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UPDATE 1: WoodCollector creates a hate thread in order to intimidate me into silence. He will post his evidence "soon": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109.0

UPDATE 2: A carver with 40 years of experience calls bullshit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10223017#msg10223017

UPDATE 3: Several pieces are found to be using stolen artwork: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10226824#msg10226824

UPDATE 4: IMPORTANT: I have received PMs indicating that WoodCollector is contacting his customers privately, and attempting to extort more money out of them by claiming that he will provide them with video proof once they pay their outstanding balance. I urge any customers who have not paid in full to not give this scammer any more of your money as he runs out the door.

UPDATE 5: Thread where WoodCollector attempts to recruit paid shills to push his phony wares: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915488.0

UPDATE 6: Thread where our Master Carver is tired of making $10 million a year, and is interested in a much more lucrative career operating a dark market website selling marijuana paraphernalia: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884265.msg9753499#msg9753499.

UPDATE 7: More stolen artwork: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10235300#msg10235300

UPDATE 8: WoodCollector resorts to using homophobic slurs to silence his detractors: http://i.imgur.com/DWQ8trs.png

UPDATE 9: Several of WoodCarver's customers have PMed me stating that they realize they were ripped off for hundreds/thousands of dollars, but are currently too afraid to come forward for fear their personal information will be released.

UPDATE 10: A South African resident calls bullshit on everything WC has stated about his woods, with links to back it up. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864472.msg10237658#msg10237658

UPDATE 11: WoodCollector locks both of his hate threads against me, after posting screenshots of him uploading a proof video. The screenshots turn out to be bogus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10239877#msg10239877

UPDATE 12: WoodCollector can't figure out how to engrave straight lines onto wood with his laser engraver on November 29, 2014: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877143.0

FINAL UPDATE: WoodCollector finally shares his video proof. It is a video of WoodCollector using a Dremel rotary tool to damage a piece of wood that he has laser engraved a design into. Note that the wood is already completely engraved when the piece is first shown! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0

WoodCollector's pieces truly are beautiful, but I believe he's SERIOUSLY misrepresenting himself as being a "master carver" and that his pieces are "carved by hand". It's too bad, because if he was honest about his production methods, people would still buy his products. They'd just know what they were paying for.

Reasons why I think WoodCollector is full of shit:

He claims to be a master wood carver, showing off insanely detailed "hand-carved" pieces:




But all of his "carvings" are impossibly perfect -- just as perfect as a laser etching tool.

Okay, well, maybe he's just that good at carving. After all, he's a master right?

But if he's so good at carving, why can't he cut shapes? Why doesn't he care that his BTC logo shapes are terribly deformed?

Look at the top two legs, as well as the inside cut-outs:


Here's another bad cut:


If he's so good at carving, why do all of his carvings have only two levels of height, as a laser cutter would produce, instead of varying height like hand tools would produce?

Check out the obvious difference in quality between the cutting of the shape and the engraving:


Here's an outlined version. Notice how the verticals do not line up, and are not even the same width.


He obviously has a laser cutter, as evidenced by these perfectly-rendered logos:





Laser cutters also etch wood to a consistent depth, like WC's pieces, whereas a hand-carved relief piece would have a varying height in the flat part.

He claims to be a MASTER CARVER making $10 million a year, but spends 130+ hours working at $18/hr because he "just loves bitcoin so much".

His normal rate is $450-800/hr.
My normal rate averages about $450 to $800 an hour depending on the difficulty of the wood i am working with.

His normal rate is $3,000/hr.
you are going to un-ass $30,000 and get about 10 - 20 hours worth of carving out of me

Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr.

Because he loves bitcoin so much, he makes BITCOIN THEMED DILDOS.

For 0.6% of his regular wage.

Yes, a MASTER CARVER who makes three thousand dollars FOR ONE HOUR OF WORK needs to take out a thousand-dollar loan to buy a new lathe:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=871938.msg10191336#msg10191336

WoodCollector, I hereby CHARGE YOU with MISREPRESENTATION of the first degree, and REQUEST the following in order to disprove my theory:

-pictures of your carving tools
-video of you carving a coin with your tools
-name of the master artisan you studied under, and in which country he is located

My apologies to anyone who purchased one of WoodCollector's pieces -- hopefully you bought it because you like it, not because it was "carved by hand" by a "master".

FINAL STATUS: WoodCollector has proven, without a doubt, his artistic skill.

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January 20, 2015, 12:10:42 PM
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Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

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Interesting challenge, looking forward to the response  Shocked

Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.

Knew nothing about wood laser engraving but have to admit the end results look very similar -

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Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.

This. And because I am an actual artisan, and it upsets me to see people claiming to be artisans -- and charging artisan prices -- when they're amateurs producing sub-par work.

He's a great *artist* and *designer*, sure... as long as those designs are his. That's where his skill ends.

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you would think the inside would be etched also and not left looking so scruffy

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you would think the inside would be etched also and not left looking so scruffy

I don't think you can etch the inside edges with a laser, so that's probably why they're not etched.

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January 20, 2015, 12:57:13 PM
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you would think the inside would be etched also and not left looking so scruffy

I don't think you can etch the inside edges with a laser, so that's probably why they're not etched.

that's actually what i was meaning, by hand you could get in there and have them looking much nicer. shame to see...
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Smoking gun, agreed.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.



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Things worth considering at this point:

Some forum members have paid well over ten thousand dollars for some of these pieces. Given that they purchased the pieces under the impression that they were hand-carved, this appears to be a clear-cut case of fraud.

As a non-American, I'm not quite sure, but does this count as a "felony"? (We don't classify crimes this way in Canada)

I wonder does WC have import permits for the exotic woods he uses?

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looking at this one closely for a couple of minutes, the design of the lions is just to damn symmetrical

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Symmetry is fine, I'd expect a carver to draw the outline with a pencil before beginning.

How about these impossibly fine details... I wonder what sort of chisels you'd use for those tiny serifs?!


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One last illustrative photo before we wait for WC's response (he's online now).


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One last illustrative photo before we wait for WC's response (he's online now).

Ouch Roll Eyes

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How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge using the laser not by a saw.
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Aw, Did we find another Buttcoiner?

Sure, i'll Humor you for a few minutes, then i am moving on with my day until you try and come up with some other reason why i am a scammer? is it, or a fraud?

Here we go.....



^This tool is called a gouge, it is used for making fingernail cuts like this if you need an example



^ This is another Gouge, this one is used for making deeper cuts and clearing out larger amounts of wood.



^This tool is called a Skew, i am sure you can use google to find out what it does.



^This is a large gouge



^This is a large Skew



^ This is a scraper. Can you guess what it does?



^This is a "set" of tools, Set means multiple tools belonging together. I can link the dictionary definition if you would like.



^ This is a carvers rotary tool, any idea what that does?



^ This is an engraving burr, that is how the "tiny serifs" are made  Kiss



^ These are wood SHAVINGS, notice they are larger than sawdust, this is what happens when you put a skew to a piece of wood and apply pressure



^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round.

Now, what else.......


Oh yeah,
Smoking gun, agreed.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.

Wait i thought i did these on a machine? doesnt that mean the corners would be absolutely perfect? Or could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round? Might make it harder to replicate that way you think? Wait dumb question, you hypothesize not think.

looking at this one closely for a couple of minutes, the design of the lions is just to damn symmetrical

Awww, thanks, one minute your telling me i am a fraud, then your telling me that its because my work has symmetry? Seems your reaching quite a bit here, be careful you might fall off that conspiracy ledge.

Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.

This. And because I am an actual artisan, and it upsets me to see people claiming to be artisans -- and charging artisan prices -- when they're amateurs producing sub-par work.

He's a great *artist* and *designer*, sure... as long as those designs are his. That's where his skill ends.

You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions.

What else before i go get some work done and leave you to conspire to yourself.

Oh yeah the loan. I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe so i could turn a few larger objects for the bitcoin community, I have more tools than i have room as is. She said that if i wanted a new lathe i could sell enough pieces to the community to buy it or wait until after january so we could write it off on the 2015 taxes. You missed the part where it was a $10,000 lathe and 2BTC was barley $1k at the time, It was duca's way of helping out.

Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more

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January 20, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
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could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?



You did this shit job on PURPOSE?

You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.

Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.

I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe

You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.

Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more

Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.

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i apologies, i know nothing about wood carving, be that by hand or machine. I just thought you would finish up the insides, it looks quite scruffy and unfinished, which i thought was a shame to see. The symmetry comment is again down to my complete lack of knowledge of wood carving, it's so good i could see it being machine done, kudos to you indeed if done by hand.
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could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?



You did this shit job on PURPOSE?

You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.

Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.

I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe

You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.

Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more

Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.

Nubbins, there is no personal attack, well, you attacking me without cause beyond your wild accusations. I really dont have time for you, i have met people like you before, i post pictures, "there too dark" i'll go make a video, then it will be the accusations that its photoshoped or something, i'll go do this, then you'll have that to say. I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before.

"Those who can, DO, and make good money for it, Those who cant, Start scam accusation threads so they feel important too."

When one of my clients, someone who is paying me, wants something, i will give them the proof the request. You, well, your just another detractor who is mad because you cannot do it yourself.


I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.

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could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round?



You did this shit job on PURPOSE?

You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing.

Well, I guess you know now. I suppose this will be the first of several personal attacks.

I bought $80k in new tools and machines last year, my wife was a little pissy when i said i was going to buy a new lathe

You make $10 million a year and your wife is pissed because you wanted to spend $10k on tools for your profession? Sounds legit.

Anyways, i have work to do, i may swing in later to play this dumb game with you some more

Waiting with bated breath. Hopefully next time you'll show us pictures of a work in process, not some brand-new tools laying around in a shop and an image of an "in-progress" piece so dark you can't tell if there's anything carved into it.

Nubbins, there is no personal attack, well, you attacking me without cause beyond your wild accusations. I really dont have time for you, i have met people like you before, i post pictures, "there too dark" i'll go make a video, then it will be the accusations that its photoshoped or something, i'll go do this, then you'll have that to say. I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before.

"Those who can, DO, and make good money for it, Those who cant, Start scam accusation threads so they feel important too."

When one of my clients, someone who is paying me, wants something, i will give them the proof the request. You, well, your just another detractor who is mad because you cannot do it yourself.


I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.

wow i really like to see a video of your work, but im no client of yours Smiley , hope this scam warning got settle down soon
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i apologies, i know nothing about wood carving, be that by hand or machine. I just thought you would finish up the insides, it looks quite scruffy and unfinished, which i thought was a shame to see. The symmetry comment is again down to my complete lack of knowledge of wood carving, it's so good i could see it being machine done, kudos to you indeed if done by hand.

No worries elasticband, i didnt take it personal. i know how quick the herd mentality starts and gets out of hand around here, by the end of the day i'll probably have a -200 trust rating and have heard every wild accusation there is to be hear.

"scruffy and unfinished" was kind of the look that i was going for. It's "growing"

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In fact, I started this scam accusation thread because I suspected you were scamming people. It's everyone's duty to out scams when they smell them. You're smoking your socks if you think this is because of jealousy.

Look again at the last picture I posted:


$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.

This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.

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In fact, I started this scam accusation thread because I suspected you were scamming people. It's everyone's duty to out scams when they smell them. You're smoking your socks if you think this is because of jealousy.

