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July 07, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
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Well, the people on this thread pooh-poohing this topic might be idiots but are more likely their disinfo agents. You're an absolute moron if you can't tell the masons run the US monetary system - they put their symbols on the money itself. George Washington, Major in the British Army and 33rd degree Grandmaster is on the $1 bill.

It's fun to come up with these sorts of theories about who "really runs the world", but honestly, it doesn't matter. Not anymore. They can't control bitcoin, so they're up shit creek, no matter who they are.

Also, re: the topic title... there was crazy before the internet. it just traveled in books.

I pulled the above quote from the Freemasons and Banking thread, and put in bold the underlining theme of this thread.

What if?

What if the Fremasons or some other entity(s) were to somehow take control of Bitcoin, how would they do it, and what would it look like (become)?

I'm a firm believer that they (whoever they are) have taken a long, hard look at Bitcoin and in someway planning a coup d'état, setting the stage now for their second act.

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July 07, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
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I really think they could if they wanted to.

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July 07, 2012, 04:32:26 PM
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I really think they could if they wanted to.

Interesting! I don't how your post inspired me to think of the following, but it did.

What if we (not sure who we are) started our (again, not sure...) Masonic-type group, but open sourced, opened to all? Yes, I fully aware that that's what Bitcoin and its protocol is all about, but I'm speaking now of a fraternity of sorts, and not necessarily a parody of an existing one.

We can start with the symbol below, changing the G to a B with two arced images, reminiscent of cryptography, instead of the construction trade implements.



Before I go and purchase a domain name (believe I have a good one), do you, the reader, think there's enough interest? (if you say yes, I'll let you read my diary)

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July 07, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
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BTC <--- with a globe in the background Smiley

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July 07, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
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BTC <--- with a globe in the background Smiley

If you keep coming up with great ideas, you'll make Grand Moto in no time.

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LOL.... Sarcasm?

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July 07, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
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LOL.... Sarcasm?

Yes and no! (seriously) I now can't get this brainfart out of the half brain of mine.

I feel strongly about the following image from http://aocsmint.com/2012-copper-1oz-mjb-bitcoin-roll-of-20oz.html



To become a member of this soon-to-be-named Masonic-type org., one must...

  • be invited by an existing member
  • show proof of spending at least 1 BTC on any product or service, besides your own

I, being the founder of the soon to be name organization/group/(whatever), formally invite AndrewBUD into the fold (for lack of a better term).

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July 07, 2012, 05:16:43 PM
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^ I like it.... But it looks more like a coin..

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July 07, 2012, 05:43:06 PM
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^ I like it.... But it looks more like a coin..

I was thinking more of the design elements circumnavigating the Bitcoin symbol 'B' as the global element you so kindly suggested. Aside from that, what do you truly think about this idea? Will you be accepting my invite? I'm allowed by the bylaws (note to self: pen bylaws) to give out only one invite a day, with tomorrow's invite reserved for Matthew.

I sure do hope Matthew accepts, for I'll need him to produce the free quarterly publication for all the members of this soon-to-be-named organization. The publication and distribution cost will be paid for via ad revenue alone with Matthew and his team at the helm and paid a prevailing rate for their services. (that, alone, should get his attention)

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^ I like it.... But it looks more like a coin..

I was thinking more of the design elements circumnavigating the Bitcoin symbol 'B' as the global element you so kindly suggested. Aside from that, what do you truly think about this idea? Will you be accepting my invite? I'm allowed by the bylaws (note to self: pen bylaws) to give out only one invite a day, with tomorrow's invite reserved for Matthew.

I sure do hope Matthew accepts, for I'll need him to produce the free quarterly publication for all the members of this soon-to-be-named organization. The publication and distribution cost will be paid for via ad revenue alone with Matthew and his team at the helm and paid a prevailing rate for their services. (that, alone, should get his attention)

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So, if I get your plan correctly, that quarterly publication would only be published 1 time each year, right?

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^ I like it.... But it looks more like a coin..

