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January 13, 2015, 06:18:09 PM
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This would be really great. Ponzis are arguably unethical and don't belong with the real games and securities. Smiley
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January 13, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
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If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds.
What about this one. The OP is not asking for anyone to post anything, but is telling investors suckers to send bitcoin to the ponzi address (from a non-shared wallet, like QT or multibit) then the ponzi OP will eventually send money back to the "sending" address.

It does not appear to have a website

Games and Rounds.

If it has a website, it belongs in Gambling. If it does not have a website, it belongs in Games and Rounds.

So the posts with BTC addresses directly in the forum without a website can be reported?

Yes, though one of the ones you reported did have a website.

Thank you for moving those.

They are now creating multiple threads with the same title on the front of the gambling page. Isn't this blatant spam at least worthy of a few day ban?
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January 13, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

I think this would be pretty much perfect. Quite a lot of people are very irritated with HYIPs even if they aren't stupid enough to use them. As long as it's mentioned in the description of the section that it's "risky" then the argument of endorsing HYIPs pretty much vanishes, too.

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January 16, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

That would be a reasonable compromise, although personally I don't think they should even be allowed to advertise on this forum.



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January 16, 2015, 11:28:17 PM
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I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up.


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January 19, 2015, 05:00:33 AM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

Is this section going to be created?
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January 19, 2015, 07:27:02 AM
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I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up.

I also received a few ponzi  PMs spam , and I've reported them to an administrator .  I think now we need a new forum section only for the Ponzi schemes, what do you think ?
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January 19, 2015, 07:28:11 AM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

Quote
Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?
This does exclude investments/invest Gambling sites and normal gambling sites, it could be seen as controversial, whether a PvP game would fit into that section, but those are essentially not based on new 'investors' joining the game but rather new gamblers.

Overall I feel like we really need this section, because if you let the ponzi creators keep going, the gambling section will be unreadable to many people due to spam covering up the really interesting topics.
I would appreciated, if you could give us an update on whether this section is going to be added and if so, when?
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January 19, 2015, 10:00:14 AM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

Just noticed this post while reading over the Ponzi threads
In my opinion trial boards and sub-boards that can be experimented resolve the main issue before they grow into bigger problems instead of just focusing on the problem today, as a section this seems like a good idea because Ponzi's are overtaking the gambling section in general and should be split into a more manageable section for users and staff to handle.


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The option for users of the community to vote in trial boards to broaden the scope of the website. The forum would open new trial boards as resources permit, based on requests from the userbase. If a board does not perform well, it is removed to make way for others. A board's trial status is denoted by its name appearing italicized on the navigation menu.

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January 19, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
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I don't really care, the only thing I hate is the PM ponzi spam from new users but that has only happened to me a few times in this most recent crop-up.

I also received a few ponzi  PMs spam , and I've reported them to an administrator .  I think now we need a new forum section only for the Ponzi schemes, what do you think ?

Well it would be nice to have them all corralled together. I can see how you might call some of these games "gambling" because it is by definition. The HYIP and such are very misleading at times, however, and are just noob traps imo.


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January 19, 2015, 09:24:13 PM
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This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

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Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

Can we make this a reality already? I would even offer to moderate a board like this. It's making so sick that the gambling section is riddled with such posts. And trust me, people that are coming there for the ponzis know little to nothing about actual gambling. The don't come there for poker or sports, they come there to look for a quick 30% "profit". I've noticed that whenever BTC's price dives and we're experiencing a down trend ponzis flourish and it's really bringing the overall quality of the forum down because of the shady promotion tactics admins of those schemes use to promote them.



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January 20, 2015, 05:01:42 AM
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This exact same thing happened last year. Even the 'reputable' ones ended up running once interest died down, and there aren't enough suckers to play. It eventually ends up where nobody will play beyond the first few seconds because they won't get paid back, and the amount of different ones spread the players out too much. There's only 8 threads now. Most of them are spammers in one way or another and end up banned.

I say give it time and see, these games are not sustainable.


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i think ponzi sites should be completely banned on bitcointalk
each time a ponzi site scam,people start blaming bitcoin for this over other discussion sites and it give bitcoin a negative impact
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