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December 24, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
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seriously, their specs could be absolutely true:
at no point they said the 6TH are for SHA512  Roll Eyes
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December 24, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
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I would hope people are not rushing to place orders here...

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December 24, 2014, 03:40:50 PM
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Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:

Scam

I prefer shorter messages. Nothing to say here. Useless one-liner. Absolute no arguments. Why scam? Because scam.

Just please tell me anyone. Why do you think that we are scam? What else should we do to incerase our value in your eyes? Sending test unit is an option of course. This is not so expensive device.

Hello, Michael (that's where I quit reading). Go fuck yourself!

Now, to read the rest of the thread to see if my assessment is correct.

EDIT: Confirmed!

ECHO: Go fuck yourself!

Completely rude and arrogant. I will not speak with anyone speaking such vulgar and agressive language. This is not my conversation level.

P.S. Interesting proposition. I will consider it.

lol
why do you guys bother ?
it's clearly a scam

And this is clearly another comment without any arguments.

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Can I avoid pay VAT?

If you are in a group of customers who must pay VAT, you can pay Bitcoin to avoid it.

scam

I appreciate this comment, because it has some argument. At least you have read our website, but let me explain somethng.

In Poland Bitcoin is not regulated by any law. I is not a crime to avoid paying taxes using Bitcoin because there are no regulations for this (consulted with lawyer). So it is not a crime to do it and also to suggest this. Furthermore this option my be useful only for a few customers. It aplies only for customers from Poland because foreign customers are getting invoice with 0% VAT.

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

We are working at the project and the website as well for about 6 months. There may be some not actual data (but only in details!)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

It's actually cash but not on delivery. You can pay in cash directly in our office for pre-order.

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

We've tested couple configurations. This one seems to work fine.

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

It depends on: where you buy, how much you buy, what you buy and couple other things. You can get very affordable price on almost every electronic equipment.

Please dont judge by the price you paying in your local eletronic store.

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

Please wait couple days... this is in progress. It's Christmas. Give us couple days.

Pre-Order...

Stop right there we know how this ends. 

Badly for anyone who orders. 

Come back when your ready to ship. 

People here are sick to death of funding companies R&D and getting nothing in return or the equipment only afters its obsolete and they have been mined to death before shipping.

ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  Cool
Yeah the price screams scam too. 

So they may not even go through with the create a chip with customers money then mine until the equipment is useless then ship it scam.  They will probably just run with the money straight away.

Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.

Things ara going cheaper and more powerful in time. Would you think a year ago that a 5.5 TH/s miner will be available in stock for $2700?  Just answer the question, and think again. Is this really impossible?

I can tell you it is possible, and even more I'm sure this will happen in February.

seriously, their specs could be absolutely true:
at no point they said the 6TH are for SHA512  Roll Eyes

Nope. They're for SHA256.

I live near (Warsaw), may I visit you and see a miner in action? Also you may consider to put one unit into Bitcoin Embassy in Warsaw (Krucza street), they will make an review and then you may gain some legitimacy...

Yes! Visiting us in person is welcome. However we do not have ready device in Poland. It may tak some time to get first phisical working test unit in Poland. After Christmas I will try to update schedule for EMIC PowerModule development, and maybe upload some diagrams and other stuff.

I would hope people are not rushing to place orders here...

And I of course hope opposite.

I hope you can appreciate pre-orders are frowned upon by this community, and you are going to come under intense scrutiny without providing proof of product existence and performance.

Yes. I understand and appreciate this. It's actually giving me personally even more energy to complete project in given deadline and within all specs.

At the same time, however, do not agree on the language and the way some of comments.

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.



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December 24, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
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my point is that I, as well as probably many others here, have been burned multiple times by pre-orders. To rush into another new pre-order without further information would be irresponsible. Unfortunately this places an undue burden on new market entries such as yourself but previous events will dictate future restrictions in most cases and this one is no different.

I agree with the test unit for prominent community members for review but without a working product or some sort of evidence of progress made then sales will be difficult.

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December 24, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
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emic.com.pl, stop bullshitting and show us chips you are using. you have none at declared price that's why are you scam artist. gfy
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December 24, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
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Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.



A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/


Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center



  I won't call you an  evil scammer.  I won't say go fuck yourself.  Just not polite to say that on Christmas eve.

