Regulation of undeserved negative trust

[koshgel]

One of the frequent topics I've seen discussed on this board is the Trust system and the members that make up the DefaultTrust. I didn't really pay too much interest to the situation until recently where I was given negative trust by a random member for having a business transaction with another member that had been accused of a scam. Even though I have never had any relation to a scam, I now have a red mark on my trust from an idiot, and it annoys me more than it should.

Is it possible to hire a trusted staff member (Badbear/Hilarious) or even trusted member (Tomatocage) to review cases of whether negative trust was warranted? I'm ready to throw some BTC monthly for payment for these services and I'm sure others are as well.

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[KWH]

One of the frequent topics I've seen discussed on this board is the Trust system and the members that make up the DefaultTrust. I didn't really pay too much interest to the situation until recently where I was given negative trust by a random member for having a business transaction with another member that had been accused of a scam. Even though I have never had any relation to a scam, I now have a red mark on my trust from an idiot, and it annoys me more than it should.

Is it possible to hire a trusted staff member (Badbear/Hilarious) or even trusted member (Tomatocage) to review cases of whether negative trust was warranted? I'm ready to throw some BTC monthly for payment for these services and I'm sure others are as well.

Looks like his feedback carries no weight.
Edit: Trust is not moderated so I would think you'd be out of luck. With a some high ranking members using it as their personal spring board, well.........there is little to no hope of any help.

[Blazr]

Just explain the situation with more detail and hopefully either the person who left you negative trust will remove it or others will negative trust him back.

He's not on defaulttrust anyway so his doesn't even count. You have to click "unconfirmed feedback" to even see it.

Spamming his trust back btw isn't helping. Leave him one that explains the situation and links back to a thread with more detail. You'll have more effect that way.

[Willisius]

I don't think this would be a good idea. It would be impossible for anyone to get all of the facts/evidence in a case to determine if negative trust is warranted or not. It is also not possible for anyone to determine the accuracy of such evidence.

If someone is leaving negative trust feedback that is not warranted and the person is not willing to remove the feedback then a public discussion is likely warranted (maybe open a trust dispute subsection within scam accusations) to try to get the community aware of both sides of the story. If the community as a whole decides the feedback is not warranted then it will not rely on such feedback and the person leaving such feedback will lose credibility

[Savi]

Just explain the situation with more detail and hopefully either the person who left you negative trust will remove it or others will negative trust him back.

He's not on defaulttrust anyway so his doesn't even count. You have to click "unconfirmed feedback" to even see it.

Yep, there is simple system, if the player is trusted only then he/she is able to give you negative trust, thank you.

[koshgel]

One of the frequent topics I've seen discussed on this board is the Trust system and the members that make up the DefaultTrust. I didn't really pay too much interest to the situation until recently where I was given negative trust by a random member for having a business transaction with another member that had been accused of a scam. Even though I have never had any relation to a scam, I now have a red mark on my trust from an idiot, and it annoys me more than it should.

Is it possible to hire a trusted staff member (Badbear/Hilarious) or even trusted member (Tomatocage) to review cases of whether negative trust was warranted? I'm ready to throw some BTC monthly for payment for these services and I'm sure others are as well.

Looks like his feedback carries no weight.
Edit: Trust is not moderated so I would think you'd be out of luck. With a some high ranking members using it as their personal spring board, well.........there is little to no hope of any help.

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

I understand that trust isn't moderated and most likely this situation is trivial to admins but there have to be other users that are bothered by unfair negative trust.

Just explain the situation with more detail and hopefully either the person who left you negative trust will remove it or others will negative trust him back.

He's not on defaulttrust anyway so his doesn't even count. You have to click "unconfirmed feedback" to even see it.

Spamming his trust back btw isn't helping. Leave him one that explains the situation and links back to a thread with more detail. You'll have more effect that way.

He's not? I see his feedback under my trusted section.

I already messaged him and explained that I have been on this site for over a year with hundreds of trades and never had any issues. I even try to help newbies from being scammed. His response was that he didn't care and that I had been having business with someone accused of a scam. I agree my trust to him was overboard but I was pissed.  

[KWH]

One of the frequent topics I've seen discussed on this board is the Trust system and the members that make up the DefaultTrust. I didn't really pay too much interest to the situation until recently where I was given negative trust by a random member for having a business transaction with another member that had been accused of a scam. Even though I have never had any relation to a scam, I now have a red mark on my trust from an idiot, and it annoys me more than it should.