Look again at the last picture I posted:


$50 piece of wood, cut like shit on a jigsaw, laser engraved. Sold to a rube for $1,200 because he thought it was carved by hand.

This issue is settled for me. Others may wish to post evidence for either side if they so choose.

Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.

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Interesting challenge, looking forward to the response  Shocked

Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.

Knew nothing about wood laser engraving but have to admit the end results look very similar -



This is clearly done by a laser. I work on a furniture company for more than 10 years. And most of this carving is done by a laser it cannot be created using his tools because of the very fine details. The tools is used mainly for retouching after it was engrave by a laser. Notice the burnt marks on the lower left side and the zigzag like pattern on the edges, the zigzag like pattern on the edges occurs when the laser engraves very fast and the belt is not properly tighten or the machine is not properly cleaned.
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Oh yeah,
Smoking gun, agreed.
A real carver would have at least filed down those corners.
Wait i thought i did these on a machine? doesnt that mean the corners would be absolutely perfect? Or could it be that i INTENTIONALLY left them not true round? Might make it harder to replicate that way you think? Wait dumb question, you hypothesize not think.
Okay, I really want to understand this.
You start work on a piece of wood.
You know that you'll probably be sitting there for hours carving, chiseling, whatever the surface.
But you feel like sparing the 5 minutes it would take to create an at least acceptably smooth blank?

Seriously, I'd be more than happy to be wrong here, because I really like some of your work, but so far, I'm not convinced to the least.

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Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.

The history of Bitcoin is one of endless scams, misrepresentations, frauds, fly-by-night businesses, and all-around shadiness. It is the duty of us all to share our suspicions when they arise.

FWIW, "a rube" is a type of person. There is nobody named "rube" here (at least, I hope not).

Please note how WC completely avoided commenting on the embarrassingly poor cut job he did on that photo I shared. Or maybe it's actually a perfect BTC and I'm just seeing it as a piece of shit because I'm jealous, and I wish I had a laser too?

I really like some of your work

I like it too. Some of the rounds in particular look amazing.

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Isn't it the right of the buyer (rube) to give the scam accusation and/or negative trust rather than a bystander? I think it is, so I believe you should message rube and see if he would like to file negative trust instead of you.

The history of Bitcoin is one of endless scams, misrepresentations, frauds, fly-by-night businesses, and all-around shadiness. It is the duty of us all to share our suspicions when they arise.

FWIW, "a rube" is a type of person. There is nobody named "rube" here (at least, I hope not).

Please note how WC completely avoided commenting on the embarrassingly poor cut job he did on that photo I shared. Or maybe it's actually a perfect BTC and I'm just seeing it as a piece of shit because I'm jealous, and I wish I had a laser too?

I really like some of your work

I like it too. Some of the rounds in particular look amazing.

I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.

FYI: I would like to have a laser...

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I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.
Absolutely, a short video showing him create a tiny example of his work would make me remove my negative trust rating for him and even give him a positive one.

FYI: I would like to have a laser...
Me too Cool

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I would like to see a video of WoodCollector making a piece of his art... I would like you guys to believe that he is doing what he says he does.
Absolutely, a short video showing him create a tiny example of his work would make me remove my negative trust rating for him and even give him a positive one.

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If he shows a video of him carving fine-serif text like this, with hand tools, start to finish, I'll eat my hat. Heck, I'll commission a piece myself.


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Is this thread serious.....

When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
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I will be taking bets , who says that he will upload the video and who say's he wont.

Nah for serious I'm looking foward to see if this is really hand made something I doubt.

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Is this thread serious.....

When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....

Imperfect analogy. Do you link the maille by hand, or do you just load the design into a machine that links it for you?

Seriously, look at the white lines. Did he even draw the outline with a pencil before he started cutting, or did he freehand the whole thing?



If I cut a piece of wood that poorly, my dignity and self-respect would prevent me from showing it to people.

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I will be taking bets , who says that he will upload the video and who say's he wont.

Nah for serious I'm looking foward to see if this is really hand made something I doubt.

What is "hand made".  If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?  If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

Do you expect me to coil the metal by hand?  Is it no longer hand made because I used a drill to coil the metal?

What if I use a machine to open half the rings and close the other half is it not hand made now?
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If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, no.

If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, yes.
It's that easy, you do the carving part by hand, it's hand-carved. Duh! Roll Eyes

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I will be taking bets , who says that he will upload the video and who say's he wont.

Nah for serious I'm looking foward to see if this is really hand made something I doubt.

What is "hand made".  If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?  If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?

The problem is that he has gone out of his way to hide his use of a machine, while at the same time letting people think it's done completely by hand.

He exclusively uses the word "carve" to describe his process, as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868931.0;all

Here's a buyer saying "The hand-carved detail is astonishing": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg9777724#msg9777724

WC's response? "Thanks". Not "Oh, it was actually done with a laser, not carved."

The point is NOT how he makes the pieces, but how he represents them as being made.

If he was selling "beautiful hand-lacquered and polished laser-cut wooden bitcoin pieces", this thread would not exist.

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If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, no.

If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, yes.
It's that easy, you do the carving part by hand, it's hand-carved. Duh! Roll Eyes


Alright lets say it's hand made and mostly carved + machine for the fine details.  He has always delivered and great product now we are going to attack his reputation because he is exaggerating..  Sounds kind of like a bored soccer mom looking for someone to harass... :S

Technically he is not lying.. he did carve some by hand.  Some of it was made by hand thus it was hand made..
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WC's response? "Thanks". Not "Oh, it was actually done with a laser, not carved."
The point is NOT how he makes the pieces, but how he represents them as being made.
If he was selling "beautiful hand-lacquered and polished laser-cut wooden bitcoin pieces", this thread would not exist.
This sums it up nicely.

If he finds people who are willing to pay serious money for his laser-craft-work, no issue.
If he finds people who pay for hand-carved but receive laser-craft, it's scam.

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The hand-carved detail is "astonishing", but not as astonishing as the massive discrepancy in width between the two verticals.



Amazing that someone who can carve as well as a laser cutter is unable to use a saw properly.

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I would say that what he is doing is dishonest if he is lying about how he produces his art. I am fairly confident that his art would probably not be sold for as much or would sell as frequently.

I do however think there would still be a market for his work if he had previously disclosed how he makes his art. I have somewhat thought about buying a piece from him.

Does anyone have any kind of estimate as to the price difference between what he would generally be able to sell his work for if these facts were previously disclosed verses what he actually sold for?

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Guys, look i appreciate it, i really do, its really nice for you to stand up for me against this guy. But he is missing a little bit of information that people don't know unless they have commissioned a piece from me, and i am sure my clients will be jumping in to settle this down once they get online today. Any of my clients from here can tell you that i send them pictures along the way starting from the original sketch of the design concept (if they want to see it being done, a few wanted it to be a surprise), to carving progress, to applying the tung oil and linseed oil, to applying the finish coats of UV sealer and Spar right down to the finished product before it is posted on the forum, they know my art is authentic, as they paid for it.

Its really nice to see some of you standing to my defense, but some people will still continue to whip a dead mule long after it dies. Nubbins was not aware that my clients get this information as their piece is being created, as none of you really were unless you commissioned something, and soon once they get online this will come to rest and he will have to find some other argument to make, hopefully with someone else.

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I would say that what he is doing is dishonest if he is lying about how he produces his art.
Absolutely. Just imagine me digitally printing something on canvas, then smearing some transparent varnish over it and calling that a hand-painted picture.

I do however think there would still be a market for his work if he had previously disclosed how he makes his art. I have somewhat thought about buying a piece from him.
Sure, there's definitely a market for that. It's nice work, after all.

Does anyone have any kind of estimate as to the price difference between what he would generally be able to sell his work for if these facts were previously disclosed verses what he actually sold for?
Somewhere on the order of 2 magnitudes, i.e. 50$ instead of $5000.

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I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.
Well you should since it's your reputation under attack here which would be bad for business.  If this really is as common as you claim, and you were as legit as you would like to lead one shouldn't you have a site with some kind of portfolio hosted online?  I mean I've never been in the market for anything of the art type but your entire operation seems really too fly by night to be legitimate.




Its really nice to see some of you standing to my defense

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I would say that what he is doing is dishonest if he is lying about how he produces his art.
Absolutely. Just imagine me digitally printing something on canvas, then smearing some transparent varnish over it and calling that a hand-painted picture.

I do however think there would still be a market for his work if he had previously disclosed how he makes his art. I have somewhat thought about buying a piece from him.
Sure, there's definitely a market for that. It's nice work, after all.

Does anyone have any kind of estimate as to the price difference between what he would generally be able to sell his work for if these facts were previously disclosed verses what he actually sold for?
Somewhere on the order of 2 magnitudes, i.e. 50$ instead of $5000.

One piece sold for $14,000 -

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shouldn't you have a site with some kind of portfolio hosted online?

It's right here: https://www.sansleaf.com/

A sudden -5 to your trade rep and "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" hints at a little less support from the community than you lead on

In fairness, that -5 is completely due to my single negative trust rating. Default Trust is broken, kids, and this is one more reason why.

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Interesting challenge, looking forward to the response  Shocked

Why question something that is good?  Embarrassed

Because some people have paid up to $14,000 for the end results.

Knew nothing about wood laser engraving but have to admit the end results look very similar -



Are you serious ? 14k dollars , this is too expensive.
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shouldn't you have a site with some kind of portfolio hosted online?

It's right here: https://www.sansleaf.com/

A sudden -5 to your trade rep and "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" hints at a little less support from the community than you lead on

In fairness, that -5 is completely due to my single negative trust rating. Default Trust is broken, kids, and this is one more reason why.
My first post in a couple years and I show off what a noob I am  Roll Eyes

That sansleaf site is just a gallery, there should be a lot of different manufactures/brands there like but everywhere I look around the site is just blank or empty.  Like if you hoover brands on the tool bar it shows 5 spots saying 'YOU LOGO HERE", and the Women category is just completely blank.  Even when I click on sale there is nothing there.  It's like there is no actual content on this site but a mash of some foreign language and a generic template.
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Are you serious ? 14k dollars , this is too expensive.
90% of the cost was due to the cost of the wood. The rest was for the work hours he put on it. He could've just bought some shitty plywood but that was not what the buyer asked for.

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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

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Are you serious ? 14k dollars , this is too expensive.
90% of the cost was due to the cost of the wood. The rest was for the work hours he put on it. He could've just bought some shitty plywood but that was not what the buyer asked for.

If this is the same type of wood im not seeing anything near $14k -

https://www.gilmerwood.com/items.php?species=Pink+Ivory&CID=38

p.s. are you saying that at 90% the wood alone cost $12,600
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I am not wasting any more of my time on this, when one of my clients wants something, a picture or video or something, message me. Continuing to argue with this guy is an exercise in futility.
Well you should since it's your reputation under attack here which would be bad for business.  If this really is as common as you claim, and you were as legit as you would like to lead one shouldn't you have a site with some kind of portfolio hosted online?  I mean I've never been in the market for anything of the art type but your entire operation seems really too fly by night to be legitimate.