I was thinking more of the design elements circumnavigating the Bitcoin symbol 'B' as the global element you so kindly suggested. Aside from that, what do you truly think about this idea? Will you be accepting my invite? I'm allowed by the bylaws (note to self: pen bylaws) to give out only one invite a day, with tomorrow's invite reserved for Matthew.

I sure do hope Matthew accepts, for I'll need him to produce the free quarterly publication for all the members of this soon-to-be-named organization. The publication and distribution cost will be paid for via ad revenue alone with Matthew and his team at the helm and paid a prevailing rate for their services. (that, alone, should get his attention)

~Bruno~


So, if I get your plan correctly, that quarterly publication would only be published 1 time each year, right?

You really know how to fuck up a perfectly wet dream, don't you, psy?

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If I don't have to pray to any false god, I'm in Smiley

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If I don't have to pray to any false god, I'm in Smiley



So not to alienate half the current members, I've opt to nix an idea I was a workin' on.

Before becoming a full member, you have to answer the following question truthfully.

Q. Have you spent at least 1 BTC on a product or service not your own? (future litmus test takers will have them offering up proof that such a transaction transpired)

Once answered, you will become the first Degree(1) member.

I'm so excited, I can't hold back my excitement. Soon, it looks like, the membership base is going to double. This is so exciting, and I wonder if this will excite others into wanting their own special invites.

Stay tuned, for there's more to come.

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PS: Although this post was pen on the funny side, I truly am serious about this endeavor.
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PS: Although this post was pen on the funny side, I truly am serious about this endeavor.


Phinn, old age is getting to you. And maybe that barn door also  Undecided

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Can I get in on this? Seeing as how it was my post that started all this, you know...

And I have spent bitcoins on something before. I can't remember what, though, so it must have been good..

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To become a member of this soon-t0-be-named Masonic-type org., one must...

  • be invited by an existing member
  • show proof of spending at least 1 BTC on any product or service, besides your own

I, being the founder of the soon to be name organization/group/(whatever), formally invite AndrewBUD into the fold (for lack of a better term).

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Actually,to join the Masons, you must get to know one and ask to join. All you need is for someone to vouch for you. Well, that and be willing to do crazy stuff while sober.

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Very forward thinking, this will make us better prepared to face the future where a satoshi equals 1 fiat cent.   Smiley
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Holy shit, Arlo! It looks like we have a movement.

BRB, all. Going to register the domain name now.

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Holy shit, Arlo! It looks like we have a movement.

BRB, all. Going to register the domain name now.

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Domain Name: FREECOINER.ORG
Created on: 08-Jul-12

I'm not a branding expert, but unlike Ellet (sorry, Matthew, but I'll make it up to you), I did do the following:



We'll be able to watch the Google search count grow daily for "freecoiner" as the term gets index via their algorithm.

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PS: Although this post was pen on the funny side, I truly am serious about this endeavor.


Phinn, old age is getting to you. And maybe that barn door also  Undecided

How do you like me know, psy. To paraphrase Rush Limbaugh, I can operate with half my brain splattered on a mining shaft ceiling!

Can I get in on this? Seeing as how it was my post that started all this, you know...

And I have spent bitcoins on something before. I can't remember what, though, so it must have been good..

Very forward thinking, this will make us better prepared to face the future where a satoshi equals 1 fiat cent.   Smiley
I formally request to be part of this fine circle of men of substance, as I have spend not one, but a least four bitcoins already.


Queued for invites (pending):

  • myrkul
  • thatbluedude

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This is interesting. What exactly would be the purpose of said organization?
I can offer proof of BFL purchase.

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Let me in  Smiley

I spent 2+ BTC (not to mention donated some as well) on VPS services, and spent lots in pyramining  Grin (and gambling  Wink)

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July 08, 2012, 04:26:49 AM
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This is interesting. What exactly would be the purpose of said organization?
I can offer proof of BFL purchase.