Is it possible to hire a trusted staff member (Badbear/Hilarious) or even trusted member (Tomatocage) to review cases of whether negative trust was warranted? I'm ready to throw some BTC monthly for payment for these services and I'm sure others are as well.

Looks like his feedback carries no weight.
Edit: Trust is not moderated so I would think you'd be out of luck. With a some high ranking members using it as their personal spring board, well.........there is little to no hope of any help.

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

I understand that trust isn't moderated and most likely this situation is trivial to admins but there have to be other users that are bothered by unfair negative trust.

Just explain the situation with more detail and hopefully either the person who left you negative trust will remove it or others will negative trust him back.

He's not on defaulttrust anyway so his doesn't even count. You have to click "unconfirmed feedback" to even see it.

Spamming his trust back btw isn't helping. Leave him one that explains the situation and links back to a thread with more detail. You'll have more effect that way.

He's not? I see his feedback under my trusted section.

I already messaged him and explained that I have been on this site for over a year with hundreds of trades and never had any issues. I even try to help newbies from being scammed. His response was that he didn't care and that I had been having business with someone accused of a scam. I agree my trust to him was overboard but I was pissed.  

You possibly trust someone that trusts him. I see no orange except on him. I have tons of crap feedback, goes with the territory I suppose.

[Vod]

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

Then YOU have modified who YOU trust.  He does not have any influence in default trust.  I have the default and don't see the negative.

Don't sweat untrusted feedback - take a look at mine.  

[Blazr]

Check here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Make sure you only have "DefaultTrust" in the box and Trust depth is set to 2. This is the default.

You show as: 6: -0 / +5(5) for me

[koshgel]

You possibly trust someone that trusts him. I see no orange except on him. I have tons of crap feedback, goes with the territory I suppose.

This was the case

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

Then YOU have modified who YOU trust.  He does not have any influence in default trust.  I have the default and don't see the negative.

Don't sweat untrusted feedback - take a look at mine.  

I was definitely mistaken. I had too many people on my trust list it looks like. Now, he falls under untrusted  Not as bothered now.

Check here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Make sure you only have "DefaultTrust" in the box and Trust depth is set to 2. This is the default.

You show as: 6: -0 / +5(5) for me

Thank you! It's been amended and looks much better 

[SaltySpitoon]

You possibly trust someone that trusts him. I see no orange except on him. I have tons of crap feedback, goes with the territory I suppose.

This was the case

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

Then YOU have modified who YOU trust.  He does not have any influence in default trust.  I have the default and don't see the negative.

Don't sweat untrusted feedback - take a look at mine.  

I was definitely mistaken. I had too many people on my trust list it looks like. Now, he falls under untrusted  Not as bothered now.

Check here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Make sure you only have "DefaultTrust" in the box and Trust depth is set to 2. This is the default.

You show as: 6: -0 / +5(5) for me

Thank you! It's been amended and looks much better 

And the issue solves itself rather than giving an obscene amout of power to one potential totalitarian 

If someone's feedback against you isn't valid, who cares? Most people are bright enough to read feedback and see why it is you were given negative feedback before trading with you. "D00D's a jerk, scammed me out of 21 Million BTC" probably isn't going to be held with much esteem.

[kingscrown]

first we need defaulyt trust to be updated thats main thing needed.

[koshgel]

You possibly trust someone that trusts him. I see no orange except on him. I have tons of crap feedback, goes with the territory I suppose.

This was the case

It doesn't carry weight but at the same time the user has some depth in DefaultTrust. Now, I see an orange -1 next to my trust, and it bothers me.

Then YOU have modified who YOU trust.  He does not have any influence in default trust.  I have the default and don't see the negative.

Don't sweat untrusted feedback - take a look at mine.  

I was definitely mistaken. I had too many people on my trust list it looks like. Now, he falls under untrusted  Not as bothered now.

Check here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Make sure you only have "DefaultTrust" in the box and Trust depth is set to 2. This is the default.

You show as: 6: -0 / +5(5) for me

Thank you! It's been amended and looks much better 

And the issue solves itself rather than giving an obscene amout of power to one potential totalitarian 

If someone's feedback against you isn't valid, who cares? Most people are bright enough to read feedback and see why it is you were given negative feedback before trading with you. "D00D's a jerk, scammed me out of 21 Million BTC" probably isn't going to be held with much esteem.

