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[Water_kel]

You trying to say that you received messages from me asking you for money or do I misunderstand you here? Be clear about this.

You said we want to change the record. We didn't. A big room of arguments exists for yesterday's record. We respect our subscribers so we change it to what he likes

How do you mean you respect your subscribers and changed it like they like it? The tips they received yesterday were 5 losses and 2 winnings. No more and no less. There is nothing to change about that in their favor or how they like it.

The only thing they like are real winnings from real tips. They don't like to pay and discover after their payment that you and all those picks sites of you misleading them.

You open a new account to pay so much attention to my post. Thanks a lot!
If you want all the real records from real tips including the postponed one, it is a 3 WIN 5 LOSE.

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[Paxxo]

If you want all the real records from real tips including the postponed one, it is a 3 WIN 5 LOSE.

PSV and Manchester United were the winnings yesterday. Tell me the 3rd one. I guess all the subscribers will happy to agree when you are right.

You still saying that Lille is the 3rd genuine winning tip? When are you done with this nonsenses?

[Water_kel]

If you want all the real records from real tips including the postponed one, it is a 3 WIN 5 LOSE.

PSV and Manchester United were the winnings yesterday. Tell me the 3rd one. I guess all the subscribers will happy to agree when you are right.

You still saying that Lille is the 3rd genuine winning tip? When are you done with this nonsenses?

YES Lille is the 3rd winning tip.
Whether you believe it or not, it is the second tip sent by Fixed Archive Matches in one day.
But it is a truth that we did not deliver this tip to our subscribers.
So we change it to a 2-4 record.

[kilter71]

This is the exact scam I warned of. The poster will claim outrageous win rates. Then once you subscribe you see they made everything up and they start losing and making excuses about why you're losing.

[Vani]

Water seems busy so I update the score for him. On 15 December I received only one tip in total. It came from jackpottips.
Deportivo v Elche - Deportivo -0.25 Won

I was informed that bettersoccertips had a free day and there was something with the subscription of delicatetips that had to be renewed or something

The score for 15 December is 1-0

[Paxxo]

On 15 December I received only one tip in total. It came from jackpottips.
Deportivo v Elche - Deportivo -0.25 Won

I was informed that bettersoccertips had a free day and there was something with the subscription of delicatetips that had to be renewed or something

The score for 15 December is 1-0

And you believe that or are you naive? Take a look at the results on delicatetips on the day you did not receive tips from them.

https://i.imgur.com/2JuJgL0.jpg

After the losing days they showing 2 wins exactly on the day no one received their tips. That is how the sites of Water_kel doing it all the time on losing periods. Changing losing tips in winning tips, not sending tips but showing them as wins on their sites. Not showing losing tips and sending second mystery tips on Sunday, something the fixedmatches site normally never do, that no one except Water_kel has ever received.

Betterscocer tips did not update their stats for the last 4 days. They had to many losing days so that doesn't look good on their "80% win rate page". At the time they will update it, 15 December can show any results they want.

There will be winning days. Not even the worse predictor can lose every day and on the wining days everything will be fine. The stats will be real on those days and Water_kel will show up with the same arguments how good his picking sites are.

[Carbomat]

tl;dr: Bitbettips and their websites are pure scam. Don’t waste your money on them.

They scammed me for 40 euro but I was lucky to place the only winning bet of the Saturday for 100 euro before I found out they faking the history results...

[SoccerKings]

@Water_kel

You could prove that they are not a scam by posting a hashed version of the Tips before the matches start and the plain text after.
The good thing about this is that no one would be able to get them for free, but they will be able to tell that the tips and hit % is real and has not been altered to hide losing tips.

It might seem like a lot of work but it really isn't, hashing the tips would only take a minute, google "sha-256 hash calculator" or go to http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator  enter tip in plain text click "calculate" and you get a sha-256 version of the tip.
For example:
Text: Real Madrid -2.5
Hash: 54fb9c0176adf0f7070dc2d6a9bc4f61a7bf1d8140acab9bb40a60d60426cd77

Do these for 30 to 50 tips and everyone would be able to judge the real hit rate, before risking their bankrolls on inaccurate tips or money on potential scams.

[Water_kel]

@Water_kel

You could prove that they are not a scam by posting a hashed version of the Tips before the matches start and the plain text after.
The good thing about this is that no one would be able to get them for free, but they will be able to tell that the tips and hit % is real and has not been altered to hide losing tips.

