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July 08, 2012, 04:18:29 AM
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Cbeast, I apologize - allow me to express my sorrow by sending you 1 bitcoin.
Though your generosity is touching, such a heartfelt expression is apology enough. Bitcoin accepted at the donation address on my weblink are intended for charitable purpose, of course.
I am overjoyed you accept my apology. One thing remains in my mind however; I thought I was on your ignore list.
See how easy it is to misconstrue statements? Though I was clear that I scan posts to determine the credibility of a poster, I did not find enough reasons there to place you on ignore. I figured a shot across the bow would suffice.

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July 08, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
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So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?

Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...

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July 08, 2012, 02:19:00 PM
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So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?

Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...

ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.
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July 08, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
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So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?

Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...

ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.

Not true.  Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours.  When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine.  It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy.  But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.

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July 08, 2012, 02:29:22 PM
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So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?

Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...

ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.

Not true.  Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours.  When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine.  It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy.  But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.

This is true as well, but Google Siad Barre - he fucked up the country real good with his brand of "scientific Socialism"
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July 08, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
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So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?

Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...

ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.

Not true.  Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours.  When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine.  It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy.  But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.

This is true as well, but Google Siad Barre - he fucked up the country real good with his brand of "scientific Socialism"

Could it be we agree on something? 

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July 08, 2012, 03:30:27 PM
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"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.

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July 08, 2012, 03:48:09 PM
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"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.

Fair point.  It worked fine compared to what they had before.

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July 08, 2012, 04:44:57 PM
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"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.

You're making the assumption that society can't be "cohesive" without a government extorting people. Seems to me that Afghanistan has fought off invasions for centuries against outsiders without having a central government.
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July 08, 2012, 05:22:55 PM
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"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.

You're making the assumption that society can't be "cohesive" without a government extorting people. Seems to me that Afghanistan has fought off invasions for centuries against outsiders without having a central government.
He said no such thing.

Just that IF society (anarchist or otherwise) cannot handle outside influence, then its BS.

Governments can be very different, not all are violent oppressors and on small scale most types of ideology actually perform better. Perhaps the solution is many small "countries" of 1000 people and a military alliance - whatever the solution, its likely not Russia/Somalia.

If you have a real solution besides anarchy, please do tell.

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July 09, 2012, 12:41:22 AM
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The video was just funny. An old woman making jokes no matter how bad is funny.

Anyway I just read a post about blah blah blah libertarians are stupid they want organized crime.

Um no they actually dont. They actually are for the opposite. They arent anarchists because they approve of a government to protect ALL citizens from any coercion or force inside or outside of the country (this includes protecting the individuals from the government as well).

No organized crime and no "government"
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