I can definitely see how that power could be open to abuse 

You're right. I really shouldn't care too much. I guess it was the initial shock of having my first negative trust. I always look at references/multiple profiles of people with negative trust to see the full situation before trading with them. Hopefully, others are doing the same.

[SaltySpitoon]

I've got plenty of negative trust. I'll start caring when there is a valid claim and its from a member whos opinions I give a damn about. And luckily, the people who's opinions I give a damn about didn't get to where they are by giving people false trust. So it seems unless I do something wrong I'm in the clear 

[hilariousandco]

Your trust appears to me as 6: -0 / +5(5) . His appears as 9: -1 / +6(6). I realise getting unjust negative can be annoying but I think if you can't work it out with the person who left you it (or get the person(s) who put him on the trust list to remove him) there's nothing that can be really done about it. Of course it is unfair receiving unjust feedback but trust moderation would only cause many more problems than it solved and and people would then start complaining that staff were abusing their power or abusing the system *waits for Techshare to chime in with some paranoid bs that we already are*.

[Willisius]

I've got plenty of negative trust. I'll start caring when there is a valid claim and its from a member whos opinions I give a damn about. And luckily, the people who's opinions I give a damn about didn't get to where they are by giving people false trust. So it seems unless I do something wrong I'm in the clear 

And when people that other people value their opinions start to give illegitimate feedback the people who value such opinions will no longer value such opinions.

*waits for Techshare to chime in with some paranoid bs that we already are*.

I have noticed that there has been a noticeable uptick in the threads complaining about unjust feedback being given/received since armis was able to successfully get TECHshare removed from default trust list.

[TECSHARE]

Your trust appears to me as 6: -0 / +5(5) . His appears as 9: -1 / +6(6). I realise getting unjust negative can be annoying but I think if you can't work it out with the person who left you it (or get the person(s) who put him on the trust list to remove him) there's nothing that can be really done about it. Of course it is unfair receiving unjust feedback but trust moderation would only cause many more problems than it solved and and people would then start complaining that staff were abusing their power or abusing the system *waits for Techshare to chime in with some paranoid bs that we already are*.

Since you have decided to talk about me behind my back and not to my face in this thread here I will oblige you. Portraying me as "paranoid" and slandering me only demonstrates your lack of a defensible stance on this issue. You are right, it is complete lunacy to think a group of individuals in power here might abuse that authority to keep themselves in complete control of a trading system which makes or breaks the trading activity of every user here. There certainly aren't a plethora of monetary motives for doing so either.

This thread is a perfect example of what I explained would happen if you cater to people complaining about unjust ratings. Supposedly the trust is unmoderated, yet the staff pick and choose who they decide to moderate the trust ratings for if the default trust is involved. Now that the trolls, scammers, and con artists see that the staff have implemented a policy of appeasement, allowing a mob mentality witch hunt on long time contributing members of this forum for the slightest of technical infractions, they will use this wedge that the staff have provided to destroy this community from the inside out with a series of baiting, harassing, receiving deserved negatives, then complaining when it happens and using the incident as a form of retribution on any trusted member of the community. In this manner these scum get the staff to dance for them and destroy the community so they can continue to scam, harass, and con people free from interference, because the staff have now handed them a way to take retribution on trusted members of this community on a silver platter.

The staff have NO INTEREST in seeing restorative justice done. They have NO BUSINESS moderating trust for ANY REASON. Their ONLY INTEREST is protecting their influence over the system, and their paychecks. Seeing that users get justice is not even considered. In my case involving Armis, I was removed from default trust and he still has red on his name. If the staff didn't force their involvement, I would have been able to have the slander against me removed in my sales threads, and Armis would have a clean trust rating, because I would have deleted it after he removed his slanderous posts in my marketplace threads. Of course the staff encouraged him and he incorrectly assumed that slandering me and getting me removed from the default trust would fix his negative rating, he had ZERO INCENTIVE to work the issue out with me because in his mind he was getting what he wanted anyway, and WE BOTH suffered. This is what happens when disinterested third parties force their involvement in trust ratings. Now that these parasites have found a way to take retribution against the people who really hold this community together and ACTUALLY protect it from scammers, there will be no end to the inquisitions and accusations against trusted members of this forum. The real irony is they are getting the staff to rip the community apart for them with their own hands.




OP: I would suggest to you that if you don't like getting negative ratings, you should refrain from your "scambusting" type activities and limit your ratings to individuals you have personal involvement with. There are already far too many people on this forum searching for anyone to tag so they can outwardly appear to be helping the community, but the standard of evidence for leaving negatives has become so extremely low that it is now considered ok to leave someone a negative rating just because people SUSPECT THEY MIGHT be a scammer. This is catching up innocent/ignorant users and pissing off a lot of people, and as a result they join the ranks of scammers, harassers, and trolls.