Thanks, mokahless. I've thought about this thread all day today while out in the field (not crops, but barn wood harvesting). I already had the name in mind, but waited till there was some sort of traction before I leaped.

To answer you question about what is the purpose of Freecoiners, you'll have to wait a spell while I conjure one up. I have several ideas--all good--and I promise they won't be stupid ones.

What I have so far in mind is:

  • Membership is free, and by invite only, albeit I may forego that aspect for the first X members.
  • A free quarterly magazine to all members once X members have joined. (published by Matthew and his gang of Merry Men)
  • A hierarchy system will be in place, tentatively degrees (o), to distinguish ranking of members.
  • A yearly Freecoiner Convention/Expo to be held on one continent on a rotation basis.

I'm inclined to accept your burden of proof, mokahless, without seeing it first-hand.

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To answer you question about what is the purpose of Freecoiners, you'll have to wait a spell while I conjure one up. I have several ideas--all good--and I promise they won't be stupid ones.

What I have so far in mind is:

  • Membership is free, and by invite only, albeit I may forego that aspect for the first X members.
  • A free quarterly magazine to all members once X members have joined. (published by Matthew and his gang of Merry Men)
  • A hierarchy system will be in place, tentatively degrees (o), to distinguish ranking of members.
  • A yearly Freecoiner Convention/Expo to be held on one continent on a rotation basis.
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Sounds pretty nifty.

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Looks like we've had our first password phrase leak. I'm now going have to change "Sounds pretty nifty." to something else.  Grin

I guess it's time to start a thread in Discussion about Freecoiner.org to get this nifty train a rollin'.

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"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." - Groucho Marx

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"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." - Groucho Marx

If this were the Altered Quotes thread...

"I'll join any club that only has respectable Bitcoiners as members." - Bruno
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Are there secret handshakes ?  Cheesy

Do we get challenge cascascius coins ?

Does it count if I bought chocolate from the UK using bitcoin?

What if I buy litecoins with bitcoin ? Cheesy

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I have spent probably 250 ish bitcoins on silkroad buying crap.. Does that count?

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Ok, Bruno, count me in.

Not even going to answer if I spent at least BTC1...

Can't wait for that yearly magazine!

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Magazine is cool.....

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I'm in, i've bought a few steam games, a powered pci-e riser, and other items/services well above the threshold

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I just had this totally altruistic idea, besides normal ranks we should have a honorary "bit" rank.
founder is the first bit, first two members are the seconds bits, next four are the third bits of the order and so on.
All hail Phinnaeus Gage, first bit of the order of the freecoiners
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Well I wanna be next Smiley

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I just had this totally altruistic idea, besides normal ranks we should have a honorary "bit" rank.
founder is the first bit, first two members are the seconds bits, next four are the third bits of the order and so on.
All hail Phinnaeus Gage, first bit of the order of the freecoiners


It great to see others sharing their autistic ideas.
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You're new around here, aren't you? lol

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Psy's reply hits the nail on the head or, in my case, drives the rod through.

It wasn't a typo, but merely an attempt at humor, at no time dissing your idea. When I first read through your post, my brain, the better half, read altruistic as autistic, hence...

One of the main charities that I donate to here in Sandwich, Illinois, is to a group that care for autistic adults. I don't have anybody in my family, that I know of, who has this disorder, but somehow have found a special place in my heart for them. Even more so of late since the state has cut back fundings across the board.

On a related matter, what would you give to be able to do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ6_W7_Zztw
Or this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MszlmT6ONvQ#t=2964s (the art segment is not very long, but wait till you hear the music)

All that said, please accept my humble apology if I somehow offender you.

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LOL,,,, This ^ one is good Smiley

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Well I wanna be next Smiley

You're in, Andrew, now invite somebody, hopefully one of the other users who have shown interest in Freecoiner.

I formally invite Matthew N. Wright, today, to join Freecoiner, with other invites waiting in queue since, by the by-laws (same note to self--pen by-laws), I've allowed myself/ourselves to exercise only one invite within a 24 hour period.