Its really nice to see some of you standing to my defense

A sudden -5 to your trade rep and "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" hints at a little less support from the community than you lead on

Efrah, My reputation isn't really under attack, its one guy leading a charge from the usual suspects. This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started.

further, as stated since day one, i do not use my brand on my bitcoin pieces. Thats not going to change just because someone wants to start getting mouthy here.

next, a quick -5 to my rating..... its been a few hours, all it takes is one negative rating from someone on the high default trust list and even the best ratings will fall. It only gets worse before it gets better, and the faults in the rating system have been discussed many times on the forum. I still have WAY more positive trust than negative on my feedback if you go transaction for transaction, a weighted trust system only gives power to people who have been here longer the right to tarnish other people because they want something fun to do for a day. 

and finally, "my reputation being under attack being bad for business". I think you misunderstand the reason i am here. I came to the bitcoin community after getting some free bitcoin and wanting to find a way to buy some wood with it. That is my business here, and these accusations do not affect that in the slightest bit, i have already sourced out a supply chain from forum members and saved tons of money in doing it this accusation has no impact on that. I am not here to run a business of selling art, i make things when people ask for them. Occasionally i make something when i have some free time, and list it for sale. If it all ended tomorrow it makes no difference to me as i still will continue buying wood for bitcoin for months to come. The only reason i even bothered to step in here with this crazy stuff that Nubbins wants to spout off with is because his actions could affect the art that my clients already hold and that is not fair to them. I've been here 3 months and done tens of thousands worth of sales of art, the fact that it took 3 months for someone to say something only shows me that the bulk of everyone already knows Nubbins is just running his mouth. This community is riddled with scams, and people are very quick to call them out when they happen, after 3 months i think someone would have said something by now if they really felt that way. Not to mention one of my best clients here is a Machinest by trade and would have known right away if his piece was done by a machine, CNC or laser or whatever the accusation of the minute is. Being a member of the community for much longer than i, and with a reputation for looking out for peoples best intrests, he would have said something right away if he thought something was fishy in the slightest bit.

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I will be taking bets , who says that he will upload the video and who say's he wont.

Nah for serious I'm looking foward to see if this is really hand made something I doubt.

What is "hand made".  If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?  If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?

The problem is that he has gone out of his way to hide his use of a machine, while at the same time letting people think it's done completely by hand.

He exclusively uses the word "carve" to describe his process, as you can see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868931.0;all

Here's a buyer saying "The hand-carved detail is astonishing": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg9777724#msg9777724

WC's response? "Thanks". Not "Oh, it was actually done with a laser, not carved."

The point is NOT how he makes the pieces, but how he represents them as being made.

If he was selling "beautiful hand-lacquered and polished laser-cut wooden bitcoin pieces", this thread would not exist.

I can see your point in why you doubt his claims. I have an epilog laser myself and his pieces look identically similar in nature and in detail as I've lasered many intricate wood pieces just for fun.

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WoodCollector should take bets on wether he does it by hand or by laser... Then bet on himself. Easy money if you get that video made Wink

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Stop with the spouts of how you're reputable and all and just post a video of you making these legendary engravings. Hell its a good marketing tool too as you'll prove more people wrong and prove those who might be wanting to buy but have slight doubts about how the art is made, into buying a piece from you.

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Are you serious ? 14k dollars , this is too expensive.
90% of the cost was due to the cost of the wood. The rest was for the work hours he put on it. He could've just bought some shitty plywood but that was not what the buyer asked for.

If this is the same type of wood im not seeing anything near $14k -

* https://www.gilmerwood.com/items.php?species=Pink+Ivory&CID=38

p.s. are you saying that at 90% the wood alone cost $12,600

I'm not a "wood expert" but the prices in that *site is too different than the 14'000 dollars. Maybe the idea of a short video is great .
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

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WoodCollector seems to be very vague and hasn't directly answered the question in the original accusation.

Are his pieces hand carved as he originally stated or are they done by laser.
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Are you serious ? 14k dollars , this is too expensive.
90% of the cost was due to the cost of the wood. The rest was for the work hours he put on it. He could've just bought some shitty plywood but that was not what the buyer asked for.

If this is the same type of wood im not seeing anything near $14k -

* https://www.gilmerwood.com/items.php?species=Pink+Ivory&CID=38

p.s. are you saying that at 90% the wood alone cost $12,600

I'm not a "wood expert" but the prices in that *site is too different than the 14'000 dollars. Maybe the idea of a short video is great .

I believe it's the rare watermellon variety of the Pink Ivory wood that makes if even more rare... WoodCollecotr would you like to reiterate on where you got the price of the wood?

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If he carves out everything and uses a machine for the fine details is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, no.

If a machine cuts out the rough shape and he does the rest is it not hand made then?
Hand-made, partially. Hand-carved, yes.
It's that easy, you do the carving part by hand, it's hand-carved. Duh! Roll Eyes


Alright lets say it's hand made and mostly carved + machine for the fine details.  He has always delivered and great product now we are going to attack his reputation because he is exaggerating..  Sounds kind of like a bored soccer mom looking for someone to harass... :S

Technically he is not lying.. he did carve some by hand.  Some of it was made by hand thus it was hand made..

Misrepresentation of it being hand-carved isn't being honest. I took his statement to mean he hand carved the entire wood piece and not just some of it. There is a big difference in those two statements.

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I made my way here via Reddit, where the news of this has spread.

WoodCollector, the easiest and fastest way to settle this for everybody is to take a few short minutes needed to set up a camera on a small tripod, and take a recording of a carving of any random fine detail from one of the pieces you produce, such as the small font that some have argued is impossible to get such perfection without a laser engraving. That way not only will you put the accusations to be, if they are in fact untrue, but you will also drum up your reputation and show off your skill. There are several issues with relying on clients to chime in:
-if none of them do, it doesn't necessarily mean you are in fact a fraud; it just means no clients have chimed in
-if several people chime in, we would still need to factually establish they were in fact clients
-there is an inherent psychological issue at play here; somebody that has been defrauded and suspects in doing so, may engage in denial and confirmation bias in order to supress their doubt and justify having spent hundreds of dollars

This isn't so much a discussion over the quality of the piece, but rather how it is marketed and what expectations were set as to what people are actually buying. It seems to me that what needs to be disclosed is whether or not any laser etching/engraving/whatever is involved at all.

I am just a sideliner here offering suggestions.
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I made my way here via Reddit, where the news of this has spread.

WoodCollector, the easiest and fastest way to settle this for everybody is to take a few short minutes needed to set up a camera on a small tripod, and take a recording of a carving of any random fine detail from one of the pieces you produce, such as the small font that some have argued is impossible to get such perfection without a laser engraving. That way not only will you put the accusations to be, if they are in fact untrue, but you will also drum up your reputation and show off your skill. There are several issues with relying on clients to chime in:
-if none of them do, it doesn't necessarily mean you are in fact a fraud; it just means no clients have chimed in
-if several people chime in, we would still need to factually establish they were in fact clients
-there is an inherent psychological issue at play here; somebody that has been defrauded and suspects in doing so, may engage in denial and confirmation bias in order to supress their doubt and justify having spent hundreds of dollars

I am just a sideliner here offering suggestions.

Carve a fancy ass interrobang with some internal designs... Prove these people wrong.

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I would say that what he is doing is dishonest if he is lying about how he produces his art. I am fairly confident that his art would probably not be sold for as much or would sell as frequently.

I do however think there would still be a market for his work if he had previously disclosed how he makes his art. I have somewhat thought about buying a piece from him.

Does anyone have any kind of estimate as to the price difference between what he would generally be able to sell his work for if these facts were previously disclosed verses what he actually sold for?

If it were laser-engraved it would sell for far less.

Hand-carved pieces are one off and essentially custom pieces as they will be one of a kind.

Laser engraving is easy as all you need is the design and the same size piece of wood...press the start button on the laser and you're done.

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I made my way here via Reddit, where the news of this has spread.

WoodCollector, the easiest and fastest way to settle this for everybody is to take a few short minutes needed to set up a camera on a small tripod, and take a recording of a carving of any random fine detail from one of the pieces you produce, such as the small font that some have argued is impossible to get such perfection without a laser engraving. That way not only will you put the accusations to be, if they are in fact untrue, but you will also drum up your reputation and show off your skill. There are several issues with relying on clients to chime in:
-if none of them do, it doesn't necessarily mean you are in fact a fraud; it just means no clients have chimed in
-if several people chime in, we would still need to factually establish they were in fact clients
-there is an inherent psychological issue at play here; somebody that has been defrauded and suspects in doing so, may engage in denial and confirmation bias in order to supress their doubt and justify having spent hundreds of dollars

I am just a sideliner here offering suggestions.

Carve a fancy ass interrobang with some internal designs... Prove these people wrong.

LOL, Sounds fun, if i do it and make a video of if will you buy it? Tell me what your budget is and i will do it and make a video of it for you.

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I am pretty sure I commissioned the first piece from Woodcollector, and I am 100% happy with it. We never discussed how it would be made or anything, but I do not care either way. He did send me some pictures of it being made along the way so I will try and dig them up. Always a witch hunt here on the boards  Roll Eyes
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I made my way here via Reddit, where the news of this has spread.

WoodCollector, the easiest and fastest way to settle this for everybody is to take a few short minutes needed to set up a camera on a small tripod, and take a recording of a carving of any random fine detail from one of the pieces you produce, such as the small font that some have argued is impossible to get such perfection without a laser engraving. That way not only will you put the accusations to be, if they are in fact untrue, but you will also drum up your reputation and show off your skill. There are several issues with relying on clients to chime in:
-if none of them do, it doesn't necessarily mean you are in fact a fraud; it just means no clients have chimed in
-if several people chime in, we would still need to factually establish they were in fact clients
-there is an inherent psychological issue at play here; somebody that has been defrauded and suspects in doing so, may engage in denial and confirmation bias in order to supress their doubt and justify having spent hundreds of dollars

I am just a sideliner here offering suggestions.

Carve a fancy ass interrobang with some internal designs... Prove these people wrong.

LOL, Sounds fun, if i do it and make a video of if will you buy it? Tell me what your budget is and i will do it and make a video of it for you.

I don't have a lot of money on me right now but I'll see if I can gather some funds up... How does $150 sound? Lol that's most likely the most I could get right now without breaking my investments.

It probably wouldn't be the nicest work you've made considering the price but it's something? :p

If anyone wants to pitch in, I'll let you look at it Wink lol

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I am pretty sure I commissioned the first piece from Woodcollector,  and I am 100% happy with it. We never discussed how it would be made or anything, but I do not care either way. He did send me some pictures of it being made along the way so I will try and dig them up. Always a witch hunt here on the boards  Roll Eyes

Thanks blazed, i really appreciate it and am happy that you are still pleased with your piece. You were for sure my first client here and i never would have expected it when i only came here to buy wood.

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You could of course wait for me to get more money which would be an indefinite amount of time lol...

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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).


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I am pretty sure I commissioned the first piece from Woodcollector,  and I am 100% happy with it. We never discussed how it would be made or anything, but I do not care either way. He did send me some pictures of it being made along the way so I will try and dig them up. Always a witch hunt here on the boards  Roll Eyes

I'm not sure if I would call it a witch hunt. Asking for someone to prove their legitimacy isn't necessarily a witch hunt. In fact it is attempting to get the facts.

Witch hunts start with shooting then asking questions later. Perhaps nubbins making this thread was too soon but it is so far asking for the right information (i.e. video etc) to disprove any suspicions of the wood pieces not being hand-carved.


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A detailed clear video would show everyone you're the true artist that you claim to be.


Yet, for some vague reason i don't think there will be one...