In short the community doesn't enforce any kind of reasonable standards for leaving negatives, and these "scambusting" type of activities are becoming almost trendy, and I get the feeling a lot of users do it for their own personal satisfaction rather than trying to help the community. It is also convenient that "scambusting" gives these users an opportunity to throw personal enemies into the fray and just pretend as if it was just another scammer.  Instead of addressing this REAL problem with trust abuse, the staff would rather have a series of inquisitions against trusted members of this community while people who engage in this "scambusting" type of activity tagging people with little or zero evidence get a free pass when they are the true drivers of malcontent over abuse of the trust system.

[hilariousandco]

Since you have decided to talk about me behind my back and not to my face in this thread here I will oblige you.

Not really talking behind your back when I posted it in public for you to see. Was only a matter of time before you had your input anyway so consider it a preemptive comment.

Portraying me as "paranoid" and slandering me only demonstrates your lack of a defensible stance on this issue. You are right, it is complete lunacy to think a group of individuals in power here might abuse that authority to keep themselves in complete control of a trading system which makes or breaks the trading activity of every user here. There certainly aren't a plethora of monetary motives for doing so either.

You portray yourself as paranoid and the only person who is damaging your reputation is yourself by acting like a child and making up conspiracies like every other kid does here when something happens that they don't like. THE MODS MOVED MY THREAD ABOUT THE PRICE OF BITCOIN INTO SPECULATION! THIS IS CLEAR CENSORSHIP AND THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR INVESTMENT blah blah blah. Literally saw someone use that argument before. It gets tired.

This thread is a perfect example of what I explained would happen if you cater to people complaining about unjust ratings. Supposedly the trust is unmoderated, yet the staff pick and choose who they decide to moderate the trust ratings for if the default trust is involved.

You seem to be confusing the trust list with feedback. Were you not aware that people were added and removed from the default trust list before? Of course you were. How do you think it works? Your only gripe is that you were removed from it (and that boys club you apparently despise) and now you cannot use it to your advantage and to get your own way when needed. If I left you feedback for annoying me would you not expect me to be removed? Of course you would and then you would be championing the system as it worked as it should.

Now that the trolls, scammers, and con artists see that the staff have implemented a policy of appeasement, allowing a mob mentality witch hunt on long time contributing members of this forum for the slightest of technical infractions, they will use this wedge that the staff have provided to destroy this community from the inside out with a series of baiting, harassing, receiving deserved negatives, then complaining when it happens and using the incident as a form of retribution on any trusted member of the community. In this manner these scum get the staff to dance for them and destroy the community so they can continue to scam, harass, and con people free from interference, because the staff have now handed them a way to take retribution on trusted members of this community on a silver platter.

No, but people need to know that the list isn't full of power-hungry irrational crybabies who will abuse the position of power to get people to shut up when someone say's something they don't like. This would be terrible if we just give 'old-timers' or 'trusted' users carte blanche power to ruin any newer accounts they didn't like the look of (without good evidence). Then that would be a boys club and you were apart of it, but not anymore because of your own attitude. If you would've just looked at this from the perspective of practically anyone else you would've just calmed your ego down and rationally responded and removed the feedback, but you wanted it done on your own terms and were steadfast in that and it cost you. It's clear you're the type of person that wouldn't ever admit their mistakes or where they could've handled something better as you're going to go on about this until the end of time rather than just say, yeah, I could've been the better man and removed the feedback and not allowed myself to be baited.

The staff have NO INTEREST in seeing restorative justice done. They have NO BUSINESS moderating trust for ANY REASON. Their ONLY INTEREST is protecting their influence over the system, and their paychecks.

This is why you're paranoid and I don't take you seriously anymore. You're just making up conspiracy to suit your agenda. How does the trust system help the staff's paychecks? I think you being on the trust list certainly benefited your paychecks though because I think one of the main reasons you're very pissed is because no one will likely buy your overprice stuff anymore for the trusted positive feedback (and how very dare someone point out you can get the same thing you're selling elsewhere for cheaper! What was he thinking speaking out against a trusted member which is clearly out of line and not allowed! /sarcasm). And the staff also didn't moderate the trust or the trust you left, but you forced them to act to remove you from the trusted list. Your feedback is still there and always will be so what's the problem? The problem is you can't get your own way and people wont trade with you for the trust anymore. I must say I think it's funny how you don't want staff to moderate things but yet you wanted Armis' posts removed that you didn't like even though they weren't against the rules. You're a hypocrite and a classic case of only liking something until that same privilege comes back to bite them or (slightly) inconveniences them in some way. It's like the people who champion their right to free speech but yet don't like it when someone says something they don't like and then they immediately want them silenced.

