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January 10, 2015, 01:58:51 AM
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Please refrain from off topic and pointless conversation. Or else I will have to start moderating again. All of your questions have already been answered in this thread.
Thank you.
I have reviewed your thread and you have been extremely vague as to how you are able to earn so much money. I know it is not possible to reliably earn large profits (measured in terms of percent invested) on a constant basis by altcoin trading.

Can you be more specific as to how you make your money? Can you give any kind of historical information as to specific investments you made in the past (with proof of course)
I am also curious to know why exactly the same three people tend to be continuously replying to people's questions.
My questions have not been answered. If you have posted the answers to my questions in an above post then such answers were missed. If you have answered the above questions can you please at least point to the posts in which you answered the questions?
1. I stated earlier that if I provided proof of revenue, then it can easily be replicated and would defeat the purpose of the program.
2. I try my best to answer all questions and I encourage that when I'm offline others help out with answering questions if they know the answers.
3. We are not only ALTCOIN trading this is a very, very, very small portion of our revenue. Arbitrage trading, small time business lending and small ventures that arise is how we earn our revenue.
Can you provide proof of any of your close positions in companies, alt coins, or other investments. I wouldn't think that you are both able to provide this steady of a flow of dividends and to maintain all of the positions of investments.
Yes, arbitrage trading is one opportunity in which we can utilise a lot of funds in one trade, making enough profit to sustain days worth of payments while we find other opportunities or maintain promised profit via stable opportunities.
Okay, can you provide any evidence that you were able to successfully make any arbitrage trades? Even if such person receiving such information were to agree to keep it confidential?
Even if it were kept confidential that one person now has the ability to use strategies to make 3% onwards on their coins per day, or setup their own stable site themselves.
No, I would not be willing to unless they had a substantial trust rating on this forum and next to zero finances. Besides that, I would not reveal anything to anyone, as that defeats my purpose of being here.
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Reference   Though I have not yet invested, plutonium managed to prove the transparency of his program by sending me quite a detailed PM when I asked for more info about his program and how the revenue (or interest) is generated. in my opinion, I think his program will be one of the longer lasting compared to other known scams.
The above positive trust was left on your profile and he does not have a very long history of trading, nor does he very trusted. He has however "invested" in your services and could potentially use his own money to "profit" in the same ways that "you" do.

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I cannot afford to risk my sites profitability, just for your sake of getting "proof" of trades when the balance evidence is in front of everyones eyes.
There is no evidence available to anyone. All that you have is essentially proof that you have bitcoin of your own. It does not prove that you will continue to pay out or that you have any kind of actual source of revenue.

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January 10, 2015, 02:42:05 AM
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Please refrain from off topic and pointless conversation. Or else I will have to start moderating again. All of your questions have already been answered in this thread.
Thank you.
I have reviewed your thread and you have been extremely vague as to how you are able to earn so much money. I know it is not possible to reliably earn large profits (measured in terms of percent invested) on a constant basis by altcoin trading.

Can you be more specific as to how you make your money? Can you give any kind of historical information as to specific investments you made in the past (with proof of course)
I am also curious to know why exactly the same three people tend to be continuously replying to people's questions.
My questions have not been answered. If you have posted the answers to my questions in an above post then such answers were missed. If you have answered the above questions can you please at least point to the posts in which you answered the questions?
1. I stated earlier that if I provided proof of revenue, then it can easily be replicated and would defeat the purpose of the program.
2. I try my best to answer all questions and I encourage that when I'm offline others help out with answering questions if they know the answers.
3. We are not only ALTCOIN trading this is a very, very, very small portion of our revenue. Arbitrage trading, small time business lending and small ventures that arise is how we earn our revenue.
Can you provide proof of any of your close positions in companies, alt coins, or other investments. I wouldn't think that you are both able to provide this steady of a flow of dividends and to maintain all of the positions of investments.
Yes, arbitrage trading is one opportunity in which we can utilise a lot of funds in one trade, making enough profit to sustain days worth of payments while we find other opportunities or maintain promised profit via stable opportunities.
Okay, can you provide any evidence that you were able to successfully make any arbitrage trades? Even if such person receiving such information were to agree to keep it confidential?
Even if it were kept confidential that one person now has the ability to use strategies to make 3% onwards on their coins per day, or setup their own stable site themselves.
No, I would not be willing to unless they had a substantial trust rating on this forum and next to zero finances. Besides that, I would not reveal anything to anyone, as that defeats my purpose of being here.
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Reference   Though I have not yet invested, plutonium managed to prove the transparency of his program by sending me quite a detailed PM when I asked for more info about his program and how the revenue (or interest) is generated. in my opinion, I think his program will be one of the longer lasting compared to other known scams.
The above positive trust was left on your profile and he does not have a very long history of trading, nor does he very trusted. He has however "invested" in your services and could potentially use his own money to "profit" in the same ways that "you" do.