I will say this: Delivered by feb 2015 means I get it on Feb 28th.  That is 6+31+28 = 65 days.

I can order an sp20 today get the christmas sale and spend 600 bucks. I would get it in around Jan 1.  I can mine for 59 days time.  Before your gear shows up.  I am buying in stock gear.  It will mine at 1300gh at 720 watts or so. It is a known good reliable machine.

   You promise 5.65 th at .24 watts  a gh   if you can build that you do not need us.  Just mine on your own.

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December 24, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
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Serious question, are you developing your own ASIC or are you using the ASIC of another company?

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December 24, 2014, 05:56:32 PM
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Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:

Scam

I prefer shorter messages.

Funny how you ignored my message. The first reply in this thread. Let me quote it so you can see it again.

EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.

I'll make it longer for you. You are not the first to release a 20nm ASIC. KnC was. Months ago. Your claim is a flat out lie. Something so simple and important as that being a lie tells me you are full of lots more lies.

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December 24, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
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ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.

Only KnC started with a traditional pre-order.  

ASICMiner took investor funds for their first chip, people bought shares in an IPO fashion that can be publicly traded.  The first AM HW sold to the public was not a pre-order.  90% of the HW ASICMiner has sold was sold as in stock.

Neither Bitmain or Spondoolies-Tech sold their first HW through pre-orders.  All of their initial sales run(s) were from in stock HW.



You also missed my question in your response.

When did you complete tape out?

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December 24, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
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584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  Cool

Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.
No-no-no-no-no, please don't get me wrong. Your miner looks really good. We just don't want to lose our money... Sure, faint heart never won fair lady. But too many people here (and not only here) lost their money with such new coming companies...

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December 24, 2014, 06:27:25 PM
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EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.
LoL, you and I thought the exact same thing.

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December 24, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
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IE, they might not be lying, they might just be wrong/ignorant. You should probably apologize for being so mean to the poor scammers.

Would you buy from someone that doesn't know that a major competitor already has a 20nm?
Would you buy product that is not going to be ready until February 2015 without any evidence?

Doesn't matter what this company claims. No chip, no miner, no sale.

Another BFL wannabe.

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Whats up with this case? Isn't reality anti-aliased?

Perhaps this wasn't taken with an actual camera? LOL.

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Here is some details about this company
https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

and there a few interested things
1. - company was registered at 1 dec 2014, 24 days is a lot time to develop chips and make prototype of miner  Roll Eyes
2. - he is self-employment , but looking for some help to answer emails and phones  Grin - LINK
3. - email michalkrawczyszyn91@onet.pl sugest that he was born at 1991 so he is 23 yers old now, he must be some f***ing genius if he alone develop own chips in 24days  Grin


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DOMAIN NAME: emic.com.pl
registrant type: organization
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renewal date: 2015.12.02 19:06:33

Domain created 22 days ago and only registered for 1 year. https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl

I like this quote on the website: 'Buy from a trusted supplier' Roll Eyes.
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Total scam 6 Th's at 1500w no way.. Not at this stage of the game. Maybe in another 8 months but at that time there will be real hardware on the market shipping from stock.. I'll wait.

This crap is what gives BTC a bad name.

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Disclaimer: this will be useless and long!

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.

So you bothered to answer to all "trolls", but you didn't replied to the tape out question. And you are wondering why do people think this is a scam?

How about instead of posting useless long replies you post some hard proof evidence? Show us the mask, tell us about the tape out, the chip package etc.

Obvious SCAM is obvious!

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IE, they might not be lying, they might just be wrong/ignorant. You should probably apologize for being so mean to the poor scammers.

Would you buy from someone that doesn't know that a major competitor already has a 20nm?
Would you buy product that is not going to be ready until February 2015 without any evidence?

Doesn't matter what this company claims. No chip, no miner, no sale.

Another BFL wannabe.
LOL... I'm not sure why you'd think my joking claim that they might not be lying about being the first 20nm ASIC manufacturer because they're incompetent scammers who just have no idea that there's already a 20nm design out there would indicate that I would buy from them.

I was adding to the JOKE.

Guess I need to add sarcasm tags I guess.

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Surely this is a joke? Nothing here says anything but a scam.
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20nm is too expensive to make and sell at current bitcoin prices.
Scam right there.

28nm is superior in price. Just design better chips like Bitfury.
Theres still room to improve designs.
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