OP: I would suggest to you that if you don't like getting negative ratings, you should refrain from your "scambusting" type activities and limit your ratings to individuals you have personal involvement with. There are already far too many people on this forum searching for anyone to tag so they can outwardly appear to be helping the community, but the standard of evidence for leaving negatives has become so extremely low that it is now considered ok to leave someone a negative rating just because people SUSPECT THEY MIGHT be a scammer. This is catching up innocent/ignorant users and pissing off a lot of people, and as a result they join the ranks of scammers, harassers, and trolls.

In short the community doesn't enforce any kind of reasonable standards for leaving negatives, and these "scambusting" type of activities are becoming almost trendy, and I get the feeling a lot of users do it for their own personal satisfaction rather than trying to help the community. It is also convenient that "scambusting" gives these users an opportunity to throw personal enemies into the fray and just pretend as if it was just another scammer.  Instead of addressing this REAL problem with trust abuse, the staff would rather have a series of inquisitions against trusted members of this community while people who engage in this "scambusting" type of activity tagging people with little or zero evidence get a free pass when they are the true driver of malcontent over abuse of the trust system.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

[Guy Corem]

One of the frequent topics I've seen discussed on this board is the Trust system and the members that make up the DefaultTrust. I didn't really pay too much interest to the situation until recently where I was given negative trust by a random member for having a business transaction with another member that had been accused of a scam. Even though I have never had any relation to a scam, I now have a red mark on my trust from an idiot, and it annoys me more than it should.

Is it possible to hire a trusted staff member (Badbear/Hilarious) or even trusted member (Tomatocage) to review cases of whether negative trust was warranted? I'm ready to throw some BTC monthly for payment for these services and I'm sure others are as well.

The troll spammed my trust as well. Nothing to do about it.

[HeroC]

He is not in the default or your trust list, so it carries almost no weight. I am sure all the other green ratings will counteract, you are still green 6 to me.

[TECSHARE]

Portraying me as "paranoid" and slandering me only demonstrates your lack of a defensible stance on this issue. You are right, it is complete lunacy to think a group of individuals in power here might abuse that authority to keep themselves in complete control of a trading system which makes or breaks the trading activity of every user here. There certainly aren't a plethora of monetary motives for doing so either.

You portray yourself as paranoid and the only person who is damaging your reputation is yourself by acting like a child and making up conspiracies like every other kid does here when something happens that they don't like. THE MODS MOVED MY THREAD ABOUT THE PRICE OF BITCOIN INTO SPECULATION! THIS IS CLEAR CENSORSHIP AND THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR INVESTMENT blah blah blah. Literally saw someone use that argument before. It gets tired.

What I am discussing is perfectly reasonable. The staff have monetary motives to maintain complete control over the default trust. No paranoia or conspiracy need be involved. You don't have to be "out to get me" to steamroll over me without concern.

This thread is a perfect example of what I explained would happen if you cater to people complaining about unjust ratings. Supposedly the trust is unmoderated, yet the staff pick and choose who they decide to moderate the trust ratings for if the default trust is involved.

You seem to be confusing the trust list with feedback. Were you not aware that people were added and removed from the default trust list before? Of course you were. How do you think it works? Your only gripe is that you were removed from it (and that boys club you apparently despise) and now you cannot use it to your advantage and to get your own way when needed. If I left you feedback for annoying me would you not expect me to be removed? Of course you would and then you would be championing the system as it worked as it should.

I am not confusing anything. You attempted to moderate trust ratings by using the default trust as a tool of punitive punishment for not following the dictates of the staff, therefore they are in fact closely linked. Just because you and your staff buddies talk about things behind closed doors does not mean anyone else on the forum absorbs your knowledge of the rules via osmosis. All I ever saw around here is that trust is not moderated, period, and no, up until this incident I had NEVER ONCE heard of people being removed from default trust, regardless of how much you insist I should have known some how magically because you do as staff. Of course you can see in my mind and can declare what I did and did not know for me. I would ask that you put the rules in writing somewhere, but you guys don't like to do that either. You would rather keep an environment of ambiguity where everyone is guessing what the rules are rather than them just explicitly being stated by staff.

