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April 09, 2013, 03:38:04 PM
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so does it look like the richest are spending anything? or is it just moving then around?

Does anyone know?
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April 09, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
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Needless to say, I am not on this list.
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April 09, 2013, 07:40:05 PM
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Good luck trying to sell 100k coins, there's not enough liquidity in the system to handle it.

It is actually much easier to do than many may think. If you want to sell 100k BTC privately and off market PM me. I'll put you in touch with a buyer.


Will that buyer pay market price?
If the answer is no, don't even bother

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April 10, 2013, 06:13:38 AM
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http://blockchain.info/fb/12hi

I believe this address would be high on the list if it wasn't "cleared out".  I believe this one belongs to Satoshi because the oldest transaction was 3 days into bitcoin's existence. It seems a lot of mining rewards from the very early days were sent here. I tried to follow the money, but bitcoin did its job and led me nowhere.
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April 10, 2013, 06:35:50 AM
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What is the largest wallet that can be linked to an owner with confidence?

My attempt at adding to the bitcoin-using marketplace: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171843.0
Like online video games? Check it out! I'm selling at a big discount
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April 10, 2013, 07:29:42 AM
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http://blockchain.info/fb/12hi

I believe this address would be high on the list if it wasn't "cleared out".  I believe this one belongs to Satoshi because the oldest transaction was 3 days into bitcoin's existence. It seems a lot of mining rewards from the very early days were sent here. I tried to follow the money, but bitcoin did its job and led me nowhere.

Znort, how about running the closure and 'taint' tools on this address, that would at-least give a broad-brush generalization of if these coins were scattered to the wind or stayed consolidated, I suspect it would be the former as people were much loser with BTC back then when it was really worth nothing.

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April 10, 2013, 09:48:07 AM
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I can't BEAR to look from envy. Smiley  Tongue

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April 10, 2013, 10:04:54 AM
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Some of these people must be cheering right about now. Tongue

And some are cursing themselves for losing their private keys.

Haha, didn't think of that. That's so true. Imagine how many BTC's have been 'lost' due to this.
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April 11, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
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looks like we have picked up the scent  Grin

znort, as you stated the closure won't include addressees that don't engage in joint sending transactions.  But if someone performs single address to single address transfers these escape the closure.  Perhaps very conservative approach of inducing addresses that receive all their funds from already closured addresses AND when that amount represents a significant portion (say >50%) of all the coins in the closure we can be very confident that this is really an address owned by the closure owner.  This might catch slightly more addresses then the closure and taint methods as we would continue to see mining income to the wider closure which would improve the taint analysis.

Also another possible tool idea, I call it coin-transaction-age, simply a count of now many times an individual coin has been transacted.  It should then be possible to create a mean-transaction-age of someones coins and tell roughly how circulated their coins are.  A newly mined 50 value coin would have 1 transaction (the one that mined it) and the first time its transferred it becomes a 2 transaction coin and so on and so on.  If coins merge just take the weighted average.  So your earlier statistic about these 'abandoned' coins would evolve into a full-spectrum of the whole coin base from 1 transactions to thousands, I suspect we would see a power-curve with a small number of coins performing huge numbers of transactions.

Now what gets interesting is do to a mean-transaction-age for a wallets balance, this would effectively tell us how close an address is to mining (giving a low count), or if they are very far (in a transaction sense) from mining activity and engaging with older more used coins (like a merchant for example).  Could provide an interesting angle by which to analyze addresses.

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April 11, 2013, 06:44:42 AM
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Boy look at this transaction, 69K going into 1 address.  It comes from the merging and emptying out of 2 addresses which themselves have been receiving coins in 2.5K installments regularly since May 2012.  It dose not look like mining though, as I don't see generated coins, rather it looks like a lot of small transactions so I don't think this is a miner.

http://blockchain.info/address/1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx?sort=1

This is also a good example of the kind of transaction that would be missed by normal closure, but because they are being cleaned out and put into a completely new address we can be confident this is all still under one persons control (or someone got hacked).

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April 11, 2013, 08:22:54 AM
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That's about 2028 transactions, involving about 5000 addresses. I computed
the balance for all of these, and ... the outcome is very interesting  Grin

Do you care to share the interesting part ?

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April 11, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
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But as long as a new address is used, you don't know who that belongs to, you can't be sure, you can't prove anything. It could be a payment or other legitimate transaction.

And the minute the original owner decides to use a proper mixing service, the output address on the other side of the mixer can't be linked at all. (no taint.)

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April 12, 2013, 08:54:51 PM
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Hey guys, have you noticed, than coins from oldest and richest wallets (from 1st post) began to move coins just before the crash...
Just look attentively at their transactions...

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April 12, 2013, 09:09:04 PM
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Quite many saw the crash coming, and/or sold the second day at $150-$200.

Not me. I was too busy making money and today also buying a lot.  Smiley

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April 12, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
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Quite many saw the crash coming, and/or sold the second day at $150-$200.

Not me. I was too busy making money and today also buying a lot.  Smiley

Sold at $245 and had plenty of time to buy back in at $78. Took some time for this short move to be realized, but thankfully the ;;goxlag made it easy to throw that buy order in the book after someone bit on my sell. Took less than two days for this to be realized... I though it might have taken two or three weeks for this move to complete.

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April 12, 2013, 10:44:12 PM
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Boy look at this transaction, 69K going into 1 address.  It comes from the merging and emptying out of 2 addresses which themselves have been receiving coins in 2.5K installments regularly since May 2012.  It dose not look like mining though, as I don't see generated coins, rather it looks like a lot of small transactions so I don't think this is a miner.

http://blockchain.info/address/1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx?sort=1

This is also a good example of the kind of transaction that would be missed by normal closure, but because they are being cleaned out and put into a completely new address we can be confident this is all still under one persons control (or someone got hacked).

That's a silkroad wallet. One of the addresses that dumps into it mentions a silkroad mixer.
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April 13, 2013, 04:07:08 AM
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Bookmarked. Later come back.
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April 14, 2013, 09:58:43 AM
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Thanks znort.  Minimum still coming down. Possibly some big holders did some of the recent selling.
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April 14, 2013, 11:43:20 AM
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Thanks znort.  Minimum still coming down. Possibly some big holders did some of the recent selling.

As a relative big holder myself, I prefer not to show up on the list. I am sure the large early holders have net decreased their position during March-April, but for the most part, the minimum coming down just means that they break their paperwallets to much smaller ones, so as to retain better pseudonymity.

Whereas BTC10,000 was a chump change for many back in early 2011, now it is a formidable chunk of wealth that people are watching closely. Breaking it up to BTC500 increments with a mixing service would be my choice if I had the problem of having too large a paper wallet.

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April 15, 2013, 02:16:37 PM
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Thus my inquiry into how many are holding how much earlier in this thread, I think.

The most "hideable" amounts seem to be in the under 1000 coins range. So break up your wallet into several consisting of almost random amounts between 1 to 999 and no one is going to pay much attention to them.

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