Why does somebody have to purchase something from you before you're willing to show that person you're a legit skilled artist? Wouldn't it be better to show everyone, so they start buying your works?

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A detailed clear video would show everyone you're the true artist that you claim to be.


Yet, for some vague reason i don't think there will be one...

Why does somebody have to purchase something from you before you're willing to show that person you're a legit skilled artist? Wouldn't it be better to show everyone, so they start buying your works?

There should be multiple videos of his work. At least one of which he claims exists. I am curious to see from start to finish of him hand-carving the entire piece and not just some of it.

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January 20, 2015, 05:01:11 PM
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.

2: once the piece is done and the video is posted, you will send me a shipping address, even if its a drop address and write a full review of the piece including a public recantation of your accusations.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.

The only reason i am agreeing to this for you is because previously when you had concerns you had the decency to contact me directly, ask your questions, and i assumed they were answered to satisfaction as you never said anything after. You had the respect and maturity to contact me directly before starting a public smearing campaign, and i do not believe that Nubbins should go up-punished for being so un-professional.

If you agree, please reply by quoting this post and including in the words "I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS"   So i can reference it in the event i jump through these insane hoops and you do not hold up to your end of the deal.

ROFLMFAO - The bullshit faggot dictators (A.K.A The Mods) banned this account. May you all rot in cryptocurrency hell.
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January 20, 2015, 05:14:56 PM
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.

2: once the piece is done and the video is posted, you will send me a shipping address, even if its a drop address and write a full review of the piece including a public recantation of your accusations.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.

The only reason i am agreeing to this for you is because previously when you had concerns you had the decency to contact me directly, ask your questions, and i assumed they were answered to satisfaction as you never said anything after. You had the respect and maturity to contact me directly before starting a public smearing campaign, and i do not believe that Nubbins should go up-punished for being so un-professional.

If you agree, please reply by quoting this post and including in the words "I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS"   So i can reference it in the event i jump through these insane hoops and you do not hold up to your end of the deal.


such a bold move i love it

the one thing to ensure the reputation here is video + review from the person who accuse

Great move Smiley

i hope you carve a great masterpiece for smoothie
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January 20, 2015, 05:17:17 PM
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Guys (and especially OP),

Honestly I would'nt have a problem with people suspecting something. Its not wrong to do that. However, what is wrong is that the title of this post is called: SCAM WARMING.
How do you know its a scam? Did you buy any piece from him? Are you a wood artist? Its very easy to point fingers and choose sides but it would be better to stay neutral. I'm sure if you asked a normal question about your doubts, there would be no problem at all.

I have paid and witnessed myself how he created my piece "Resolute":
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927942

Along the way, I have witnessed all sketches and progress done. This is something I personally asked. If you order a piece, you can also choose the "surprise" route, in which he just crafts a beautifull piece and sends it to you without making progression pictures along the way. This guy is 100% legit. If he was not, I would not throw a 1000 EU against it.  

Now if anyone feels cool enough to have further questions. Don't hesistate to PM me. However, this is a piece of art and it should stay that way. I am not going to ask progression pictures of the Mona Lisa either. It's not something art should be about.
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January 20, 2015, 05:25:13 PM
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Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.
How does this thread affect your ability to get to work?
Seriously though, if you really need to take a break from it, just don't go online for a few days.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.
Now that's what I call uncalled for.
Nubbins is trying to warn others, he's not after you.
There's no reason whatsoever for Smoothie to leave negative trust for him.

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January 20, 2015, 05:25:41 PM
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.

2: once the piece is done and the video is posted, you will send me a shipping address, even if its a drop address and write a full review of the piece including a public recantation of your accusations.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.

The only reason i am agreeing to this for you is because previously when you had concerns you had the decency to contact me directly, ask your questions, and i assumed they were answered to satisfaction as you never said anything after. You had the respect and maturity to contact me directly before starting a public smearing campaign, and i do not believe that Nubbins should go up-punished for being so un-professional.

If you agree, please reply by quoting this post and including in the words "I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS"   So i can reference it in the event i jump through these insane hoops and you do not hold up to your end of the deal.

I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS.

Will PM you what I want done. Thank you!
Are you smoothie? Were you posting from the wrong account?

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January 20, 2015, 05:26:16 PM
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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.

2: once the piece is done and the video is posted, you will send me a shipping address, even if its a drop address and write a full review of the piece including a public recantation of your accusations.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.

The only reason i am agreeing to this for you is because previously when you had concerns you had the decency to contact me directly, ask your questions, and i assumed they were answered to satisfaction as you never said anything after. You had the respect and maturity to contact me directly before starting a public smearing campaign, and i do not believe that Nubbins should go up-punished for being so un-professional.

If you agree, please reply by quoting this post and including in the words "I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS"   So i can reference it in the event i jump through these insane hoops and you do not hold up to your end of the deal.

I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS.

Will PM you what I want done. Thank you!

How dense are you? He specifically made the offer to Smoothie, not you.
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January 20, 2015, 05:35:28 PM
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I commissioned 3 pieces and witnessed on all 3 of them the process of being made!!!
All 3 were drawn before and on all 3 were made changes by my request.
WoodCollector is such a nice person and takes a lot of time for his clients.
AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique.

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January 20, 2015, 05:45:43 PM
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Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.
How does this thread affect your ability to get to work?
Seriously though, if you really need to take a break from it, just don't go online for a few days.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.
Now that's what I call uncalled for.
Nubbins is trying to warn others, he's not after you.
There's no reason whatsoever for Smoothie to leave negative trust for him.

There is 10,000% a reason to leave negative trust for him permanently for poor conduct on the forum. As you can see by clicking here Every single one of my clients who requested knows beyond any shadow of a doubt their pieces are 100% legit as i provide them with everything along the way. He was just the first of my clients, Besides blazedout who already chimed in to log in today to set the record straight.

If nubbins would have conducted himself in a professional manner, Contacted me with his questions, hell maybe eve a request for a small piece out of non exotic wood and a video of me carving it to settle his curiousit, i would have provided him with every bit of everything that all my clients already know and have.

Instead he wants to lead a public smear campaign, start a "scam warning" thread when he has nothing to "warn" as his "proofs" are nothing more than self drawn conclusions that he is trying to market to the public to get them to believe. Further he wants to use his default trust status to smear my trust rating as a result of his ill drawn conclusions like they are fact.

He deserves a million times to be scorned for acting in such a rude, unprofessional manner, it is antics like his that cause good people to leave the community when they are the ones providing the true blessings to this place.

Those are my terms, they are agreed to by smoothie or not. If he agrees, then i do it for him, He does not, then i have 0 care in the world as EVERY SINGLE ONE of my clients who requested has been given every bit of proof along the way they wanted and as they log in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM will tell you the same thing. If i have to jump through hoops on account of someone being reckless and unprofessional, then that person needs to suffer as well. If Nubbins wants to remove his trust rating, be done with and remove this smear campaign thread, and message me like a grown man in a professional manner LIKE HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE, then i can directly put his mind at ease and provide him with what he wants. If not, then here we stand, Smoothie agrees to my terms, or i go on not caring. I came here to buy wood, not to argue with irrational people. This smear campaign is more annoying than it is damaging, every one of my clients knows better, and anyone who wants to commission a piece in the future, if i even continue to do pieces for this community in the future after i finish the ones that are already paid for can talk to my clients from here, and request the same step by step pics that all my other clients got.


SMOOTHIE, THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT!, and only because you were very professional when you contacted me last time with your concerns and i have respect for that.

ROFLMFAO - The bullshit faggot dictators (A.K.A The Mods) banned this account. May you all rot in cryptocurrency hell.
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January 20, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
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There is 10,000% a reason to leave negative trust for him permanently for poor conduct on the forum.
I beg to differ. His doubts are reasonable and voiced in the "correct" way here in "Scam Accusations".

If nubbins would have conducted himself in a professional manner, Contacted me with his questions, hell maybe eve a request for a small piece out of non exotic wood and a video of me carving it to settle his curiousit, i would have provided him with every bit of everything that all my clients already know and have.
Well, then where's your reason not to settle this right now, right here, once and for all?

He deserves a million times to be scorned for acting in such a rude, unprofessional manner, it is antics like his that cause good people to leave the community when they are the ones providing the true blessings to this place.
It is people like him who have detected scams on this forum in the past and warned others about it, over and over again.

Those are my terms, they are agreed to by smoothie or not.
Sure, but should Smoothie agree, I might leave negative trust for him as well.
Surrender to blackmail is something I would consider a breach of trust.
So, if you care about Smoothie, drop that request for negative feedback towards nubbins.

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January 20, 2015, 05:59:52 PM
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I don't give a shit if this guy is legit or not because I would never buy an overpriced piece of wood in the first place, but I do know that when you are legit it is really easy to show people that.  If it was me being accused instead of replying to every troll that leaves their oppinion I would simply show them proof of my legitimacy.

I keep laughing about how Bill Cosby gets accused of rape and his response is basically "Would a innocent man need to defend himself?" -- very crypto
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January 20, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
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I have no dog in this fight and no knowledge of wood carving whatsoever.  I thought these pieces were beautiful.  What makes me suspicious of them being hand crafted is the speed they were being produced.

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January 20, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
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LOL, Sounds fun, if i do it and make a video of if will you buy it? Tell me what your budget is and i will do it and make a video of it for you.
Using a financial barrier as leverage to shift the burden of proof does not send the right message here. What you're saying is "pay me money so I can prove to the community I am not misrepresenting my work".

You're still receiving orders for work, correct? You could just use an order at random. I was not suggesting you go out of your way for this.

I was suggesting that when you are going to work on your next ordered piece, just set up a camera and take a short video of one of the intricate carvings that you were accused of having misrepresented how the work is being done. I have no dog in this fight and I am not making any sort of accusations, I was merely suggesting a very effective way to put this to bed, forever.
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January 20, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

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January 20, 2015, 06:09:45 PM
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.


EDIT: or is it that you missed the part where my clients have already publicly told you that your claims are false as they, as paying clients, have seen the proof already? Do you really want to keep whipping a dead horse? i have no problem putting this to bed, either once smoothie agrees to my terms, our you realize you made a mistake and fix it. I am a reasonable man, are you?

ROFLMFAO - The bullshit faggot dictators (A.K.A The Mods) banned this account. May you all rot in cryptocurrency hell.
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January 20, 2015, 06:10:40 PM
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There is 10,000% a reason to leave negative trust for him permanently for poor conduct on the forum.
I beg to differ. His doubts are reasonable and voiced in the "correct" way here in "Scam Accusations".

If nubbins would have conducted himself in a professional manner, Contacted me with his questions, hell maybe eve a request for a small piece out of non exotic wood and a video of me carving it to settle his curiousit, i would have provided him with every bit of everything that all my clients already know and have.
Well, then where's your reason not to settle this right now, right here, once and for all?

He deserves a million times to be scorned for acting in such a rude, unprofessional manner, it is antics like his that cause good people to leave the community when they are the ones providing the true blessings to this place.
It is people like him who have detected scams on this forum in the past and warned others about it, over and over again.

It is not people like him. Hes doubting, so therefore he should not conclude anything. The title is misleading and not helping in any way. A better title would be: "Im wondering if WoodCollector is a geniune handscrafter".
It is people like Nubbins fucking up this community.