Now that the trolls, scammers, and con artists see that the staff have implemented a policy of appeasement, allowing a mob mentality witch hunt on long time contributing members of this forum for the slightest of technical infractions, they will use this wedge that the staff have provided to destroy this community from the inside out with a series of baiting, harassing, receiving deserved negatives, then complaining when it happens and using the incident as a form of retribution on any trusted member of the community. In this manner these scum get the staff to dance for them and destroy the community so they can continue to scam, harass, and con people free from interference, because the staff have now handed them a way to take retribution on trusted members of this community on a silver platter.

No, but people need to know that the list isn't full of power-hungry irrational crybabies who will abuse the position of power to get people to shut up when someone say's something they don't like. This would be terrible if we just give 'old-timers' or 'trusted' users carte blanche power to ruin any newer accounts they didn't like the look of (without good evidence). Then that would be a boys club and you were apart of it, but not anymore because of your own attitude. If you would've just looked at this from the perspective of practically anyone else you would've just calmed your ego down and rationally responded and removed the feedback, but you wanted it done on your own terms and were steadfast in that and it cost you. It's clear you're the type of person that wouldn't ever admit their mistakes or where they could've handled something better as you're going to go on about this until the end of time rather than just say, yeah, I could've been the better man and removed the feedback and not allowed myself to be baited.

So staff didn't use their position of power to try to force me to change a rating they didn't like? I in no way was attempting to silence Armis, and he has the ENTIRE FORUM to speak out about my grave injustice of asking for face value of a gift card I was selling. Instead of using the appropriate areas to do this, he instead decided to harass me by slandering me on my marketplace threads, the ONLY place I am allowed to sell here. Who was silencing who? He directly took my ability to trade in those threads by lying about me, insulting me, and trolling well after he made his supposed claims of unfairness. He was not there to point anything out. He was there to troll and entertain himself. I know this as a fact regardless of your unwillingness to accept this so that you can portray me as some kind of uncontrollable power hungry individual looking to silence anyone who ever speaks out against me. Additionally I find it hilarious you accuse me of not admitting my mistakes when I clearly did admit to my mistake of giving the trust rating a monetary value and corrected it immediately upon request, as well as giving Armis several opportunities along the way to deescalate himself, but don't let reality get in the way of a good shaming.

The staff have NO INTEREST in seeing restorative justice done. They have NO BUSINESS moderating trust for ANY REASON. Their ONLY INTEREST is protecting their influence over the system, and their paychecks.

This is why you're paranoid and I don't take you seriously anymore. You're just making up conspiracy to suit your agenda. How does the trust system help the staff's paychecks? I think you being on the trust list certainly benefited your paychecks though because I think one of the main reasons you're very pissed is because no one will likely buy your overprice stuff anymore for the trusted positive feedback (and how very dare someone point out you can get the same thing you're selling elsewhere for cheaper! What was he thinking speaking out against a trusted member which is clearly out of line and not allowed! /sarcasm). And the staff also didn't moderate the trust or the trust you left, but you forced them to act to remove you from the trusted list. Your feedback is still there and always will be so what's the problem? The problem is you can't get your own way and people wont trade with you for the trust anymore. I must say I think it's funny how you don't want staff to moderate things but yet you wanted Armis' posts removed that you didn't like even though they weren't against the rules. You're a hypocrite and a classic case of only liking something until that same privilege comes back to bite them or (slightly) inconveniences them in some way. It's like the people who champion their right to free speech but yet don't like it when someone says something they don't like and then they immediately want them silenced.

