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[kampretkabur]

Hi...

I want to apply for this campaign.

Username: rkandrades
Current Post Count: 736
Current Rank: Member
Bitcoin Address: 19AcLEnoiQWoskfke1YDeweoKMUERBDpHx

Hello, Secondstrade.com.

Did you accept me?

you better check the spreadsheet on the OP yourself

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[hilariousandco]

Good, but still not enough. Those are just a small selection of users on this campaign and he only seems to remove people once people alert him to them. He himself needs to go through the spreadsheet and kick all the shitposters off and not just rely on others to run this campaign for him.

Considering the fact that he is losing his own money to lot of shitposters, I wouldn't say he is doing so because he is lazy or anything, going through 1000s of posts in local even if its translated, is a lot of work. Either he should hire someone to manage the campaign for him or remove Local and Games and Rounds from eligible posts

He is still getting very cheap advertising to have his ad plastered everywhere and it doesn't really matter where the spam is as it's still an ad impression for him regardless of the content of the post. I have suggested that he removes Games and Rounds and the Local boards as well (no idea why he pays for those when most of the other boards are disallowed and those two are obviously the boards that can be easily abused). I would say it's laziness that he does nothing to curb the spam and possibly even being cheap that he wont hire anyone to get on top of it if he can't.

[twn]

Games and rounds i can understand but removing locals make this campaign useless.without locals there are much more better campaigns here. Im here over 6 months cause he is paying locals and u can check my payments generally around 20-30 posts per week. And i know people they not abusing the campaign and writing on locals.

[ANdr0id]

This campaign is not being abused. It is one of the leading ones that haven't changed much drastically and is one of the only ones that pay on time without people asking every 3rd post here where are their payments. It is a pretty quiet campaign thread except when the other campaigns start failing and falling do others come here to find out why this one is working and still working without as many complaints as the others have.

[ANdr0id]

i updated every information until now.
and  i removed some spammer  from our site.

below is  remove list.

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zhuravskij3

and i will keep check for the future.

above spammers will not be joined  for our campaign forever.
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Hi
I do not understand why you gave me such a status? Based on what? See my post and argues its decision https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685;sa=showPosts  Where I broke the rules?

They listed you as a spammer in games&rounds on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1225853.msg12814445#msg12814445
Courtesy of mixxxer2
Your name is last on the list.

[hilariousandco]

Games and rounds i can understand but removing locals make this campaign useless.

No, it might make it useless for people like you because you wont be able to get away with one line shitposts and take advantage of the lax moderation some of the local subs have.

without locals there are much more better campaigns here.

Then you can join them, but this isn't about what campaigns are best or better to spammers (surprise surprise this one is great in your opinion because they don't check anyone's posts so people can get away with posting any drivel they want and in my and many others opinion this campaign is one of the worst (though that title currently goes to Yobit).

And i know people they not abusing the campaign and writing on locals.

Really? Nobody is abusing this campaign at all in the local boards? Many Russians, Turkish and especially Indonesians are abusing this campaign because it is one of the ones that pay for locals and no matter what crap is posted there.

This campaign is not being abused. It is one of the leading ones that haven't changed much drastically and is one of the only ones that pay on time without people asking every 3rd post here where are their payments. It is a pretty quiet campaign thread except when the other campaigns start failing and falling do others come here to find out why this one is working and still working without as many complaints as the others have.

It's not being abused? Clearly you're not biased at all /sarcasm. Just actually look at the spread sheet and pick a few users at random and look at the quality of posts that they make. Most people just spam giveaways because that's all they need to do to get paid. Why even bother writing anything constructive when you get paid the same to copy and paste your username or at the most make half-assed one line posts of rubbish.

[zhuravskij3]

i updated every information until now.
and  i removed some spammer  from our site.

below is  remove list.

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zhuravskij3

and i will keep check for the future.

above spammers will not be joined  for our campaign forever.
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Hi
I do not understand why you gave me such a status? Based on what? See my post and argues its decision https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=539685;sa=showPosts  Where I broke the rules?

They listed you as a spammer in games&rounds on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1225853.msg12814445#msg12814445
Courtesy of mixxxer2
Your name is last on the list.