I've taken certain liberties in regard to Freecoiner in that I've elevated Satoshi Nakamoto to (100o), thus Satoshi Nakamoto(100o) and, likewise, Gavin Andresen(50o), pending him accepting the honor and joining this exclusive coterie (I'm beginning to enjoy French). All others, including myself, will only be elevated one degree at a time unless provisos have been granted via helping with tasks during the development stage.

Currently, I have the main Freecoiner thread in Newbie until it's ready for prime time: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92218.0

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Do we have a logo?


So as of now the Freecoiners are a thread on Bitcointalk.org Smiley




what are your services Bruno? do I get 10% off ? Smiley

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don't worry, you didn't offend me.
I just felt the need to use formal language, since we are witnessing the birth of a great thingamajig in this thread. 
We want to look good in the history books, dont we?  Wink
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Here's a thought. Combine the Globe idea with the gold coin you posted earlier. A kind of globe in the background but drawn with circuit traces.

Traces on a green circuit board would work well for continents. Kind of showing a digital world connection and placing the bitcoin logo in the center.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j6FLgqaYfgw/TdU1QyasHwI/AAAAAAAAAAA/1Dx4OuoTuzk/s640/IMG_3593.jpg

When I googled, I couldn't find quite what I was looking for. A lot of globes where circuit traces were in the background, but none where the continents on the globe itself were traces.
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/wklzzz/wklzzz1108/wklzzz110800128/10252215-electronic-printed-circuit-board-with-technology-style-against-fiber-optic-background.jpg
The only issue with a globe is that if this is a worldwide organization, only one side of the globe can be shown at a time. Perhaps two globes, one each side of the earth, slightly overlapping the the bitcoin B in the middle. Or perhaps the orientation of the globe could change depending on the location of the people using the logo at a given time?

I would totally draw something like this up but I have no artistic talent or much photoshop experience. So here is a pixellated draft of both ideas:
http://24.141.219.11/freecoinerdraft.png
If you are able to tell which continents I drew where, you will have impressed me Tongue

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If you wish to see all continents on a globe, take a look at the UN flag. They solved that problem very well Wink

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Haha. I've never looked that closely at the UN flag. That's a good idea.

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don't split it.... Should be original.. and the globe in the background should be some funky designs like on the coin thing... Unless I'm just spitting out stuff I saw in a dream Smiley

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July 08, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
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Here's a thought. Combine the Globe idea with the gold coin you posted earlier. A kind of globe in the background but drawn with circuit traces.

Traces on a green circuit board would work well for continents. Kind of showing a digital world connection and placing the bitcoin logo in the center.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j6FLgqaYfgw/TdU1QyasHwI/AAAAAAAAAAA/1Dx4OuoTuzk/s640/IMG_3593.jpg

When I googled, I couldn't find quite what I was looking for. A lot of globes where circuit traces were in the background, but none where the continents on the globe itself were traces.
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/wklzzz/wklzzz1108/wklzzz110800128/10252215-electronic-printed-circuit-board-with-technology-style-against-fiber-optic-background.jpg
The only issue with a globe is that if this is a worldwide organization, only one side of the globe can be shown at a time. Perhaps two globes, one each side of the earth, slightly overlapping the the bitcoin B in the middle. Or perhaps the orientation of the globe could change depending on the location of the people using the logo at a given time?

I would totally draw something like this up but I have no artistic talent or much photoshop experience. So here is a pixellated draft of both ideas:
http://24.141.219.11/freecoinerdraft.png
If you are able to tell which continents I drew where, you will have impressed me Tongue

If you need extra help with the website, I've recently taught myself some PHP and Javascript. Not sure if I'll have much free time though.

Psy mentioned the UN map, whereupon I immediately thought about the Gall–Peters projection.



You can even consider turning it upside down like in TWW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

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Someone send me an invite. I promise to continue making funny videos about high ranking members in an effort to keep you grounded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0HsVkpFu4

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Anything formal involved or do I just say your invited ?