Again, I have bought my Resolute piece from WoodCollector and i can tell that he is legit. He even wanted to do Golden in-lay. I saw all progress being made. Now if you idiots would stop this nonsense we can truly live in a better world.
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January 20, 2015, 06:11:33 PM
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If Smoothie doesn't want to agree to such terms I will do it, I think your work is absolutely beautiful. You can use the cheapest wood or whatever, they still look amazing and I'd def want one.

As others said though, 3 pages of this was not useful and useless IMO, should just get that video going man.

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January 20, 2015, 06:13:33 PM
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

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Again, I have bought my Resolute piece from WoodCollector and i can tell that he is legit. He even wanted to do Golden in-lay. I saw all progress being made. Now if you idiots would stop this nonsense we can truly live in a better world.
Hey deliveryman! I know that WoodCollector mentioned what kind of progress updates he provides, can you clarify for the community what you received? Can you also mention what, specifically, was provided to show that the intricate carving was all done by hand? I am struggling to come up with another way that you could show a skeptic that the work was actually done by hand, short of a video. People will always come up with ways to discredit anything else, but I think a video would be indisputable. What are your thoughts?
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I must say, this thread was an interesting read. WoodCollector I would recommend for you to just prove yourself once and for all (if you are indeed legitimate).


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January 20, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

No you are wrong , I think he is in the defaultTrust... his negative feedback against WoodCollector appears in the "Trusted feedback".
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January 20, 2015, 06:20:46 PM
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.


EDIT: or is it that you missed the part where my clients have already publicly told you that your claims are false as they, as paying clients, have seen the proof already? Do you really want to keep whipping a dead horse? i have no problem putting this to bed, either once smoothie agrees to my terms, our you realize you made a mistake and fix it. I am a reasonable man, are you?

Did you miss the part where all anyone is asking for is a little bit of proof that you are capable of producing the detail and accuracy you claim to be able to?  It would be as simple as carving "nubbins is a fool" into a piece of wood.

I never heard about your carving before today, but I have spent a lot of time cutting wood with an epiologe laser cutter.  I don't think any of the evidence so far is conclusive but your responses show that you find it unnecessary or difficult to produce proof.  Then you talk about nubbin's unprofessionalism?  He is just a person accusing you of being dishonest, you are supposed to be the professional, not him.
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You could have made a video in the time you spent here flapping your gums about how proof isn't necessary and trying to get people promise to neg-rate me.

Nothing to see here but a scammer grasping at straws. Shame, because his laser etchings are really quite nice. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the video.

PROTIP FOR FORUM ENTREPRENEURS: this is a den of scams and your feet WILL be held to the flames if you smell funny. Don't try to misrepresent yourself and your business dealings!

Yes, because wood carving is so easy that everyone can just whip out a masterpiece in an hour. Some of my clients have been waiting over a month to get something done. Nubbins, your going to lose on this one, and as soon as smoothie accepts my terms, you are going to have egg on your face. Not I. You could have handled yourself in a more professional manner.

Nubbins isn't even in DefaultTrust. The only person that matters is bigbitz, who left you negative trust and is in DefaultTrust. People can say whatever they like about anyone here, Vod is constantly accused of being a child molester without evidence by some pissed off scammer, you can't stop people saying stuff, let him say whatever he wants it only matters if people actually listen.

No you are wrong , I think he is in the defaultTrust... his negative feedback against WoodCollector appears in the "Trusted feedback".

My apologies, I forgot I have a custom list. Well he's not trusted on my fixed trust list anyway Smiley

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Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.


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Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

Ignore lists and custom trust lists are a god send. Everybody should use them, makes the forum so much better.

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Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.
This is precisely why I interjected, in an attempt to offer the simplest solution I could think of to this whole thing, before we find ourselves on page sixty in this thread with nothing productive having come out of it.
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Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.
This is precisely why I interjected, in an attempt to offer the simplest solution I could think of to this whole thing, before we find ourselves on page sixty in this thread with nothing productive having come out of it.

It should be pretty clear that the only productive outcome of this discussion would be the accused providing evidence of their abilities.  If that cannot occur then the thread will just be entertainment.
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Regardless of how this turns out, this thread is sad. This forum has AIDS and its own immune system is eating it alive. Mobs are great fun, when you are holding a torch. Everyone is so thirsty for retribution no one is interested in facts. Soon it will be your turn.

agree, sad thing in the trust system is to be trustedm you must earn trust, which sometimes turns out to be a witch hunt , turns out to be "accusing someone wrong to make myself looks good" system
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TECSHARE has it right, this thread sucks. I also think several of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

Go back and read this post right here, where I first stumbled across the guy's work. I complimented it, as I did at the start of this thread.

I then expressed confusion about his pricing structure, to which he replied right here that he actually charges $3k/hr, but $18/hr is the special price for us. Imagine a $3k/hour artisan saying "fuck it, I'll do it for $18/hour, and just try a LOT LESS HARD".

This was obviously taking the piss (Special price on a hand-tailored suit, sir? Just for you...). Obviously. If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself.

At this point, I suspected that if the guy was going to be so blatantly full of shit about how much money he makes, he's probably bullshitting about how much his wood costs, how long his pieces take to make, everything. A cursory examination of the circumstantial evidence (loans for tools, brand-new account but familiar with BFL, making drug paraphernalia on his lathe, etc) combined with the fact that his designs REALLY ARE ACTUALLY QUITE NICE (seriously) but the shapes he cuts out are ACTUALLY EMBARRASSINGLY POOR  (for a "master artisan"), combined with the fact that several laser engravers have chimed in to say that they believe the pieces are laser engraved, combined with the fact that the only surfaces not etched are the flat inner and outer edges that can't be lasered, lead me to the most obvious conclusion: that he's in fact a mediocre woodworker and a decent graphic designer, pretending that his laser-cut designs (literally the exact same as pressing "print" in photoshop) are somehow hand-carved.

Any master craftsman would have a portfolio of high-end work to show potential clients. Any craftsman who has been working for more than a few years is a fucking idiot if they don't have a portfolio of their high-end work, including process pictures. My threads are littered with them. But the best this guy can produce is this:



THE FUCKING WOOD CHIPS ARE NOT EVEN THE SAME COLOUR AS THE BLANK.

Christ, you people. I'm done.

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Does anyone disagree that the preponderance of evidence presented so far points to the intricate designs being laser cut?
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TECSHARE has it right, this thread sucks. I also think several of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

Go back and read this post right here, where I first stumbled across the guy's work. I complimented it, as I did at the start of this thread.

I then expressed confusion about his pricing structure, to which he replied right here that he actually charges $3k/hr, but $18/hr is the special price for us. Imagine a $3k/hour artisan saying "fuck it, I'll do it for $18/hour, and just try a LOT LESS HARD".

This was obviously taking the piss (Special price on a hand-tailored suit, sir? Just for you...). Obviously. If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself.

At this point, I suspected that if the guy was going to be so blatantly full of shit about how much money he makes, he's probably bullshitting about how much his wood costs, how long his pieces take to make, everything. A cursory examination of the circumstantial evidence (loans for tools, brand-new account but familiar with BFL, making drug paraphernalia on his lathe, etc) combined with the fact that his designs REALLY ARE ACTUALLY QUITE NICE (seriously) but the shapes he cuts out are ACTUALLY EMBARRASSINGLY POOR  (for a "master artisan"), lead me to the most obvious conclusion: that he's in fact a mediocre woodworker and a decent graphic designer, pretending that his laser-cut designs (literally the exact same as pressing "print" in photoshop) are somehow hand-carved.

Any master craftsman would have a portfolio of high-end work to show potential clients. Any craftsman who has been working for more than a few years is a fucking idiot if they don't have a portfolio of their high-end work, including process pictures. My threads are littered with them. But the best this guy can produce is this:

I very much do have a portfolio of several high end works, and no amount of your idiocy is going to get me to devalue the works from my gallery by publicly admitting i do pieces for a tenth of the cost for bitcoin users.

Instead,

Not only does the forum members who are truly concerned get their video proof, i am going to turn you into an example of what happens when people try to plague this forum with harsh, unfounded claims to tarnish peoples reputation over a witch hunt with nothing more than speculation backing it up. Even the people who have commissioned my art have told you that your wrong in the worst kind of way and you still want to carry on. Your not here to protect anyone, you have made it clear your on a smear campaign. So its time i do some marketing, and campaiging of my own because i FIRMLY believe that this community is better than you.

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For anyone who missed it, all the video, photo evidence you will need to draw your conclusions can be found HERE over the coming weeks, the first video should be up within a day or so.



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January 20, 2015, 07:16:10 PM

It's never nice when your life's work and integrity is put into question but lashing back so defensively doesn't really help either.

A simple video would clear everything up, put OP in his place, and make your business stronger than before.

Interested in seeing proof for this latest forum drama  Grin Grin *popcorn*
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January 20, 2015, 07:34:31 PM

It's never nice when your life's work and integrity is put into question but lashing back so defensively doesn't really help either.

A simple video would clear everything up, put OP in his place, and make your business stronger than before.

Interested in seeing proof for this latest forum drama  Grin Grin *popcorn*

Normally yes, but even after being told by my clients that what i said is true, even after going on a picture taking expedition to satisfy his crap he still wants to defend his accusations. this is not a man who wants answers or the facts/truth, he has already been given both by myself and the people who actually buy the things i sell. No, he has made it clear that he just wants to have some fun and go on a smear campaign. So... Challenge accepted. Its not defensive. Its offensive for every other forum member out there who has suffered similar situations. When simple truths and facts are not enough to end the witch hunt. YOU HAVE TO HANG THE HUNTERS or they are going to keep at it until they run you off.

BTW there is no such thing as a simple video when it comes to wood carving. Do you really think by reading through his posts in this thread that if i would have went to the shop, carved a really small letter S or Q or whatever in a piece of wood to show it can be done and that i can do it that he would have stopped? After it was the text that was impossible, it would have been the micro fine lines that i do with a dental pick, after that it would be something else.

he asked for pictures, i gave pictures, he says "they look too new", i show a work in progress, he says "the shavings are not the same color" this really shows me how clueless he is as anybody who works with wood knows that  when you work with wood, it gets lighter, thats why people use things like tung oil or boiled linseed oil to put the color back in the wood. Hell even the people buying the wood told him "i have seen it, he is 100% legit" and he still carries on. No, No, this is the type of situation 100% where you hang the hunter. That is the only way he is going to stop. THEN and only then can things carry on as normal. Not sure if i will still do art pieces here in the future or not after all of this, but i am still here, and still going to be buying wood like a mad man.

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I just wanted to point out that the clients that spoke up, did so by saying they are satisfied with the quality of your work and that they were presented with progress of work, but none have clarified what that was. As far as I understand it, the allegation in this thread is that the very fine details on the wood work are not hand made, but laser cut. Therefore, in this case the customer feedback isn't relevant to the topic. The photos of tools don't count as evidence because they only demonstrate that you own them, not how/if you use them.
So there is disagreement over evidence here, not that someone is hell bent with an agenda. Personally I think your pieces look great and I prefer imperfections, because that gives them character. No two pieces will be exactly alike.
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I just wanted to point out that the clients that spoke up, did so by saying they are satisfied with the quality of your work and that they were presented with progress of work, but none have clarified what that was. As far as I understand it, the allegation in this thread is that the very fine details on the wood work are not hand made, but laser cut. Therefore, in this case the customer feedback isn't relevant to the topic. The photos of tools don't count as evidence because they only demonstrate that you own them, not how/if you use them.
So there is disagreement over evidence here, not that someone is hell bent with an agenda. Personally I think your pieces look great and I prefer imperfections, because that gives them character. No two pieces will be exactly alike.