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I cannot afford to risk my sites profitability, just for your sake of getting "proof" of trades when the balance evidence is in front of everyones eyes.
There is no evidence available to anyone. All that you have is essentially proof that you have bitcoin of your own. It does not prove that you will continue to pay out or that you have any kind of actual source of revenue.
He has a green trust rating, I gave him a bit more in depth information not necessarily hard proof of what we do.
If you don't believe in this program that is fine by me. I'll continue to run it legitimately like I have been the last 2+ weeks without issues
He has a green rating because I gave him trust because I did a trade with him several months ago in which he purchased a hero account from me in which he used to run a HYIP "site", in a very similar way as to what you are doing now. If you trust him enough because he has "green" trust then you could surely trust me.

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January 10, 2015, 02:51:15 AM
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He has a green rating because I gave him trust because I did a trade with him several months ago in which he purchased a hero account from me in which he used to run a HYIP "site", in a very similar way as to what you are doing now. If you trust him enough because he has "green" trust then you could surely trust me.

edit: removed green trust

WTH is your problem? You like the site, invest. Don't like it? Leave! It's as simple as that. Sure, you can spend way more time, requesting every single transaction proof or whatever. Or just leave and don't invest without making more noise.
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January 10, 2015, 02:53:36 AM
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I don't see why my opinion has to remove my positive trust rating from quickseller.
Disappointed, i've retracted my comments on plutonium
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January 10, 2015, 03:44:10 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

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January 10, 2015, 03:49:06 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

Gambling is not a safe nor profitable way to earn investor funds as far as we are concerned.
So to be clear you are not in any way gambling with investors funds. You are not using any investor funds in any kind of casino, nor is any investor funds ever "touching" a casino. Correct?

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January 10, 2015, 03:54:37 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

Gambling is not a safe nor profitable way to earn investor funds as far as we are concerned.
So to be clear you are not in any way gambling with investors funds. You are not using any investor funds in any kind of casino, nor is any investor funds ever "touching" a casino. Correct?
We do use mixing services that may go through casinos when converting to Fiat currencies. That is the only time a casino would be used.
Can you name the mixing services that you use?

Why would you use a mixing service to convert to fiat? Wouldn't mixing services cause you to have less transparency despite your OP claiming to be transparent with your investors?

Don't mixing services cost money? Would the use of mixing services cause your investors to have a lower return then they would otherwise have?

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January 10, 2015, 04:01:52 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

Gambling is not a safe nor profitable way to earn investor funds as far as we are concerned.
So to be clear you are not in any way gambling with investors funds. You are not using any investor funds in any kind of casino, nor is any investor funds ever "touching" a casino. Correct?
We do use mixing services that may go through casinos when converting to Fiat currencies. That is the only time a casino would be used.
Can you name the mixing services that you use?

Why would you use a mixing service to convert to fiat? Wouldn't mixing services cause you to have less transparency despite your OP claiming to be transparent with your investors?

Don't mixing services cost money? Would the use of mixing services cause your investors to have a lower return then they would otherwise have?
At the start of the program someone emailed in offering to do mixing for a small fee (1.75%) which we took. Mixing services are used just in case investors have been taking part in illegal activity, in which we did have an investor who steals bitcoins as far as what online records show of his address. We can't afford to be taken responsible for these actions hence we use these services.
If you had records of who invested what, wouldn't you be able to return any stolen money to their respective owner? Bitcoin is fungible so even if the money could be traced back to you then your bitcoin would still be just as good.

If someone had used stolen money then it would still be traced back to you because it would have to go through your "main" address. right?