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Well, since Phinneaus put me on the list, too...

If you're not already invited, you are now. Welcome to the club!

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ive spent BTC multiple times, some of which include buying a VPN, proxies, and 1 oz. of silver Grin

Along with that note, ive provided multiple services throughout the community.

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Anyone feel like officially inviting me?

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Anyone feel like officially inviting me?

Consider yourself invited, mokahless. For anybody else still in queue for an invite, please don't fret it or become disappointed. There's plenty of time before Freecoiner comes online.

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Anyone feel like officially inviting me?

Consider yourself invited, mokahless. For anybody else still in queue for an invite, please don't fret it or become disappointed. There's plenty of time before Freecoiner comes online.

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Cool thanks. Do you have ideas on how you plan to keep track of members yet?

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Anyone feel like officially inviting me?

Consider yourself invited, mokahless. For anybody else still in queue for an invite, please don't fret it or become disappointed. There's plenty of time before Freecoiner comes online.

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Cool thanks. Do you have ideas on how you plan to keep track of members yet?

Yes! I have this alpaca which has a memory like an elephant. Seriously, I have a rudimentary plan in mind. Keeping track of members won't be as difficult as to having them automatically receive ranking. At the onset, the process could easily be accomplished manually, but as time passes, I envision that taking way too much effort. That said, I'm open to suggestions.

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At the onset, the process could easily be accomplished manually, but as time passes, I envision that taking way too much effort. That said, I'm open to suggestions.

My answer to most things like this is: Decentralize. My suggestion: Each member can promote any other member to his or her own level, but no higher.

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At the onset, the process could easily be accomplished manually, but as time passes, I envision that taking way too much effort. That said, I'm open to suggestions.

My answer to most things like this is: Decentralize. My suggestion: Each member can promote any other member to his or her own level, but no higher.

Decentralize eh? Seems a good match for bitcoin. How about a new blockchain/"coin" whose sole P2P purpose is to keep track of members?

Hmm. I didn't think that through though... the nature of it seems to allow anyone with the software to... invite themselves...

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At the onset, the process could easily be accomplished manually, but as time passes, I envision that taking way too much effort. That said, I'm open to suggestions.

My answer to most things like this is: Decentralize. My suggestion: Each member can promote any other member to his or her own level, but no higher.

Decentralize eh? Seems a good match for bitcoin. How about a new blockchain/"coin" whose sole P2P purpose is to keep track of members?

Hmm. I didn't think that through though... the nature of it seems to allow anyone with the software to... invite themselves...

Replying to both posters above at same time.

Interesting concept! This may be exactly what I'm looking for. Is there a way to build a hierarchychain, one that not only keeps tracks of members, but ranks them accordingly as well?

Speaking of the ranking aspect, I first only thought of this as a novelty aspect for the members, but I now believe that ranked members should have more privileges than lower ranked members. What those should consist of is open for discussion.

I'm now in a quagmire. I have two threads going, and the content in both is important and needs to be merged so that there's only one central local to discuss the development of Freecoiner. I've previously stated that I won't start a thread in Discussion until the site is up and running. That only leaves the Newbie thread, this thread, or start another one in Project Development, locking the former two. When I started the current threads, they were both justified, but not anymore. Suggestions, please!

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Probably best to close both threads, start a new one in dev and link to it from both. One official thread now that the idea has come to this stage.

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Probably best to close both threads, start a new one in dev and link to it from both. One official thread now that the idea has come to this stage.

Agreed.

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Probably best to close both threads, start a new one in dev and link to it from both. One official thread now that the idea has come to this stage.

Agreed.

Thanks kindly for the suggestion, both. I don't frequent dev much, but that does seem to be the most logically choice. I will do that in a couple hours, for I'm tied up at the moment. The last couple of hours I've been putting some more thought into this project and believe I may have a solution as to how and what direction to take this endeavor. Don't worry! It doesn't involve an imaginary alpaca.

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