Again, the staff having no concern for me and my well being is not the same as a "conspiracy" or "paranoia", but again don't let reality get in the way of your attempts at marginalizing and slandering me with personal attacks. You keep asking me how the staff maintaining control of the default trust protects their paychecks, and I keep answering, but you keep pretending like I didn't already answer this question by repeating it over and over. How might one gain profit from holding power over EVERY trader on the largest English speaking Bitcoin forum, I wonder? Also lets not forget staff get paychecks now directly from advertisement sales for moderation. If Armis was there just to point out a cheaper product, why didn't he leave after it was made clear he was not welcome? Why did he hang around to make insults? Why did he slander me with lies in 5 more of my sales threads? Because he wasn't just pointing something out. His goal THE WHOLE TIME was harassment. I attempted to solve it civilly via the standard forum enforcement mechanism (trolling is against the rules), but staff couldn't be bothered with that. I didn't force anyone to act against me THEYMOS FORCED SaltySpitoon and Canaryinthemine to remove me UNDER THREAT OF REMOVAL THEMSELVES! This is called a dictate, you try to make it sound like everyone got together and agreed I went too far. THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE CASE. Again you just throw more of your circular logic and moderator frustration and bias at me as if I somehow represent everyone who ever disagreed with you. This demonstrates to me clearly you have difficulty keeping your own emotions from bleeding from one incident to another, and frankly I don't think you have any room to criticize here on this point. I never tried to silence Armis. All I wanted from his first interaction with me was for him to post his slander ELSEWHERE, not filling the only place I am allowed to post trade threads with lies, harassment, and slander. This is not equivalent to silencing him BY FAR, but keep speaking like I am Stalin for making one allegedly questionable trust rating over three years trading here, maybe somone will believe you.

OP: I would suggest to you that if you don't like getting negative ratings, you should refrain from your "scambusting" type activities and limit your ratings to individuals you have personal involvement with. There are already far too many people on this forum searching for anyone to tag so they can outwardly appear to be helping the community, but the standard of evidence for leaving negatives has become so extremely low that it is now considered ok to leave someone a negative rating just because people SUSPECT THEY MIGHT be a scammer. This is catching up innocent/ignorant users and pissing off a lot of people, and as a result they join the ranks of scammers, harassers, and trolls.

In short the community doesn't enforce any kind of reasonable standards for leaving negatives, and these "scambusting" type of activities are becoming almost trendy, and I get the feeling a lot of users do it for their own personal satisfaction rather than trying to help the community. It is also convenient that "scambusting" gives these users an opportunity to throw personal enemies into the fray and just pretend as if it was just another scammer.  Instead of addressing this REAL problem with trust abuse, the staff would rather have a series of inquisitions against trusted members of this community while people who engage in this "scambusting" type of activity tagging people with little or zero evidence get a free pass when they are the true driver of malcontent over abuse of the trust system.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Actually no. It is not unreasonable to ask that people leaving trust ratings have either some kind of direct interaction with users they rate or AT LEAST some kind of evidence. Instead what this community has fostered now has become a mob justice mentality where accusations are made, and everyone looking to up their social status jumps on board with the negative ratings with little or no evidence. Saying that the bar is set too low is not equivalent to saying not to leave any ratings at all.

[picolo]

When I see a negative trust feedback made by someone who has negative trust I disregard it when I want to judge fast.

[kingscrown]

if default list was updated than current active users [alot on default are non active anymore or is missing top traders active in last year or more] it would even out the bad trust. since active traders trading with somebody RED could fix his rep. so there is no need to monitor the reds, the only need is to have the default updated to have more active members.

ie i trade here alot and i think none of users [well about malevolent monbux etc] is on default list, yet we all have loads of good trades.

[elasticband]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leave them positive reputation like you were doing.

[elasticband]

The troll spammed my trust as well. Nothing to do about it.

No actually i left you negative feedback before gen2 was launched and you were touting for pre orders in other manufactures forum threads. i left a warning for the community as your past performance was no representation of future performance, oh and guess what you missed the spec on gen2.....

This then resulted in YOU retaliating and leaving me negative feedback and also getting your little bitch helper Bicknellski to leave me negative feedback also. Months later you then contacted me saying you would delete your feedback if i deleted mine, i responded saying only if you got your little bitch Bicknellski to remove his, would i remove mine. You refused, end of discussion. Again get your little bitch helper Bicknellski to remove his negative feedback he left me in retaliation for leaving you negative trust, then yes i will remove the negative trust i left you. So maybe stop trolling and spamming threads that have nothing to do with you, mr spoondoolies-tech 

[koshgel]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leaves them positive reputation like you were doing.

Lol everything you are saying is untrue. I deleted the feedback I left because I didn't risk BTC and it was a bit spammy. The feedback now is refined and accurate. In my country the accused are not guilty until there is an end result. You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

[elasticband]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leaves them positive reputation like you were doing.

Lol everything you are saying is untrue. I deleted the feedback I left because I didn't risk BTC and it was a bit spammy. The feedback now is refined and accurate. In my country the accused are not guilty until there is an end result. You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

what was the feedback you left me and deleted, what did it say? So it's untrue that you deleted feedback, but yet you admit it's true, you deleted the feedback. contradictions incoming.....