1.75% is a lot for a mixing service, both bit mixer and bitcoin fog charge significantly less. What is the name of your mixing service?

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January 10, 2015, 04:08:44 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

Gambling is not a safe nor profitable way to earn investor funds as far as we are concerned.
So to be clear you are not in any way gambling with investors funds. You are not using any investor funds in any kind of casino, nor is any investor funds ever "touching" a casino. Correct?
We do use mixing services that may go through casinos when converting to Fiat currencies. That is the only time a casino would be used.
Can you name the mixing services that you use?

Why would you use a mixing service to convert to fiat? Wouldn't mixing services cause you to have less transparency despite your OP claiming to be transparent with your investors?

Don't mixing services cost money? Would the use of mixing services cause your investors to have a lower return then they would otherwise have?
At the start of the program someone emailed in offering to do mixing for a small fee (1.75%) which we took. Mixing services are used just in case investors have been taking part in illegal activity, in which we did have an investor who steals bitcoins as far as what online records show of his address. We can't afford to be taken responsible for these actions hence we use these services.
If you had records of who invested what, wouldn't you be able to return any stolen money to their respective owner? Bitcoin is fungible so even if the money could be traced back to you then your bitcoin would still be just as good.

If someone had used stolen money then it would still be traced back to you because it would have to go through your "main" address. right?

1.75% is a lot for a mixing service, both bit mixer and bitcoin fog charge significantly less. What is the name of your mixing service?
That's considered stealing. Despite the past of the coins, we can't interfere with situations like that. 1.75% covers what we need to be covered.
You didn't answer my questions. If you received a valid, lawful, legally enforceable order to return money that someone had stolen then why couldn't you return the money that someone had invested in your service?

If the money that someone had stolen went through your "main" address then couldn't the stolen money be traced back to you?

What is the name of your mixing service? 1.75% is much more then other very reputable mixing services that can protect your privacy

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January 10, 2015, 06:10:34 AM
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Now I don't see any mention of any kind of gambling in the OP. Would it be safe to accurately say that you do not in any way gamble with your investors' bitcoin?

Gambling is not a safe nor profitable way to earn investor funds as far as we are concerned.
So to be clear you are not in any way gambling with investors funds. You are not using any investor funds in any kind of casino, nor is any investor funds ever "touching" a casino. Correct?
We do use mixing services that may go through casinos when converting to Fiat currencies. That is the only time a casino would be used.
Can you name the mixing services that you use?

Why would you use a mixing service to convert to fiat? Wouldn't mixing services cause you to have less transparency despite your OP claiming to be transparent with your investors?

Don't mixing services cost money? Would the use of mixing services cause your investors to have a lower return then they would otherwise have?
At the start of the program someone emailed in offering to do mixing for a small fee (1.75%) which we took. Mixing services are used just in case investors have been taking part in illegal activity, in which we did have an investor who steals bitcoins as far as what online records show of his address. We can't afford to be taken responsible for these actions hence we use these services.
If you had records of who invested what, wouldn't you be able to return any stolen money to their respective owner? Bitcoin is fungible so even if the money could be traced back to you then your bitcoin would still be just as good.

If someone had used stolen money then it would still be traced back to you because it would have to go through your "main" address. right?

1.75% is a lot for a mixing service, both bit mixer and bitcoin fog charge significantly less. What is the name of your mixing service?
That's considered stealing. Despite the past of the coins, we can't interfere with situations like that. 1.75% covers what we need to be covered.
You didn't answer my questions. If you received a valid, lawful, legally enforceable order to return money that someone had stolen then why couldn't you return the money that someone had invested in your service?

If the money that someone had stolen went through your "main" address then couldn't the stolen money be traced back to you?

What is the name of your mixing service? 1.75% is much more then other very reputable mixing services that can protect your privacy
I'm confused what you are trying to say
Are you trying to say return the stolen funds to where they were stolen from or the address that invested?
Like I said we were offered the service, it's private, not public
I am saying that if law enforcement were to determine that a specific bitcoin address deposited funds into your "investment" then you could give law enforcement that money assuming that have a lawful and enforceable seizure order for that specific bitcoin.

