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June 25, 2012, 04:36:47 AM
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I took a look at Tor Mail today and have some serious questions about what's going on with them.

Hosting IMAP and SMTP servers isn't free and they neither have ads nor do they charge for the service. Where is the money coming from?
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June 25, 2012, 04:49:58 AM
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They could own their own datacenter and just have some bandwidth and servers sitting around.
You'd be surprised what a DC can do with just a few servers and a tiny bit of bandwidth.

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August 03, 2012, 02:12:21 AM
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I took a look at Tor Mail today and have some serious questions about what's going on with them.

Hosting IMAP and SMTP servers isn't free and they neither have ads nor do they charge for the service. Where is the money coming from?
Can anyone estimate how much does it cost per year to provide the service? They don't even ask for donations.

They could be wealthy and generous.

They could pay the hosting by selling some data they can collect. Who communicates with whom and some mails without encryption.

They could be run by evil people.
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August 12, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
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I took a look at Tor Mail today and have some serious questions about what's going on with them.

Hosting IMAP and SMTP servers isn't free and they neither have ads nor do they charge for the service. Where is the money coming from?
Can anyone estimate how much does it cost per year to provide the service? They don't even ask for donations.

They could be wealthy and generous.

They could pay the hosting by selling some data they can collect. Who communicates with whom and some mails without encryption.

They could be run by evil people.

From what I have heard, they are indeed run by evil people!! @ioerror retweeted about this a few months ago:

https://twitter.com/ioerror/statuses/224500240592551936
https://twitter.com/payloadDLL/status/224551392881295361

If you search for "tormail honeypot" you get this:

http://pastebin.com/sHAVmQya

I can't make a knowledgeable decision about this, but I will stay way off tormail in the future.
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August 12, 2012, 08:13:03 PM
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I took a look at Tor Mail today and have some serious questions about what's going on with them.

Hosting IMAP and SMTP servers isn't free and they neither have ads nor do they charge for the service. Where is the money coming from?
Can anyone estimate how much does it cost per year to provide the service? They don't even ask for donations.

They could be wealthy and generous.

They could pay the hosting by selling some data they can collect. Who communicates with whom and some mails without encryption.

They could be run by evil people.

From what I have heard, they are indeed run by evil people!! @ioerror retweeted about this a few months ago:

https://twitter.com/ioerror/statuses/224500240592551936
https://twitter.com/payloadDLL/status/224551392881295361

If you search for "tormail honeypot" you get this:

http://pastebin.com/sHAVmQya

I can't make a knowledgeable decision about this, but I will stay way off tormail in the future.


yea, except the real tormail is *.tormail.ORG not .NET  ...  right?  Make no mistake that there isn't a shortage of honeypot exit nodes however.

If you're not excited by the idea of being an early adopter 'now', then you should come back in three or four years and either tell us "Told you it'd never work!" or join what should, by then, be a much more stable and easier-to-use system. - GA
It is being worked on by smart people. -DamienBlack
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August 12, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
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TL;DR no obvious associations with honey pots.

Reg Info: hidden of course;
http://whois.domaintools.com/tormail.org

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Tormail.org server hosts: site hosts and SPF hosts;
http://whois.domaintools.com/66.96.147.101
http://www.enduranceinternational.com/endurance/index.bml

SPF servers; TL;DR limits ability of people forging emails as coming from tormail that are not orginated there.
http://www.evatools.com/whois?q=198.136.50.18
http://www.evatools.com/whois?q=66.7.211.28
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Hosting Servers for Tormail.org;
http://whois.domaintools.com/eigbox.net
http://www.who.is/nameserver/ns1.bizland.com/

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DNS Servers; @ Leaseweb;
NS1 =108.59.1.205 ; Anon Proxy; http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/108.59.1.205 ; Resolves to NS2.cloudns.net
NS2 =95.211.130.26 ; ClouDNS.net: Free DNS hosting, Location = Netherlands; Resolves to NS2.cloudns.net

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Tormail Email servers;

Hosting ISP, RAM Host; This is where the actual incoming.tormail.org service should be running.
http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/199.180.253.220

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http://www.who.is/dns/tormail.org/

If you're not excited by the idea of being an early adopter 'now', then you should come back in three or four years and either tell us "Told you it'd never work!" or join what should, by then, be a much more stable and easier-to-use system. - GA
It is being worked on by smart people. -DamienBlack
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August 13, 2012, 10:45:13 AM
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OK, you may be right, but I'm not skilled enough to make safe decisions here.
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August 16, 2012, 12:48:15 AM
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not every company is out to suck money from every angle possible. But with that said, they could very well have other structures in place to finance it.

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August 16, 2012, 07:20:57 PM
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not every company is out to suck money from every angle possible. But with that said, they could very well have other structures in place to finance it.

Or do it as a hobby project. I have one that costs me perhaps 300 USD a year in hosting cost, just for the fun of it.
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