[elasticband]

You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

So why start a thread bitching about this if you understand this is the way trusting someone works?

unstable is an interesting word..... something someone else would say

[koshgel]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leaves them positive reputation like you were doing.

Lol everything you are saying is untrue. I deleted the feedback I left because I didn't risk BTC and it was a bit spammy. The feedback now is refined and accurate. In my country the accused are not guilty until there is an end result. You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

what was the feedback you left me and deleted, what did it say? So it's untrue that you deleted feedback, but yet you admit it's true, you deleted the feedback. contradictions incoming.....

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

Go back to your hole and make more baseless accusations against people.

[elasticband]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leaves them positive reputation like you were doing.

Lol everything you are saying is untrue. I deleted the feedback I left because I didn't risk BTC and it was a bit spammy. The feedback now is refined and accurate. In my country the accused are not guilty until there is an end result. You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

what was the feedback you left me and deleted, what did it say? So it's untrue that you deleted feedback, but yet you admit it's true, you deleted the feedback. contradictions incoming.....

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

Go back to your hole and make more baseless accusations against people.

discussing if I am foreign and how i speak English....... now who else does that?

[koshgel]

I left you negitive feedback as you CONTINUED( not because you had in the past conducted trades with) to do business and leave and receive positive feedback for and from segvec after he was outed as a scam. I do not trust people who openly, publicly deal and trust scams.

Also the feedback you left me and deleted(yesterday, after i accused you of being segvec) was word for word something segvec said to me in several PM's, you also RANDOMLY posted in the thread where segvec was trying to buy a legendary account, I suspect this was segvec forgetting to log out of his koshgel account.

I left you negative feedback as i do not trust people who continue to deal with scams and leaves them positive reputation like you were doing.

Lol everything you are saying is untrue. I deleted the feedback I left because I didn't risk BTC and it was a bit spammy. The feedback now is refined and accurate. In my country the accused are not guilty until there is an end result. You are free to think I'm not trustworthy and I am free to think you are untrustworthy and unstable.

what was the feedback you left me and deleted, what did it say? So it's untrue that you deleted feedback, but yet you admit it's true, you deleted the feedback. contradictions incoming.....

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

Go back to your hole and make more baseless accusations against people.

discussing if I am foreign and how i speak English....... now who else does that?

You necro a week old thread that no one cares about anymore to start drama and throw baseless accusations.

You multiple times accused me of being a member that has an outstanding scam accusation.

I have nothing to say to you anymore. The trust speaks for itself. If you are going to harass scammers, have a brain for it. Otherwise, shut up cause you look stupid

[elasticband]

You necro a week old thread that no one cares about anymore to start drama and throw baseless accusations.

You multiple times accused me of being a member that has an outstanding scam accusation.

I have nothing to say to you anymore. The trust speaks for itself. If you are going to harass scammers, have a brain for it. Otherwise, shut up cause you look stupid

I jsut stumbled upon it saw the inaccuracies in your OP regarding WHY i left you feedback and thought i would come here and correct WHY i left you negative feedback, not for dealing with scams in the past but for CONTINUING to trust/ leave trust for scams.

[elasticband]

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Speak English, then get back to me.
Until then you Turkish Indian dot on forehead piece of shit, mind your business.

Cheers, foreign garbage.

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Well, seeing as to how I went to a top 5 tier university, I'm assuming I am not only more intelligent than you, but also far more adapted to this thing we call life.

Now please remove your ugly, Indian ass out of my private messages.
Thanks, schmuck.

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Get educated muck muck.
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[elasticband]

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

Go back to your hole and make more baseless accusations against people.

Again interesting you feel the need to comment on race and quality of english, just like you said in the feedback you left me.... just like the PM's i had with segvec....

[picolo]

If you have untrusted negative feedback it doesn't affect the trust seen next to your username. It's not a perfect system but better than no feedback and trust system at all.

[Mabsark]

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

I find that hilarious coming from a Yank foreigner that can't read, write or speak actual English. Also, why did you enter 1000 in the first place?

[koshgel]

I know you are foreign and its tough for you to follow plain English but the feedback I left had RISKED BTC at 1000. I didn't risk BTC therefore untrue. I deleted that and put up feedback that has no risked BTC but is very true.

I find that hilarious coming from a Yank foreigner that can't read, write or speak actual English. Also, why did you enter 1000 in the first place?

You genuinely sound retarded. I'm locking this thread since you can't stay on topic.