All the money that is deposited by your investors will be traced through the blockchain and eventually back to you. If that was the case then you could be identified

What is the name of the mixing service that you use? I cannot see any reason why you would use such a service. Using a mixing service is only going to come your investors money. Why are you paying such an above market rate ofr such a small amount

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January 10, 2015, 01:32:01 PM
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Can i still opt for the 110% return plan ?

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January 10, 2015, 01:59:22 PM
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Can i still opt for the 110% return plan ?
Yes! There is still 46~ hours reminding until the promo ends
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January 10, 2015, 02:16:14 PM
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January 10, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
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IMPORTANT NEWS TO ALL INVESTORS

Since it is the weekend, we have no way of transferring the profit we made from our arbitrage trade back to BTC. We have reached our instant buy limits on both circle and coinbase, and will need to wait until monday until our deposit is ready to be put back into the main address. Because of this, payouts will be delayed until MONDAY.
DO NOT FRET. Even though this has occurred, we have EXTENDED the 110% bonus AND if you post your TXID for your investment in this 110% plan anywhere between when that promotion started, and when it ends (monday payouts) you will receive a 5% bonus just for doing so.

AS WELL as the 110% (+5%) bonus, we will be adding an extra 2% on top of the plan you have invested in. Say you invested in the 112% plan and have 2 payments due over the weekend, all of these payments plus your monday payment AS WELL as an extra 2% will be sent as compensation for the wait.

As for the trade I personally want to say THANK YOU for all investors in this program to this date. Thanks to you, we made a whopping 72% gain on our main balance including all investments we got last night. We'll be running some giveaways as well as setting up an ESCROWED signature campaign as soon as coinbase comes through on monday!

Wow it happened just before the end of the promotion, very strange!
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January 10, 2015, 04:20:34 PM
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IMPORTANT NEWS TO ALL INVESTORS

Since it is the weekend, we have no way of transferring the profit we made from our arbitrage trade back to BTC. We have reached our instant buy limits on both circle and coinbase, and will need to wait until monday until our deposit is ready to be put back into the main address. Because of this, payouts will be delayed until MONDAY.
DO NOT FRET. Even though this has occurred, we have EXTENDED the 110% bonus AND if you post your TXID for your investment in this 110% plan anywhere between when that promotion started, and when it ends (monday payouts) you will receive a 5% bonus just for doing so.

AS WELL as the 110% (+5%) bonus, we will be adding an extra 2% on top of the plan you have invested in. Say you invested in the 112% plan and have 2 payments due over the weekend, all of these payments plus your monday payment AS WELL as an extra 2% will be sent as compensation for the wait.

As for the trade I personally want to say THANK YOU for all investors in this program to this date. Thanks to you, we made a whopping 72% gain on our main balance including all investments we got last night. We'll be running some giveaways as well as setting up an ESCROWED signature campaign as soon as coinbase comes through on monday!

Wow it happened just before the end of the promotion, very strange!

yup i have a feeling that its going to be a poofffff!!
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January 10, 2015, 04:29:07 PM
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Do I get some bonus since I have to wait 3 days before getting even my first payout?
I sent to daily payout plan because I wanted daily payouts. I would have got more profit with smiliar plan without daily payouts, and I am not getting my daily payouts...
Yes, all daily payouts will be getting bonuses for the delay!

If that is true then good.

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January 10, 2015, 05:06:16 PM
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Do I get some bonus since I have to wait 3 days before getting even my first payout?
I sent to daily payout plan because I wanted daily payouts. I would have got more profit with smiliar plan without daily payouts, and I am not getting my daily payouts...
Yes, all daily payouts will be getting bonuses for the delay!

Is the 2% bonus for daily payouts automatic or do you have to invest in the 110% plan to avail the 2%?

Unfortunately don't have enough cash for the 110% plan. Sad

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January 10, 2015, 05:09:26 PM
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Do I get some bonus since I have to wait 3 days before getting even my first payout?
I sent to daily payout plan because I wanted daily payouts. I would have got more profit with smiliar plan without daily payouts, and I am not getting my daily payouts...
Yes, all daily payouts will be getting bonuses for the delay!

Is the 2% bonus for daily payouts automatic or do you have to invest in the 110% plan to avail the 2%?

Unfortunately don't have enough cash for the 110% plan. Sad

That is how it should be. And that how I understood it as well.

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