He is the moderator of the company? I want to moderator pointed out to me where I had the spam posts/ Maybe tomorrow you too will find yourself in this list because this post? "Registered and expecting the bonus amount now.username - ANdr0id Thanks!"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240935.msg12917391#msg12917391 ore  There should be clear rules

[hexafraction]

He is the moderator of the company? I want to moderator pointed out to me where I had the spam posts/ Maybe tomorrow you too will find yourself in this list because this post? "Registered and expecting the bonus amount now.username - ANdr0id Thanks!"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240935.msg12917391#msg12917391 ore  There should be clear rules

The fact that a crappy post is allowed in the forum doesn't mean that it is allowed in this specific campaign. There ARE clear rules:

No spam, flaming, single word (or image), short sentence,  bump, “me too”, “thanks”, other forum(off-topic,meta, Politics & Society, Beginners & Help,Archival)  or   other obviously crappy posts,  - these posts will not be paid.

You've been banned here already; no use arguing it. Find another sig campaign and make better posts, or don't participate in one. I myself am careful to only make good posts as opposed to one-liners and spam, and I haven't had any problems here. Perhaps if you can make good, well-written, well-thought-out, and thorough posts, you may have a chance to be readmitted to this campaign. I wouldn't count on it though.

[ANdr0id]

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He is the moderator of the company? I want to moderator pointed out to me where I had the spam posts/ Maybe tomorrow you too will find yourself in this list because this post? "Registered and expecting the bonus amount now.username - ANdr0id Thanks!"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240935.msg12917391#msg12917391 ore  There should be clear rules

Dude, it was a giveaway that only asked specifically to only post a username to get the bonus. Am I sposse to post a paragraph about how the program is doing? No, that is not what was asked of the thread. That is one post. I would get that one post not counted, but that is upto the manager to decide that. Also if there is abuse of the campaign in their eyes from any of it's enrolled members, it's not the participants job to make that call, our job is post quality and not non-sensical driffel.

[twn]

Games and rounds i can understand but removing locals make this campaign useless.

No, it might make it useless for people like you because you wont be able to get away with one line shitposts and take advantage of the lax moderation some of the local subs have.

without locals there are much more better campaigns here.

Then you can join them, but this isn't about what campaigns are best or better to spammers (surprise surprise this one is great in your opinion because they don't check anyone's posts so people can get away with posting any drivel they want and in my and many others opinion this campaign is one of the worst (though that title currently goes to Yobit).

And i know people they not abusing the campaign and writing on locals.

Really? Nobody is abusing this campaign at all in the local boards? Many Russians, Turkish and especially Indonesians are abusing this campaign because it is one of the ones that pay for locals and no matter what crap is posted there.

This campaign is not being abused. It is one of the leading ones that haven't changed much drastically and is one of the only ones that pay on time without people asking every 3rd post here where are their payments. It is a pretty quiet campaign thread except when the other campaigns start failing and falling do others come here to find out why this one is working and still working without as many complaints as the others have.

It's not being abused? Clearly you're not biased at all /sarcasm. Just actually look at the spread sheet and pick a few users at random and look at the quality of posts that they make. Most people just spam giveaways because that's all they need to do to get paid. Why even bother writing anything constructive when you get paid the same to copy and paste your username or at the most make half-assed one line posts of rubbish.

If you are moderator you should also act like that. You cant judge my messages as shitposts without knowing what is writing over there, Even in local posts there is turkish moderator, if someone is spamming or abusing he can react. With your purpose you say also he is not doing his job. In 6 monhts just once i post 50 messages one week all the rest 20s 30s. Daily avarage is 4 during this 6 month.  By the way turkish local forum not so popular as you think. Im sure in weekly avarage message number inside turkish local less than 700 messages. So how come you think turkish people abusing this campaign.some turkish people could be abusing the campaign but not on locals. Could be under gambling or games and rounds subtopics. You can be sure there is no spammer under turkish local. Mod doing his job very well there.

[zhuravskij3]

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He is the moderator of the company? I want to moderator pointed out to me where I had the spam posts/ Maybe tomorrow you too will find yourself in this list because this post? "Registered and expecting the bonus amount now.username - ANdr0id Thanks!"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240935.msg12917391#msg12917391 ore  There should be clear rules

Dude, it was a giveaway that only asked specifically to only post a username to get the bonus. Am I sposse to post a paragraph about how the program is doing? No, that is not what was asked of the thread. That is one post. I would get that one post not counted, but that is upto the manager to decide that. Also if there is abuse of the campaign in their eyes from any of it's enrolled members, it's not the participants job to make that call, our job is post quality and not non-sensical driffel.

It was an example. I do not believe that you have violated the rules of the company. I pointed out that anyone can get the status of a spammer

[hilariousandco]

If you are moderator you should also act like that.

What's that supposed to mean?

You cant judge my messages as shitposts without knowing what is writing over there, Even in local posts there is turkish moderator, if someone is spamming or abusing he can react. With your purpose you say also he is not doing his job.

