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February 27, 2015, 06:57:46 AM
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well people the asic is here to stay because its a integrated circuit and can develop no need for new names and it can get like 1THs for very low price and give those 1.000.000 satoshis per day in each HASH just the watts im a bit conserned.

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February 28, 2015, 10:05:26 PM
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had OP actually google the name ASIC to understand what it stands for, he wouldnt make this stupid thread.

Hint: its not a name of a technology .

But its obvious what it is , if you are aware of the mining technologies.

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March 03, 2015, 03:18:33 AM
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more effective asic。
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March 04, 2015, 02:06:16 AM
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quantum technology or perhaps multi-core ASIC if the term applies. Now that computing power can be converted directly to money. I mean: plug energy --> Process --> get money, formal and amateur research on computing raised a lot. No way to stop it in the short term unfortunately.

Regarding the "hold" argument, I'll call it: get ready for a big storm, big positive changes are coming in the global market and bitcoin will be a player.

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I think the future will be along the lines of much better asic technology and octicore asics or getting to the dual stages then quad and going even faster as the technology comes out to produce. No doubt in the future and not far away is mineral cores for computers so no doubt when asic technology is developed more then faster asic equipment will come along. But then comes power consumption and given that some 1TH rigs are using 400 to 500watt per device has come along away considering it use to be like 90GH using 600 to 700watt and now a fraction of that can be used in some of the newer systems using 5w for 100GH in newer technology.

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March 04, 2015, 05:41:32 AM
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Asics are the last device we can see... its name tells you everything, An application-specific integrated circuit. It means it doesnt describes an specific technologic.

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March 04, 2015, 06:09:35 AM
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Asics are the last device we can see... its name tells you everything, An application-specific integrated circuit. It means it doesnt describes an specific technologic.




He's right but that does not mean years from now that something new Won't come but right now there is nothing new but to improve what we have. I'm sure some place in the world something is being thought up but that's it . just a thought with some plans written down some place that make no sense .
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March 04, 2015, 06:16:44 AM
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I think the future will be along the lines of much better asic technology and octicore asics or getting to the dual stages then quad and going even faster as the technology comes out to produce. No doubt in the future and not far away is mineral cores for computers so no doubt when asic technology is developed more then faster asic equipment will come along. But then comes power consumption and given that some 1TH rigs are using 400 to 500watt per device has come along away considering it use to be like 90GH using 600 to 700watt and now a fraction of that can be used in some of the newer systems using 5w for 100GH in newer technology.



I would love to see a 5 th miner that does 80 watts at the wall with temps at say 26C  maybe 60c tops OC . that would be very impressive then become history then we would see more and more of it  even lower watts with more speed which were starting to see now but not like that, yet .
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March 04, 2015, 04:12:56 PM
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I think the future will be along the lines of much better asic technology and octicore asics or getting to the dual stages then quad and going even faster as the technology comes out to produce. No doubt in the future and not far away is mineral cores for computers so no doubt when asic technology is developed more then faster asic equipment will come along. But then comes power consumption and given that some 1TH rigs are using 400 to 500watt per device has come along away considering it use to be like 90GH using 600 to 700watt and now a fraction of that can be used in some of the newer systems using 5w for 100GH in newer technology.



I would love to see a 5 th miner that does 80 watts at the wall with temps at say 26C  maybe 60c tops OC . that would be very impressive then become history then we would see more and more of it  even lower watts with more speed which were starting to see now but not like that, yet .

TO be honest it is not far off it right now. CXonsidering we got the ant s5's hitting out what 1.1TH of power for maybe 500 to 600w give it a few more years and theri will be faster tech then current out no doubt about it along with smaller chips and a way to cool them a lot quicker and they run a lot less hotter than currently. No doubt in next year or so when AMD get their new chips out am sure that the tech will come once again to shrink the chips down even more and go faster and use less energy to use.

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ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio.

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I don't really know if we have means to produce more advances chips than ASICS are now. They only thing that will probably change is manufacturing process and new technology (smaller 14 nm chips).
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ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio.

They do not need to make better chips.

  First asic was  6-9 watts a gh.

Best shown was Asic Miner at .3-.4 watts

Best for sale is .48 watts at the wall.   so  first asic to best is 15 to 20x  better.


but GPUS were 1000 watts to 1 gh   so the first asic was 150x better then a gpu.

What is needed now is better power prices.  If I am in Tennessee at 8 cents a kwatt a simple move to Washington state  and I drop to 3 or 4 cents a kwatt..

So the next asic chip will drop us to .2-.3 watts at the wall from .48 watts at the wall.  What is easier for a big guy make a better chip or setup in Washington state?

We are not going to see 150x improvements in watts to gh anymore.

  We may see a movement to replace this




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I don't really know if we have means to produce more advances chips than ASICS are now. They only thing that will probably change is manufacturing process and new technology (smaller 14 nm chips).
Technological advancements, should make miners more powerful than Asics. I am sure that kind hardware already exists, its just a matter of time they get into mining bitcoins

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ASIC is a clas off dedicated chips. After ASICS you get more ASICS using smaller transistors. The tech to build them already exists, its only a matter of economics now.
Yes this could be possible, just it's a question of bitcoin price and electricity price. As now I don't fit in with current btc/electricity ratio.

They do not need to make better chips.

  First asic was  6-9 watts a gh.

Best shown was Asic Miner at .3-.4 watts

Best for sale is .48 watts at the wall.   so  first asic to best is 15 to 20x  better.


but GPUS were 1000 watts to 1 gh   so the first asic was 150x better then a gpu.

What is needed now is better power prices.  If I am in Tennessee at 8 cents a kwatt a simple move to Washington state  and I drop to 3 or 4 cents a kwatt..

So the next asic chip will drop us to .2-.3 watts at the wall from .48 watts at the wall.  What is easier for a big guy make a better chip or setup in Washington state?

We are not going to see 150x improvements in watts to gh anymore.

  We may see a movement to replace this




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Well old oil electric heaters indeed maybe the future of miners. If you not got central heating system buy 3x asic machines drop into each room sort of pay for their self when on untill mining gets so hard and becomes as waste like normal energy heating does puts a dint into your wallet.

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After ASICs come computers that are made from something other than matter and occupy something other than space Wink

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If only the feverish grab for money and innovation was filtered into solar. Feed back into the network and bingo, money back or at least self reliance.

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March 09, 2015, 12:16:31 PM
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It is a shame the the difficulty is so high right now and the BTC rate so low. In order to ROI you have to invest so much at them moment, and then there are all these issues with hardware manufacturers that deliver way too later, or go bankrupt and don't deliver at all.

I loved mining, just hearing the noise, seeing the hash rates, lights blinking, loved it. Also the fact that you could invest a "normal" amount to make some  BTC.

Even whatever comes after ASIC will be a big players game.
Yeah, I wonder how strong would the next miner be. Would definitely be a game changer.

It would have to be unbearably powerful and extremely cheap..

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March 09, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
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The future of ASIC mining is in efficiency.  We don't need to get faster, we need to get smarter.  I think we're at a speed plateau, there's not really a reason to get much faster, but there is reason to become more efficient.

I wish every electronic device in my house had some ASICs in them for hashing, would save me serious heating bills in the winter.
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March 09, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
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What will happen is process shrinks. So from say 22nm to 16nm which will result in a larger possible density of the chip, but that costs more so the product gets more expensive so less people buy the product and so on...
We need more efficient designs of current chips so we get more for less.
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