It might seem like a lot of work but it really isn't, hashing the tips would only take a minute, google "sha-256 hash calculator" or go to http://www.xorbin.com/tools/sha256-hash-calculator  enter tip in plain text click "calculate" and you get a sha-256 version of the tip.
For example:
Text: Real Madrid -2.5
Hash: 54fb9c0176adf0f7070dc2d6a9bc4f61a7bf1d8140acab9bb40a60d60426cd77

Do these for 30 to 50 tips and everyone would be able to judge the real hit rate, before risking their bankrolls on inaccurate tips or money on potential scams.

I have read it for a view times and finally I know what you mean.
We don't need to do this because we have our subscribers.

[Water_kel]

For the haters and attackers who wanted to extort us:

Now there is a big bounty for you and you do not need to extort us with 0.36 BTC?

Bounty: 10 BTC
If you find evidence that we owned any of the sources/tipsters, post it here.
Go. 

[Vani]

And you believe that or are you naive? Take a look at the results on delicatetips on the day you did not receive tips from them.



After the losing days they showing 2 wins exactly on the day no one received their tips. That is how the sites of Water_kel doing it all the time on losing periods. Changing losing tips in winning tips, not sending tips but showing them as wins on their sites. Not showing losing tips and sending second mystery tips on Sunday, something the fixedmatches site normally never do, that no one except Water_kel has ever received.

Betterscocer tips did not update their stats for the last 4 days. They had to many losing days so that doesn't look good on their "80% win rate page". At the time they will update it, 15 December can show any results they want.

There will be winning days. Not even the worse predictor can lose every day and on the wining days everything will be fine. The stats will be real on those days and Water_kel will show up with the same arguments how good his picking sites are.

Sure, I have my own thoughts about all of this but on this stage I refuse to start discussions on this thread. I hate discussions - it makes me tired and sad. I spoke with Water about my thoughts. Make your own judgment with your evidence if you like.
To prevent some of the discussions: from now on I place all the final results of the tips that I have received. Like a middleman between Water, the websites and the forum. I will do that as long as my subscription lasts.

[Vani]

December 16

bettersoccertips

White tip: Hannover 96 v Augsburg. Tip Augsburg 0 (Lost)
Ice tip: Entella v Modena. Tip under 2.25  (Half Win)

delicatetips
Nantes v Metz. Tip Nantes -0.75 (Lost) (extra time does not count - the bet is finished after regular time)
Greuther Furth v Bochum. Tip Greuther Furth -0.5 (Lost)

jackpotsoccertips
Hamburger SV v  Stuttgart. Tip Hamburger -0.5 (Lost)

Won and Lost
0.5 win and 4 lost

[Zebrasko]

The first week of this service has finished. A week of lies, faking results on several websites using by this service and a huge loss of 10.60 units. Honest discussions are a waste of time with this kind of personalities. I stick to the results no matter if they win or lose and I'll update all of them a few times a week.

Odds average 1.90. Source the TS.

Day 1. Won 0.25 units. Winning tips 2½. Losing tips 2  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Schalke04. It was a ½ win. The information on the website http://www.bettersoccertips.com and the spreadsheet of Water_kel is not correct. They both telling you that it was a full win.

Day 2. Lost 1.2 units. Wining tips 2 - Losings tips 3

Day 3. Lost 3.5 units. Winning tips 0 - Losing tips 3½. 1 void.  
Note. The Asian handicap pick of this day was Jong Ajax. It was a 0.5 loss of the whole stake.

Day 4. Lost 0.3 units. Winning tips 3 - Losing tips 3

Day 5. Lost 3.2 units. Winning tips 2 - Losings tips 5
Note. TS refused to include one losing tip on his spreadsheet. He gave that tip December 14 on the forum. The spreadsheet showing 2-4 but it is 2-5. One losing tip was washed away on the website and replaced by a winning tip that was never delivered to the followers.

Day 6. Won 0.9 units. Winning tips 1 - Losings tips 0
Note. Only one tip was delivered. The winning stats on December 15 from the websites delicatetips and bettersoccertips weren’t delivered to the followers and therefore they cannot taking serious.

Day 7. Lost 3.55 units. Winning tips ½  - Losing tips 4
Note. Again the website bettersoccertips shows the ½ win as a full win on their ice records of December.


Total
Winning tips 11
Losing tips 20½
Void 1
Win percentage of the tips 33.8%


Wining days 2
Best day 0.90 units on day 6
Losing days 5
Worst day 3.55 units on day 7
 
Longest strike
4 losing days on a row. Day 2 until day 5

Total lost 7 days after the start of subscription 10.60 units


Using the example of the spreadsheet on the first posting. Now with the fair confirmed and traceable results from the start of the subscription on 10 December.

Assume bet amount for each tip 0.1 BTC
Average odds 1.9
BTC you lost: 1.060 BTC
30 days membership: 0.8 BTC
NET LOST: 1.860 BTC http://picthost.net/image.php?di=T3FF

Time duration 7 days