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January 16, 2015, 02:21:10 AM
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By The Judge - All American perusers here should know who I'm referring to. Grin

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The theory of anti-hate speech laws is that hate speech often leads to violence, and violence demands police and thus the expenditure of public resources, and so the government can make it illegal to spout hatred in order to conserve its resources. This attitude presumes, as Wilson did when he prosecuted folks for publicly singing German songs during World War I, that the government is the origin of free speech and can lawfully limit the speech it hates and fears. It also presumes that all ideas are equal, and none is worthy of hatred.

When the massacres occurred last week in Paris, all three of the murderers knew that the police would be unarmed and so would be their victims. It was as if they were shooting fish in a barrel. Why is that? The answer lies in the same mentality that believes it can eradicate hate by regulating speech. That mentality demands that government have a monopoly on violence, even violence against evil.

So, to those who embrace this dreadful theory, the great loss in Paris last week was not human life, which is a gift from God; it was free speech, which is a gift from the state. Hence the French government, which seems not to care about innocent life, instead of addressing these massacres as crimes against innocent people, proclaimed the massacres crimes against the freedom of speech. Would the French government have reacted similarly if the murderers had killed workers at an ammunition factory, instead of at a satirical magazine?

And how hypocritical was it of the French government to claim it defends free speech! In France, you can go to jail if you publicly express hatred for a group whose members may be defined generally by characteristics of birth, such as gender, age, race, place of origin or religion.

More...http://original.antiwar.com/andrew-p-napolitano/2015/01/14/what-freedom-of-speech/
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January 16, 2015, 09:00:30 AM
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The lack of freedom in the world in general has been increasing. Very few countries have their own foreign policy!
The USA tell countries what to do and they all jump! So this issue in France was born in USA!!
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January 16, 2015, 09:18:38 AM
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Freedom of speech must be absolute, if you believe anything else, you are a hypocrite and give credibility to the very people you claim to fight the anti-semitic guy that got arrested probably got several thousand more people behind him because of his arrest, so good job, well done, everyone can pat themselves on the back for becoming a bunch of fascists.
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January 16, 2015, 09:43:12 AM
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there are 1000s of people in european prisons for questioning the holocaust, we don't have free speech at all

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January 16, 2015, 10:23:34 AM
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Freedom of speech must be absolute
absolute freedom often leads to chaos and anarchy...
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January 16, 2015, 10:26:33 AM
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Freedom of speech must be absolute
absolute freedom often leads to chaos and anarchy...

The logic of a fascist.
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January 16, 2015, 05:22:04 PM
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Freedom of speech must be absolute, if you believe anything else, you are a hypocrite and give credibility to the very people you claim to fight the anti-semitic guy that got arrested probably got several thousand more people behind him because of his arrest, so good job, well done, everyone can pat themselves on the back for becoming a bunch of fascists.

Yeh arresting the comedian guy was an absolute joke. I couldn't believe the hypocrisy. Everyone has been screaming about free speech and how it's their right, and then as soon as someone says something they don't like they're all you can't say that then they arrest him. Freedom of speech has to work both ways otherwise its just another form of oppression to those who say thing you don't like.

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January 17, 2015, 11:00:17 AM
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Freedom of speech must be absolute
absolute freedom often leads to chaos and anarchy...
The logic of a fascist.
why only fascist? democracy means absolutely freedom? no, you must submit to the majority of voters. socialism means absolutely freedom? No, government controls most of "freedoms". etc.
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January 17, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
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You seem unaware that I am an actual Anarchist, even democratic wise I don't think these governments truly represent the people, only direct democracy would really be capable of that because if a politician decides to act on their own they can be put in their place. Also, in regards to submitting to the majority, why? If your intentions are peaceful, then living differently from the majority shouldn't be a problem, but with current western democracy we actually have mob rule more than anything where it's voting blocs that win the day rather than an actual majority.
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January 17, 2015, 11:58:39 AM
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there are 1000s of people in european prisons for questioning the holocaust, we don't have free speech at all

Is there would you be able to back that up with the source you got that information?

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January 17, 2015, 11:59:42 AM
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Took me five seconds to google it.

http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/insights/pdf/bazyler.pdf
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January 17, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
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in Germany its illegal to have any Nazi type stuff or say anything pro Nazi.
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January 17, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
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Yeah, I think it's mainly to do with Nazi symbols though I didn't know there was hate speech laws as well.
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January 17, 2015, 09:59:54 PM
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I guess at the end of the day, there's at least an acceptable amount of free speech in France. Much more than in North Korea where going to jail for such a violation isn't just a vacation but a hellish time away from family that may never end. You'd think in a socialist paradise like France, they would place a premium on the basic human right of freedom of speech. Of course, unpopular speech always is the lynch pin to infringe on one's rights which should be free from govt restrictions. A right is a moral principle defining and sanctioning man's freedom of action in a social context; a privilege is different and that's what we're witnessing here in most countries.
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January 18, 2015, 12:09:03 AM
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Je Suis Charlie, were lackin'

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January 18, 2015, 02:39:17 AM
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Je Suis Charlie, were lackin'

this isn't about him its about human rights to say whatever you want and not fear getting you head blown off for it.
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January 18, 2015, 04:06:38 AM
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Sure would be nice to see the narrative of the good Islam speaking out against the small and extremist bad being the leading indicator in the media across the world today. Oh, and gun rights would be helpful in France and other areas that leave innocent people hanging out to dry as the criminals have their way on the front end and the police clean up the mess on the flip side. Call 911 and die. Pack a 1911 and stay alive or at least have a better chance.
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January 18, 2015, 06:01:17 PM
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Sure would be nice to see the narrative of the good Islam speaking out against the small and extremist bad being the leading indicator in the media across the world today. Oh, and gun rights would be helpful in France and other areas that leave innocent people hanging out to dry as the criminals have their way on the front end and the police clean up the mess on the flip side. Call 911 and die. Pack a 1911 and stay alive or at least have a better chance.

same thing with stand your ground laws.
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January 19, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
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Answer none :



for this you go in jail in this fucked country...

source: http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jopdf/common/jo_pdf.jsp?numJO=0&dateJO=19710103&numTexte=&pageDebut=00074&pageFin= 1970 law on drugs.

The POF thinks, he is some kind of king, so all people of france, because he was elected by at best a majority must worship him like past phirao... (and if it's not him, it's his entourage that will persuade him).

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January 19, 2015, 07:22:59 PM
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Since when that insulting prophets is part of freedom of speech , bullshit.
a Famous actor in France after the terrorists attacked Charlie hebdo and got killed said : "Je suis Charlie , Je suis Kolibali" second name (not sure how to write it ) is that Africain guy name ... => that actor is now in jail , where is freedom of speech here ?
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