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December 24, 2014, 09:44:18 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.

As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, there are anti counterfeiting acts to prevent people from counterfeiting Currency 1 oz Silver/gold Eagles for example are coins created by the US mint with a face value in USD on them possession of counterfeit currency is a crime, however Pamp bars are not created by any government mint, and have no legal tender face value on them, therefore they do not fall under currency counterfeiting laws. Morgan Silver Dollars are legal tender in the US, fake Morgans are the same as fake $1 Bills. When I ordered more metal testing chemicals off of Amazon, it came with fake bullion to help newbies to metal testing learn to spot the difference in chemical colors when dealing with real vs fake bullion. As long as you aren't trying to pass fake bullion off as real. Legitimate companies offer them for a variety of reason.

If you know the case of Norfed, the owner got busted for counterfeiting because he put $ values on the rounds he made, however private mints that make bullion aren't shut down because they don't put any face value on their bullion. The difference between a coin and a round, is a coin is legal tender, bullion comes in rounds/bars/ingots
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December 24, 2014, 10:48:06 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.

As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, there are anti counterfeiting acts to prevent people from counterfeiting Currency 1 oz Silver/gold Eagles for example are coins created by the US mint with a face value in USD on them possession of counterfeit currency is a crime, however Pamp bars are not created by any government mint, and have no legal tender face value on them, therefore they do not fall under currency counterfeiting laws. Morgan Silver Dollars are legal tender in the US, fake Morgans are the same as fake $1 Bills. When I ordered more metal testing chemicals off of Amazon, it came with fake bullion to help newbies to metal testing learn to spot the difference in chemical colors when dealing with real vs fake bullion. As long as you aren't trying to pass fake bullion off as real. Legitimate companies offer them for a variety of reason.

If you know the case of Norfed, the owner got busted for counterfeiting because he put $ values on the rounds he made, however private mints that make bullion aren't shut down because they don't put any face value on their bullion. The difference between a coin and a round, is a coin is legal tender, bullion comes in rounds/bars/ingots
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And the huge fact that the only fake Morgans I have seen on here were offered as real. I have a collection of fake coins myself-I find them almost as fun to collect as authentic coins...the range in quality in terms of stamp, die, cast, material, etc. is fascinating. Although, there are very few people I would trust to sell fake coins to. These bars are a different story-I think about everybody on my Christmas list got one.  
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December 24, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.

As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, ...

I have been following this thread. The reason I asked this question is I thought hearing from johnniewalker himself would give this thread some closer on the topic.
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December 25, 2014, 06:54:35 AM
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People openly sell these bars on eBay for around £10, though it might be a legal grey area in reality. I suppose it could be trademark infringement or something with the branded bars.

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