 27, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
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That is serious money. If the banking account used on the euros withdrawals is yours that looks like hard evidence. Rock Trading has some answers to give. You should post this on the scam thread. Here it wont have much attention.

SCAMMER: andrea-medri.simplesite.com

The Rock Trading SCAM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0
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August 28, 2018, 01:34:07 AM
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I have little doubt that this will need to go to the scam board and to many other sites.

But I'm still on contention mode. My goal is not yet to hurt their reputation, but just to make them think about the consequences for themselves of their abusive acts against an old customer.

SCAM ALERT: Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it.
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Time to move this to the scam boarder:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0

SCAM ALERT: Rock Trading Exchange (www.therocktrading.com): Deceives bitcoiners to create unverified accounts, blocks the withdrawals covertly in order to let the user keep depositing money and uses every pretext to keep it.
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August 31, 2018, 01:18:21 AM
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Sorry, while I can understand your point of view, in order to protect your interests and everybody else safety, we do need to verify your real identity before releasing your funds which are available.

Refusing to do so, it only raise our concerns about the real ownership of the account. 

So, please, comply with the requests in order to solve the issue.

As an alternative, if you do not want to provide requested information to us, you may contact the Italian police and file a request.  They will request us to proceed and we will be ok because we do have the guarantee they checked your Identity which, obviously will be forwarded to us....  It only takes longer but it is your choice.

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September 20, 2018, 11:23:41 AM
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Sorry, while I can understand your point of view, in order to protect your interests and everybody else safety, we do need to verify your real identity before releasing your funds which are available.

Refusing to do so, it only raise our concerns about the real ownership of the account.  

So, please, comply with the requests in order to solve the issue.

As an alternative, if you do not want to provide requested information to us, you may contact the Italian police and file a request.  They will request us to proceed and we will be ok because we do have the guarantee they checked your Identity which, obviously will be forwarded to us....  It only takes longer but it is your choice.

Thank you

Andrea Medri
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With this post they accepted all the facts I describe on my post.

Follow this case here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0

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October 18, 2018, 03:47:00 PM
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More complete description and updates: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.0

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November 07, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
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Fellow bitcoiners:


Quick summary:



I) I have on the Rock Trading exchange 35519 euros and they blocked all my means of withdrawal, including all crypto, 9 months ago.

II) They refused several times to explain why, including on this thread.

III) They didn't tell me about the withdrawal block and let me keep entrapping money with deposits and trading/paying fees for months unaware of the block.

IV) When I complained, they demanded my documents even if their FAQ says "verification isn't mandatory" and the Rock CFO had confirmed me by email that verification was voluntary.

V) Since I argued this, they eventually said I didn't have to send my documents, but they said that my money would be kept blocked "much more time".

VI) When I said I would take this public, they started demanding a copy of my documents again.

VII) Mandatory verification has no basis on their TOS, so they invented an applicable european directive. But they know very well directives only apply to States in order for them to create legislation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_(European_Union).

VIII) Italy adopted their Legislative Decree No. 90 of 25 May 2017 on AML and KYC duties, but his article 3, n.º 5, says that crypto exchanges are restrictively ("limitatamente") subject to this duties only on their operations of conversion from crypto to fiat. That is, to customers who ask for fiat withdrawals. I left clear that I wouldn't ask for any fiat withdrawal.

IX) They just confirmed they are going to keep my money for good, even if I have overwhelming evidence that it's mine (check below).

X) Taken in account my overwhelming evidence, the fact that they keep raising doubts about my ownership is another confirmation that this is all pretexts and lies in order for them to keep my money. No honest person would deny my ownership.

XI) What they are doing is completely contrary to italian law (quoted above) and their own TOS/FAQ (see detailed analysis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg46225609#msg46225609
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4975753.msg45001851#msg45001851


I was a Rock user for some years and never had any problem. I even gave you a vouch on this thread (that I just changed).

It's because of this that I'm astonished with this situation.

Unexplained and unnotified withdrawal blocks?

Imposing verification against your FAQ under threat of keeping the user money blocked?

Are you crazy? Do you realize how damaging this is for you?

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November 13, 2018, 03:00:46 AM
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Thank you for your post Trading.

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November 16, 2018, 02:34:57 AM
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What annoys me is that I could be on your situation.

Well, they didn't even try to justify themselves. I'm giving them both negative feedback.

A honest exchange like Kraken, when they want to force a user to verify based on clear terms of their TOS, they block trading and deposits, but not withdrawals. If the user don't want to verify, he can take his money and Kraken will close his account.

But I guess that if they were once honest, in the meanwhile they forgot about what is being a honest exchange.

This looks like a scam with the customary ploys.

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November 16, 2018, 02:53:33 AM
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What annoys me is that I could be on your situation.

Well, they didn't even try to justify themselves. I'm giving them both negative feedback.

A honest exchange like Kraken, when they want to force a user to verify based on clear terms of their TOS, they block trading and deposits, but not withdrawals. If the user don't want to verify, he can take his money and Kraken will close his account.

But I guess that if they were once honest, in the meanwhile they forgot about what is being a honest exchange.

This looks like a scam with the customary ploys.

I added them to my Scam Alert signature. They are selective scamming.

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November 16, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
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Thanks for your continuous support, JollyGood.

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November 16, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
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Thanks for your continuous support, JollyGood.

No problem Smiley

It is the duty of all in the community to ensure we make each other aware of all scams and scammers out there.

I hope Rock Trading customers flee in large numbers as a result of their scam being exposed here thanks to you posting your issues in the forum.

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