I doubt you are writing anything significant and it's funny how hardly any of your posts are more than one sentence. You can usually tell just by a quick browse of users posts who are just posting for payment because they rarely write more than one line. The ones I can read of yours though are pretty shit so I doubt your Turkish posts are much different. And just because a sub has a mod or mods doesn't mean places aren't being abused or that a mod isn't doing his job. An entire subforum is difficult to manage and police by yourself and thus can easily be abused as many of the local boards are.

So how come you think turkish people abusing this campaign.some turkish people could be abusing the campaign but not on locals. Could be under gambling or games and rounds subtopics. You can be sure there is no spammer under turkish local. Mod doing his job very well there.

Because they are, just like Indonesians. You're being ridiculous to say there are no spammers there and just shows your extreme bias. The Turkish users might not be among the worst or the most common but this isn't a competition. I usually spot them outside of their local board when they spam in games and rounds or off-topic but whenever I see someone shitposting and check their posts the vast majority of the time they're from one of those three sections and seemingly never bother writing more than one short post. It is a problem whether you want to admit it or not but you're hardly impartial are you?

[cjmoles]

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He is the moderator of the company? I want to moderator pointed out to me where I had the spam posts/ Maybe tomorrow you too will find yourself in this list because this post? "Registered and expecting the bonus amount now.username - ANdr0id Thanks!"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240935.msg12917391#msg12917391 ore  There should be clear rules

Dude, it was a giveaway that only asked specifically to only post a username to get the bonus. Am I sposse to post a paragraph about how the program is doing? No, that is not what was asked of the thread. That is one post. I would get that one post not counted, but that is upto the manager to decide that. Also if there is abuse of the campaign in their eyes from any of it's enrolled members, it's not the participants job to make that call, our job is post quality and not non-sensical driffel.

It was an example. I do not believe that you have violated the rules of the company. I pointed out that anyone can get the status of a spammer

Okay, this is my question:  How is it determined to ban somebody from the campaign for bad posting etiquette or just excluding the post from payment?  I mean, there are times that I would like to post in off topic or some other interesting thread that isn't considered relevant but does that put me up for a ban consideration?  Also, some threads only warrant a one line response or simple answer....do those posts warrant a banning or a non-payment.

I understand that there are several accounts that abuse the campaign because I randomly chose some usernames from the spreadsheet, I reviewed their post quality, and I was shocked at what I found!  It seems simple to me: if you're abusing the campaign then you should be removed....The problem, in my opinion, is the management of the campaign....rules need to be set down and enforced.  I understand that that is time consuming and burdensome but not only will it save money in the long term, it will also add legitimacy to the product and the campaign.

[hilariousandco]

Okay, this is my question:  How is it determined to ban somebody from the campaign for bad posting etiquette or just excluding the post from payment?  I mean, there are times that I would like to post in off topic or some other interesting thread that isn't considered relevant but does that put me up for a ban consideration?  Also, some threads only warrant a one line response or simple answer....do those posts warrant a banning or a non-payment.

Nobody says you have to write a thesis with every post and there's nothing wrong with one line posts and even the occasional one word posts but when someone's entire post history consists of one word posts in off topic or at best a short half-assed sentence they're a spammer in my and many others eyes. A good poster will have a mix of all sorts of posts from long to short and you can easily tell the difference between a lazy/greedy spammer who is only bothering for payment and a decent poster. Check out shorena's posts as an example of a quality contributor: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181801. He might make the occasional one or few word posts but the majority of his posts are helpful and it's clear he puts a lot of effort in and isn't just churning out as many crappy posts as he can. The vast majority of people on this campaign either post entirely in Games and Rounds or at best squeeze a short sentence that they put the minimal amount of effort in and it's not hard to spot.

[twn]

If you are moderator you should also act like that.

What's that supposed to mean?

You cant judge my messages as shitposts without knowing what is writing over there, Even in local posts there is turkish moderator, if someone is spamming or abusing he can react. With your purpose you say also he is not doing his job.

I doubt you are writing anything significant and it's funny how hardly any of your posts are more than one sentence. You can usually tell just by a quick browse of users posts who are just posting for payment because they rarely write more than one line. The ones I can read of yours though are pretty shit so I doubt your Turkish posts are much different. And just because a sub has a mod or mods doesn't mean places aren't being abused or that a mod isn't doing his job. An entire subforum is difficult to manage and police by yourself and thus can easily be abused as many of the local boards are.