Sorry, your right, glad IronMarvel cleared it up then.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254

There, now a client and soon clients will be telling it like it is. Still going to make some videos though, Maybe if Nubbins trust rating gets murdered enough he will leave mine alone.

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That's a five-day-old account.

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Wow this certainly blew up...and to think...I came this close to buying a dildo from this guy  Grin

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January 20, 2015, 07:50:15 PM

I just wanted to point out that the clients that spoke up, did so by saying they are satisfied with the quality of your work and that they were presented with progress of work, but none have clarified what that was. As far as I understand it, the allegation in this thread is that the very fine details on the wood work are not hand made, but laser cut. Therefore, in this case the customer feedback isn't relevant to the topic. The photos of tools don't count as evidence because they only demonstrate that you own them, not how/if you use them.
So there is disagreement over evidence here, not that someone is hell bent with an agenda. Personally I think your pieces look great and I prefer imperfections, because that gives them character. No two pieces will be exactly alike.

Sorry, your right, glad IronMarvel cleared it up then.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254

There, now a client and soon clients will be telling it like it is. Still going to make some videos though, Maybe if Nubbins trust rating gets murdered enough he will leave mine alone.

What part of "customer feedback isn't relevant to the topic" do you not understand?  Stop responding until you have some proof otherwise you are just wasting your time.
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January 20, 2015, 08:04:48 PM

Here's another master carver, with what is essentially a large Butterfly Labs dildo.



As you can see, both this gentleman and his peer, WoodCarver, are in possession of the same approximate level of skill.

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January 20, 2015, 08:13:33 PM

That's a five-day-old account.

omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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January 20, 2015, 08:23:58 PM

That's a five-day-old account.

omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

From that thread:



Weird, bitspill is a Hero Member too.

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January 20, 2015, 08:45:31 PM

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omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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Weird, bitspill is a Hero Member too.
You're an idiot is showing strongly here. A guy hacked Ironmarvel's account and messaged everyone he wanted to scam (the hacker did) and went on a trolling rampage. Ironmarvel still has no access to his account despite messaging Theymos.

Me, Bitspill and many were messaged by the scammer / hacker...

I'm a lover not a hater. I'm a scam buster misunderstood. However, this forum is full of haters which is why you see my trust. They can't handle my success so they try to stop me...BUT NO ONE STOPS MY SUCCESS! ....Find Quickseller annoying? Click the "ignore" button below his name! You're welcome!
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January 20, 2015, 08:45:47 PM

That's a five-day-old account.
omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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[ some fake pm from the guy who hacked IronMarvel's account ]
Just to set this straight, I can confirm with a high level of certainty that IronMarvel2 is the real IronMarvel.

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omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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Weird, bitspill is a Hero Member too.

For real man??
I started a thread calling out that I was hacked about 30 min after it happend. I posted on every loan thread, that the hacker started, not to trust this guy, not to give him a loan... and now you suggest that I try to scam people.
Very poor move dude....

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omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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Weird, bitspill is a Hero Member too.

For real man??
I started a thread calling out that I was hacked about 30 min after it happend. I posted on every loan thread, that the hacker started, not to trust this guy, not to give him a loan... and now you suggest that I try to scam people.
Very poor move dude....

he is on a quest to start as many smear campaigns today as he can, you'll have your own thread from him soon too. no point in trying to use logic and reason with nubbins. hes just going to keep pissing in the wind until he hits something to redeem himself

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omg... just invest some time before writing something stupid...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=924237.0

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Weird, bitspill is a Hero Member too.

This reflects very poorly on your judgment skills if you actually believe that is a message from the real IronMarvel.
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I don't give a red fuck about catching up on the history of every user who posts here, so don't act so shocked.

"Just invest some time." Eat shit. I'm supposed to say "hm, this account is 5 days old; I'd better scour this user's history for explanations as to why this is so"?

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http://youtu.be/q8uhBrqeD-A

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I don't give a red fuck about catching up on the history of every user who posts here, so don't act so shocked.

"Just invest some time." Eat shit. I'm supposed to say "hm, this account is 5 days old; I'd better scour this user's history for explanations as to why this is so"?

Wait, you mean your suppose to do some due diligence and look into things before you start spouting off at the mouth and making accusations? Oh no, never, not nubbins. Heaven forbid that we take some time to look into anything or act in a professional manner before we start throwing our weight around. This morning you were just a thorn in my side. Tonight, i really look forward to this, 2 new orders today from people who didnt even know i was here until you started this nonsense (thanks for the marketing BTW), and now an opportunity to do a few videos over the week to put you in your place. In the end, i really hope this was all worth it for you  Roll Eyes




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Sorry, you completely misunderstand. What I am saying is that I have no interest in verifying the veracity of claims from a 5-day-old account. I do not care whether some stranger's original account was hacked or not -- why would I?

If I put "due diligence" into all of the five-day-old accounts on this forum, I would literally have a full-time job on my hand. It's simply not feasible. Thus, the onus of proof is on the 5-day-old account, and a rational person would recognize this. Which I did. Do you understand what I'm saying?

So obtuse, what a total waste of time. Looking forward to the video, I'm sure it'll be a beautiful piece.

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Sorry, you completely misunderstand. What I am saying is that I have no interest in verifying the veracity of claims from a 5-day-old account. I do not care whether some stranger's original account was hacked or not -- why would I?

If I put "due diligence" into all of the five-day-old accounts on this forum, I would literally have a full-time job on my hand. It's simply not feasible. Thus, the onus of proof is on the 5-day-old account, and a rational person would recognize this. Which I did. Do you understand what I'm saying?

So obtuse, what a total waste of time. Looking forward to the video, I'm sure it'll be a beautiful piece.

Nubbins...Seriously, you are beyond stupid and I hope that this thread achieves one thing for Woodcollector - marketing and new orders. The community is full of scams and frauds, when a genuine person comes here looking to spend tens of thousands of dollars on wood and then in doing so finds a market for his beautiful art work, he gets accused of being a scammer.

You titled this thread 'SCAM WARNING' - What evidence do you have of this, i mean solid hard evidence. If you wanted to question him , why not start a thread saying 'Is Woodcutter using a laser' and put it in the goods section and have some discussion - as Smoothie did a few months back. Instead by labelling him a scammer, with no thread you do this why - to tarnish his reputation?

Having commissioned two pieces from Woodcollector and worked with him for a few months, I have found him to be a very sincere and honest guy. He even surprised me and did a gold inlay in the back of my Unity coin that I had not requested.


Every step of the way he kept me updated.  You sir nubbins, are about to be made to look like a fool and to leave negative trust is just appalling behaviour. This should have been bought up as a q+a discussion thread not a 'SCAM SCAM SCAM' thread.

Its people like you who make good people leave these forums.


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I found some evidence  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKLl3ETby5xG3FQ6vWDjSa_JA1FPh6M1qNQt4nFgye75PKCeE3

same lion thats on his "carving"

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You're telling us that he didn't do a picture of a lion straight from memory!?!?
 What a hussler!

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<stuff>



Get the fuck out of here. That's obviously fucking lasered, you fucking sock.

You're telling us that he didn't do a picture of a lion straight from memory!?!?
 What a hussler!

He did the BTC from memory  Grin

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http://gfx9.com/angry-lion-graphics-vector-free/163321

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I would tend to agree with woodcollector. Nubbins does seem to be the competition of woodcollector so a smear campaign would be financially beneficial to Nubbins. From what I have seen, woodcollector does have a lot of business comming to his direction and I have not heard any complaints about his work which would likely happen if anything was awray as his customers are spending a lot of money on his work
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Get the fuck out of here. That's obviously fucking lasered, you fucking sock.

You're telling us that he didn't do a picture of a lion straight from memory!?!?
 What a hussler!

He did the BTC from memory  Grin

Seriously you are a fucking retard. Sock lol. Don't make me laugh. Wow so my account started in December, that means I must be a sock puppet Roll Eyes

I have commissioned and paid for 2 pieces by Woodcollector - do you need to see the transaction ID's? I wonder what you will be saying once he posts the videos? No doubt you will call his videos fake.
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Sorry, you completely misunderstand. What I am saying is that I have no interest in verifying the veracity of claims from a 5-day-old account. I do not care whether some stranger's original account was hacked or not -- why would I?

If I put "due diligence" into all of the five-day-old accounts on this forum, I would literally have a full-time job on my hand. It's simply not feasible. Thus, the onus of proof is on the 5-day-old account, and a rational person would recognize this. Which I did. Do you understand what I'm saying?

So obtuse, what a total waste of time. Looking forward to the video, I'm sure it'll be a beautiful piece.

Nubbins...Seriously, you are beyond stupid and I hope that this thread achieves one thing for Woodcollector - marketing and new orders. The community is full of scams and frauds, when a genuine person comes here looking to spend tens of thousands of dollars on wood and then in doing so finds a market for his beautiful art work, he gets accused of being a scammer.

You titled this thread 'SCAM WARNING' - What evidence do you have of this, i mean solid hard evidence. If you wanted to question him , why not start a thread saying 'Is Woodcutter using a laser' and put it in the goods section and have some discussion - as Smoothie did a few months back. Instead by labelling him a scammer, with no thread you do this why - to tarnish his reputation?

Having commissioned two pieces from Woodcollector and worked with him for a few months, I have found him to be a very sincere and honest guy. He even surprised me and did a gold inlay in the back of my Unity coin that I had not requested.


Every step of the way he kept me updated.  You sir nubbins, are about to be made to look like a fool and to leave negative trust is just appalling behaviour. This should have been bought up as a q+a discussion thread not a 'SCAM SCAM SCAM' thread.

Its people like you who make good people leave these forums.




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dude that's really cool! It looks like Turkish Flag, I loved it!
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Amazing. I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about it. NO doubt, case closed. What amazes me is not that he is using a laser etcher, but that he is denying it, especially at this point. I do have to say that the overall level of craftsmanship in the pieces I have seen pictures here is not impressive (wonky ass BTC cutouts, etc.), but the laser work is super cool. Should have been honest with your customers.

You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:



WHY? Why is it necessary to lie to people?
That is actually only a rhetorical question, because the prices WC is getting for "hand carved" pieces is why- duh. The stuff WC is making is cool, but what ever happened to being honest? Guess we can add WoodCollecter's name to the long list of BTC scammers. What a shame. Greed. It is a sickness. Instead of making great money making neato laser engraved items he has to play people for fucking fools and say that he is carving that shit by hand so he can charge Uber Craftsman prices. Disgusted.

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Even if WoodCollector is legitimate, I won't be doing business with him simply due to his unprofessional response to all of this. I also find it hard to believe someone who makes $10,000,000 a year to be this unprofessional.
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My two cents:

1) As a general rule, a scammer will shift the focus away from himself and/or attack his detractors.  This usually happens unconsciously.

2) As a general rule, a non-scammer will be cooperative and do what is necessary to prove his innocence.

These rules are general, not universal.  Make your own judgment.  I've made mine.

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When I make my chainmaille jewellery is it not hand made because I didn't mine, smelt and coil the metal myself....
Nobody expects him to go out into the woods and cut down trees.
But hand-carved is definitely not the same as "I used my hands to fire up the laser".

That last part gave me a chuckle.

I asked these similar questions a few months back when he first started posting.

When I got to the point that his work looked very similar to laser engraving the discussion quickly got pushed off to Skype or email which I never got around to.

@wood collector, take a camera and video tape an entire piece you have done at the same caliber of your previous pieces. Then fast forward it in a time lapse to show you actually did it with your hands.

To me your work does look laser engraved and not hand carved. Honest opinion.

Smoothie like i said, your entitled to your opinion and i never held it against you, I have messaged one of my clients and asked if he minds if i share a video of his piece being carved. i don't imagine he will have a problem with it, but you know as well as i do that is not going to stop the downward spiral here. It really dosnt stop until Nubbins gets tired of me and moves on to someone else. We see it all the time on this forum.

Assuming this piece is at the same caliber of detail of your other products you've posted and the video does prove you only used your hands to carve the piece (hand tools I presume) then I will support you on this.

Until then I have my doubts as I've expressed months ago when no one else had their doubts.

I will publicly apologize if my opinion of your work turns out to be wrong.

If you know anything about me on this forum is to do the exact same thing nubbins is doing...calling out what the believe is a scam until you are proven wrong. I see nothing wrong with what nubbins has done. If you have proof to make him look like a fool (i.e. wrong) in his assumptions then you should have no problem posting such evidence (i.e. the video).

Smoothie, I 100% agree to this and will do a video of a piece specifically for you, free of charge pending a few conditions are met.

1: all this nonsense ends until i have a chance to get the video posted in a few days, i cant do anything if i have to sit behind this computer and keep arguing with kids.

2: once the piece is done and the video is posted, you will send me a shipping address, even if its a drop address and write a full review of the piece including a public recantation of your accusations.

3: You leave negative feedback on Nubbins trust rating PERMANENTLY for jumping to conclusions and making accusations without even bothering to contact me to see if i can prove what i claim before setting out on his public smearing campaign.

The only reason i am agreeing to this for you is because previously when you had concerns you had the decency to contact me directly, ask your questions, and i assumed they were answered to satisfaction as you never said anything after. You had the respect and maturity to contact me directly before starting a public smearing campaign, and i do not believe that Nubbins should go up-punished for being so un-professional.

If you agree, please reply by quoting this post and including in the words "I AGREE TO YOUR TERMS"   So i can reference it in the event i jump through these insane hoops and you do not hold up to your end of the deal.


Just saw this and been away today as it's a busy day for me...

Let me address your offer here point by point:

1. Agreed. I think there is a lot of discussion going on that could be squelched with you posting a video of hand making one of your products that have intricate details like we have all seen you post.

2. Agreed. I was not expecting this type of thing but if you do want me to review your product I will do my best to give a neutral and unbiased review of your work (assuming there is an accompanying video of your hand crafting of the product).

3. I DO NOT AGREE TO THIS. Essentially this is not about nubbins and more about you and you silencing your critics. If you choose not to create a product for me I will not be offended. In fact I was surprised at your offer. This does give you a chance to silence every critic of your work and make your business image that much stronger by doing so. You have upside to gain should you prove opposing parties wrong. The most productive aspect of this is not for me to leave him negative feedback as I do not believe he has done anything that warrants negative feedback. But I do disagree with his approach in creating the thread and not talking with you directly to get all of his facts before posting.

I do not believe that leaving negative feedback due to a thread like this is warranted as nubbins could retract his thread in the future (edit it and choose to publicly admit he was wrong should you prove him wrong.)

As I said if you prove me wrong in my own opinions of your work, I will publicly apologize and concede I was wrong and if you do end up sending me one of your pieces of hand-carved work I will review it for all to see.

Essentially as I said before this is not about nubbins and about say silencing me and making me in fact support you in your worksmanship should you be able to convince me that your products are in fact "hand-carved" pieces and not just partially hand-carved pieces.

There are no hard feelings here for me. I do want the truth to be out in the open and I believe you have been and are being given the opportunity to prove us all wrong who may doubt you.

Aloha,

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Amazing. I happen to be a woodworker of 40+ years myself (yes, I really am that old) and I contacted WoodCollecter just a couple days ago to see if he was interested in buying some Ironwood, although I never looked at his work. Now i see this and my mind is completely boggled. I did not read every post here, but I can affirm the opinion of a few I saw that have said that the intricate carving in question is done with a laser. I am 100% sure about it. NO doubt, case closed. What amazes me is not that he is using a laser etcher, but that he is denying it, especially at this point. I do have to say that the overall level of craftsmanship in the pieces I have seen pictures here is not impressive (wonky ass BTC cutouts, etc.), but the laser work is super cool. Should have been honest with your customers.

You can clearly see the line by line marks left on this piece that are definitely, without a doubt, with 100% certainty left by a laser engraver exactly the same as a printer does:



WHY? Why is it necessary to lie to people?
That is actually only a rhetorical question, because the prices WC is getting for "hand carved" pieces is why- duh. The stuff WC is making is cool, but what ever happened to being honest? Guess we can add WoodCollecter's name to the long list of BTC scammers. What a shame. Greed. It is a sickness. Instead of making great money making neato laser engraved items he has to play people for fucking fools and say that he is carving that shit by hand so he can charge Uber Craftsman prices. Disgusted.


Although I am actually lelling out loud here, maybe you're one of my socks Cool

Anyway, I uh, look:



Two-tone images (solid black and white, vector) are precisely and exclusively the sort of file that lasers would use to etch wood. If nothing else, the fact that he'd use a stock b&w vector image without even bothering to take 15 minutes to modify it a bit, rather than taking, say, an actual photograph of a roaring lion in a pose he likes, and creating an original drawing from that, speaks to his intentions. Quick bucks.

Everyone here who had the audacity to say unkind things to me in any thread relating to this matter should be ashamed of themselves.

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Enough guys. 12 hours of this stupid shit is about all this old man can handle for a lifetime.

To Nubbins, i got nothing for you. dealing with you is exhausting. You win. whatever. feel big, you took the crown in the dick measuring contest. We have all seen what an ass you can be. Feel proud !

To my clients, i will still be making some carving videos, you want them, you know where to find me Smiley I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking

To paul revere, wow, 40 years as a woodworker and you turned into a tool yourself. Especially in AZ, take a trip up to Lake Havasu, Drive the McCullogh BLVD. Loop. Stop in a few of the galleries take a very close look at some of the carvings, then reply back that they were done with a laser or CNC to prove how little you really do know.

To future clients, sorry for letting this get so out of hand, i am done with the public smearing campaign as of now. You want some videos, send me a message in a few days. It comes with a condition though, once you watch them, Nubins gets his negative feedback as he deserves.

I'm out, i have clients to worry about and this crap has now taken an entire work day away from me where 0 work was done on their pieces. . They are the ones who deserve the videos, they are the ones who deserve the pictures, they are the ones who have the right to ask the questions.

<--- This guy is done with the kid crap, you guys know how to get in touch if you want some videos or have some questions, i'd be happy to provide them to ANYONE who wants to act in a professional manner.

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120 hours carving a piece of clip art.

Just so we're clear here, the jig is up, WoodCutter is a fraud, eat shit. Another one in the pile. People like you are the fucking cancers of this place.

Quoted for posteriors:

Enough guys. 12 hours of this stupid shit is about all this old man can handle for a lifetime.

To Nubbins, i got nothing for you. dealing with you is exhausting. You win. whatever. feel big, you took the crown in the dick measuring contest. We have all seen what an ass you can be. Feel proud !

To my clients, i will still be making some carving videos, you want them, you know where to find me Smiley I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking

To paul revere, wow, 40 years as a woodworker and you turned into a tool yourself. Especially in AZ, take a trip up to Lake Havasu, Drive the McCullogh BLVD. Loop. Stop in a few of the galleries take a very close look at some of the carvings, then reply back that they were done with a laser or CNC to prove how little you really do know.

To future clients, sorry for letting this get so out of hand, i am done with the public smearing campaign as of now. You want some videos, send me a message in a few days. It comes with a condition though, once you watch them, Nubins gets his negative feedback as he deserves.

I'm out, i have clients to worry about and this crap has now taken an entire work day away from me where 0 work was done on their pieces. . They are the ones who deserve the videos, they are the ones who deserve the pictures, they are the ones who have the right to ask the questions.

<--- This guy is done with the kid crap, you guys know how to get in touch if you want some videos or have some questions, i'd be happy to provide them to ANYONE who wants to act in a professional manner.

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Enough guys. 12 hours of this stupid shit is about all this old man can handle for a lifetime.

To Nubbins, i got nothing for you. dealing with you is exhausting. You win. whatever. feel big, you took the crown in the dick measuring contest. We have all seen what an ass you can be. Feel proud !

To my clients, i will still be making some carving videos, you want them, you know where to find me Smiley I can and will still prove to you that Nubbins is full of shit and on a smear campaign, i am now just choosing to do so directly with the people who matter, not every tom dick and harry that thinks they know a darn thing about woodworking

To paul revere, wow, 40 years as a woodworker and you turned into a tool yourself. Especially in AZ, take a trip up to Lake Havasu, Drive the McCullogh BLVD. Loop. Stop in a few of the galleries take a very close look at some of the carvings, then reply back that they were done with a laser or CNC to prove how little you really do know.

To future clients, sorry for letting this get so out of hand, i am done with the public smearing campaign as of now. You want some videos, send me a message in a few days. It comes with a condition though, once you watch them, Nubins gets his negative feedback as he deserves.

I'm out, i have clients to worry about and this crap has now taken an entire work day away from me where 0 work was done on their pieces. . They are the ones who deserve the videos, they are the ones who deserve the pictures, they are the ones who have the right to ask the questions.

<--- This guy is done with the kid crap, you guys know how to get in touch if you want some videos or have some questions, i'd be happy to provide them to ANYONE who wants to act in a professional manner.

I have responded to your offer. Please see above. Thanks.

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It comes with a condition though, once you watch them, Nubins gets his negative feedback as he deserves.

I have responded to your offer. Please see above. Thanks.

 Smiley

So he'll show anyone the videos of him doing the real thing, as long as they neg-rate me. And he's also gone, because he's tired of all the questions. Is that about it? Maybe he shouldn't have sold his last wooden dildo, he's going home empty-handed... at least he can hit the wood bong when he gets home from school!

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Tries to bribe me one more time via PM on the way out:

i can edit my posts and you can edit yours, we can discuss your exact concerns, and hell, instead of making a F#$k Nubbins piece to showcase my rage towards how this was handled, i may even discuss with you something small that you would like to put in your home and make the video of me carving that for you instead. You will find, when not under attack i am a quite reasonable person. 

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3. I DO NOT AGREE TO THIS. Essentially this is not about nubbins and more about you and you silencing your critics. If you choose not to create a product for me I will not be offended. In fact I was surprised at your offer. This does give you a chance to silence every critic of your work and make your business image that much stronger by doing so. You have upside to gain should you prove opposing parties wrong. The most productive aspect of this is not for me to leave him negative feedback as I do not believe he has done anything that warrants negative feedback. But I do disagree with his approach in creating the thread and not talking with you directly to get all of his facts before posting.
I don't think this would destroy nubbins reputation. While I do agree with your logic that negative trust would not be appropriate in this case, if nubbins were to agree then I don't see the harm. All it would really do is cause more proof to be given by nubbins in the future when he wants to call out scams (assuming he is wrong in this case).