So how come you think turkish people abusing this campaign.some turkish people could be abusing the campaign but not on locals. Could be under gambling or games and rounds subtopics. You can be sure there is no spammer under turkish local. Mod doing his job very well there.

Because they are, just like Indonesians. You're being ridiculous to say there are no spammers there and just shows your extreme bias. The Turkish users might not be among the worst or the most common but this isn't a competition. I usually spot them outside of their local board when they spam in games and rounds or off-topic but whenever I see someone shitposting and check their posts the vast majority of the time they're from one of those three sections and seemingly never bother writing more than one short post. It is a problem whether you want to admit it or not but you're hardly impartial are you?

Your messages are racist so please delete your messages. For couple people u judging all nationality from 2 country. a message before it was 3(russian)

[mexxer-2]

Your messages are racist so please delete your messages. For couple people u judging all nationality from 2 country. a message before it was 3(russian)

Not being racist is not a rule of the internet, its just looked down by most people, doesn't necessarily mean you can't post the truth which is most of the spammers are from Indonesia or 3rd world country.

[cjmoles]

Okay, this is my question:  How is it determined to ban somebody from the campaign for bad posting etiquette or just excluding the post from payment?  I mean, there are times that I would like to post in off topic or some other interesting thread that isn't considered relevant but does that put me up for a ban consideration?  Also, some threads only warrant a one line response or simple answer....do those posts warrant a banning or a non-payment.

Nobody says you have to write a thesis with every post and there's nothing wrong with one line posts and even the occasional one word posts but when someone's entire post history consists of one word posts in off topic or at best a short half-assed sentence they're a spammer in my and many others eyes. A good poster will have a mix of all sorts of posts from long to short and you can easily tell the difference between a lazy/greedy spammer who is only bothering for payment and a decent poster. Check out shorena's posts as an example of a quality contributor: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181801. He might make the occasional one or few word posts but the majority of his posts are helpful and it's clear he puts a lot of effort in and isn't just churning out as many crappy posts as he can. The vast majority of people on this campaign either post entirely in Games and Rounds or at best squeeze a short sentence that they put the minimal amount of effort in and it's not hard to spot.

I agree one hundred percent.  It is VERY easy to determine the abusers from those who post with honest intent. I just think that the rules need to be laid out clearly and enforced regularly....that's where the problem seems to be: the rules aren't being enforced.

[mexxer-2]

I agree one hundred percent.  It is VERY easy to determine the abusers from those who post with honest intent. I just think that the rules need to be laid out clearly and enforced regularly....that's where the problem seems to be: the rules aren't being enforced.

Rules are not laid out in clear terms to, ironically, avoid people to find ways to abuse them. Say , one rule says, you can't post posts below 100 chars , you can easily overcome by making a post with lots of "......." or such unneeded letters, and later argue that you were following the rules. Thats why moderators are chosen, who have more or less been proven to have a good know-how in reporting spam.

[twn]

Your messages are racist so please delete your messages. For couple people u judging all nationality from 2 country. a message before it was 3(russian)

Not being racist is not a rule of the internet, its just looked down by most people, doesn't necessarily mean you can't post the truth which is most of the spammers are from Indonesia or 3rd world country.

It could be truth most of the spammers could be from a country but that doesnt mean everyone from there is spammers. So you cant say indonesians are spammers or turks nor russians
Btw 3rd world country term also racist term just let you know.

[hilariousandco]

Your messages are racist so please delete your messages. For couple people u judging all nationality from 2 country. a message before it was 3(russian)

I don't think you know what racism is. And I'm not saying all Turkish, Russian or Indonesians are spammers or that they are the cause of all the spam but you can't argue with the facts at what Nationality the users who make the most of it are (whether you want to admit it or not). And it's not just a few users. It's a lot, especially regarding Indonesians. Go through the spreadsheet yourself, pick out the spammers, and check their profiles to see if they have any posts in the local boards and you'll soon see I'm right. A while back there were ten+ different users all posting 'waiting for the next game' one after the other in daily giveaway threads. They were all Indonesian. Is that racist? No, it's a fact. It's also a fact that most of the spam is coming from Indonesians and they're the ones spamming up games and rounds but it's not exclusively them. This campaign could easily put a stop to it though by not paying for Games and Rounds and local boards and that's why I've suggested it.

I agree one hundred percent.  It is VERY easy to determine the abusers from those who post with honest intent. I just think that the rules need to be laid out clearly and enforced regularly....that's where the problem seems to be: the rules aren't being enforced.

The rules are already stated but they're clearly not enforced and that's why spam is happening, but nobody should have to be told not to shitpost or post rubbish as it should be self-evident.