I do somewhat suspect that this offer was made in a way that he knew it would probably not be accepted (meaning it was a bluff). If both yourself and nubbins were to agree to this clause then maybe his bluff can be called
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I don't think this would destroy nubbins reputation.

Of course it wouldn't. WC's negative rating of me is currently doing more damage to his reputation than my negative rating of him is.

TECSHARE has it right, this thread sucks. I also think several of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

I think most of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

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To paul revere, wow, 40 years as a woodworker and you turned into a tool yourself. Especially in AZ, take a trip up to Lake Havasu, Drive the McCullogh BLVD. Loop. Stop in a few of the galleries take a very close look at some of the carvings, then reply back that they were done with a laser or CNC to prove how little you really do know.

You, sir, are a total and absolute fucking joke and a sorry excuse for a human being and also a pretty pathetic wood worker, except for the neat laser engraving. Question: Why would I go to the fucking dumpy ass trailer park called Lake Havasu when I am currently living in Carefree and 10 minutes from Scottsdale? Think there might be some actual real hoity-toity galleries here moron? I am just amazed that you have turned out to be a total shitbag and insist on keeping up this charade after you have been called out instead of coming clean. Disgusted.

People tend to get butthurt when their $14,000 per item scam is disrupted by the truth.
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Tip of the hat to Nubbins. I love the way this place polices itself!

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Is it just me or does that Butterfly labs piece on the 1st page look like a dildo?  Cheesy

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Is it just me or does that Butterfly labs piece on the 1st page look like a dildo?  Cheesy

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I had a good chuckle at those who think that woodcollector's work is NOT done with a laser. The exact vectors of the lions and side elements used are available all over online, for free. The details speak for themselves.

Anyways, for what it's worth, I've dealt with Nubbins on IRC and he was nothing but professional and reliable. This isn't the reason I am posting here, but I feel it's fair to point out.
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I don't think this would destroy nubbins reputation.

Of course it wouldn't. WC's negative rating of me is currently doing more damage to his reputation than my negative rating of him is.

TECSHARE has it right, this thread sucks. I also think several of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

I think most of you do not understand what a trust system is and how it works.

No, I understand how the trust system is suppose to work. If you scam, are trying to scam  then you should receive negative trust in order to warn others who will potentially want to trade with you in the future. What you are doing by opening this thread has nothing to do with you scamming, unprofessional, yes somewhat, but scamming no.

My point is that there is a good chance that woodcollector is bluffing. He could have made that offer knowing that negative trust would not be appropriate and that smoothie would probably not agree to such a clause. His offer allows him to offer to make a video without having to actually make one.

If you end up being wrong about woodcollector then if you agree to receive negative trust from smoothie if you are proven to be wrong then your reputation is intact. If you call his bluff and you are right then you have the opportunity to prove him to be a fraud  
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Bought several pieces from him totaling roughly $50,000. Each and every piece was unique. Zero issues dealing with WoodCollector. A laser? Not something he uses. I drove to him on one of my last meetups and personally seen a large amount of his equipment. If I were an artist like him, I would not dump $100k+ into equipment and use a laser instead. Not sure what is going on here but just wanted to throw in my two cents.

The issue is not whether you have had issues with making deals with WC, or whether or not he has $100k worth of equipment, or whether you spent a ridiculous amount of money for supposedly hand carved pieces. The issue is whether or not he is using a $10 chisel to do intricate handcarvings for which he is charging exorbitant amounts. The answer to that question is : NO, he is not hand carving that shit. 

P.S: The equipment I saw in the few pics posted was not anywhere near 100k worth of machinery. All I see is a cheap ass Chinese lathe (Grizzly? Harbor Freight?) and a fucking dremel. Somewhere is the Pice de rsistance and source of his "craftsmanship", a laser engraver. Gauging by the striations left by the unit when cutting away open relief areas I bet even that is a piece of shit ~25 watt unit worth maybe $1,000.

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Well that was totally unexpected that WC would chicken out...
Smartest thing to do in his situation, better keep doubt for a few that you can potentially scam in the future than admit to being a fraud publicly...

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Well that was totally unexpected that WC would chicken out...
Smartest thing to do in his situation, better keep doubt for a few that you can potentially scam in the future than admit to being a fraud publicly...
If you read the post he made in the reputation section he will be posting videos within the next day or two.

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I have no horse in this race and am not qualified to make any determination about how a piece of wood art was or was not created.
That having been said, if the accusations here are true some people have been severely injured financially by WC.  If I were on that list, I would be reaching out to the others who have made purchases from him and start comparing notes....ship from address, etc.  If it becomes necessary to locate him for potential legal action, etc.

I must admit I am shocked to see some of the amounts people have spent for his work, regardless of how it was created.  I mean, you don't know this guy from a fucking hole in the wall and you buy 50k worth of his 'art' because he says that's what it should cost?  The idea of this person earning millions of dollars a year doing this as his 'day job' are absurd.

I would imagine someone in the market for a five figure piece of art would do some research and find out if the guy is known producer in that field, etc. but hey that's me and I don't have 100's of BTC to spend on shit like this...lol

What's super fucked up about this is if you bought something for $10,000 and it turns out it's only worth $8000 meh, not the end of the world, but based on the accusations being made here I'd be surprised if you could resell these 10k+ pieces for anything more than a few hundred dollars at most and that sux for the people that bought it.

Without a contract I'm not even sure what legal recourse you would have.  I'm pretty sure forum posts would not be admissible as evidence in a civil lawsuit to prove that the guy misrepresented himself and is a thief.

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Update: I scrolled through WoodCollecters posts and found this:



It is a Grizzly lathe. Piece of shit $600 unit. Nailed it the first guess from the little pic on the first page of this thread. ( I actually DO know about this stuff) Brand new even. Even the turning tools all look nice and new and pretty. Looks like he has figured out how to turn a weird looking bong and a couple flat discs to laser burn on thus far.

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I will be back here to attempt to get access to video(s) of his hand carving of the same caliber detail of his products already posted on this forum.

Of course without that stipulation that I am required to leave negative feedback for nubbins.

I will give credit where credit is due and be completely neutral on the topic.

I have no skin in the game but I will not be forced to leave negative feedback where I believe it is not warranted.

Time will tell.

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Update: I scrolled through WoodCollecters posts and found this:



It is a Grizzly lathe. Piece of shit $600 unit. Nailed it the first guess from the little pic on the first page of this thread. ( I actually DO know about this stuff) Brand new even. Even the turning tools all look nice and new and pretty. Looks like he has figured out how to turn a weird looking bong and a couple flat discs to laser burn on thus far.


Would using something like this still be considered "hand-carved"? Honest question.  Huh

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Well that was totally unexpected that WC would chicken out...
Smartest thing to do in his situation, better keep doubt for a few that you can potentially scam in the future than admit to being a fraud publicly...
If you read the post he made in the reputation section he will be posting videos within the next day or two.

Also keeping track of that topic, i'd be very surprised if something serious would pop up there, who knows...

I haven't done any wood carving myself, but i have worked with lasers on different materials, what i've seen so far i would definitely say resembles laser art.

Well let's see what he comes up with, since he announced he'd only show to "important people", i doubt anything will be posted in public.

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As a matter of fact now that I think about it for more than three consecutive seconds the entire direction of this thread is the wrong approach.  If this guy is an artist of the caliper he claims to be how fucking hard could it be to verify him?  Does he sign his work?  I don't know any artist who doesn't!  How many people could there be creating high end pieces like this?

It should take about five minutes to vet this guy and see if he is for real or not.  To hell with pictures and videos he may or may not post.

Does he have a web site?  A gallery?  You get the idea.



ummmmm......THAT looks familiar

https://cryptothrift.com/auctions/collectable-art/94243/

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As a matter of fact now that I think about it for more than three consecutive seconds the entire direction of this thread is the wrong approach.  If this guy is an artist of the caliper he claims to be how fucking hard could it be to verify him?  Does he sign his work?  I don't know any artist who doesn't!  How many people could there be creating high end pieces like this?

It should take about five minutes to vet this guy and see if he is for real or not.  To hell with pictures and videos he may or may not post.

Does he have a web site?  A gallery?  You get the idea.

Apparently you have to go to the "artists mecca" of Lake Havasu City to get a glimpse of his fine work. The "gallery" is probably in the third trailer on the left hand side of the street. The one with lots of crappy whirlygigs in the front lawn.  Cheesy

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Update: I scrolled through WoodCollecters posts and found this:



It is a Grizzly lathe. Piece of shit $600 unit. Nailed it the first guess from the little pic on the first page of this thread. ( I actually DO know about this stuff) Brand new even. Even the turning tools all look nice and new and pretty. Looks like he has figured out how to turn a weird looking bong and a couple flat discs to laser burn on thus far.


Would using something like this still be considered "hand-carved"? Honest question.  Huh

I would think so. i sure as heck could not make something that nice or that precision on a lathe, when you look at it closely and see how perfect the grooves are and the way that the rings on the barrel are perfect and flow directly with the grain, my grandpa is a wood tuner and after 40 or so years of experiance was seriously impressed by that piece.
Not that my 2 cents worth here are really worth anything i had my day with the trolls many many months ago which left my reputation tarnished here on the forum but about a month ago when i accidentaly let slip a secret about coin number 10 in his collection that i was not suppose to know he offered to pay me 1000 dollars in bitcoin to remove my post to protect his clients and within minutes of doin so i had 1k usd worth of bitcoin in my waller. since i had some money at the time a week later i aksed to have an art piece made and had to beg and plead with him to let me pay with  a credit card it wasnt until a few days later when i looked at the paypal invoice that i realised who he realy is and a quick 30 second search on google confirmed he is famous for his wokrs in almost every country in the planet. reguardles of what a dumb troll wants to make acusations of, i for one am honored to have woodcollecter here on the forum and glad he found his way to bitcoin we should all be thankful for his presence not trying to string him up because 1 dumb idiot decided to be a pin in the ass after woodcollecter has already been here for months because it benifits nubbinz to tarnish wc's reputation to increase his own sales.

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Would your Granpa be impressed with this precision dildo?
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P.S: If your granpa thinks this dildo is quality lathework he does not know what the fuck he is talking about. This looks like it was made by your average 9th grader in woodshop. It is a complete joke.

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This thread is downright hilarious.  Enough so, I finally decided I should get a Bitcointalk forum account.

Anyone that's done any laser engraving would instantaneously recognize these things as etched.  Like nubbins stated, they're beautiful pieces, and I'm sure worth a fair amount, but the creator is misrepresenting the process in which he used to make them.   I have an 80 watt CO2 laser cutter/engraving machine. I've done quite a bit of etching/engraving with it, and its instantly apparent they're etched.    Now, that being said, they're actually etched pretty well. The laser is clearly well focused, and the depth is very consistent.  WoodCollector should have just sold the pieces advertised as such.

I shared this thread with a bunch of friends of mine that do a considerable amount of laser CNC work, and they all had a hilarious time watching people defend his work. The only "proof" I've seen so far are lathe tools (which you'd never use to do any actual wood carving) and a shitty lathe.   With all the talk about updating his clients with pictures of the work in progress, it should be really easy to shut anyone up that says otherwise.  

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Update: I scrolled through WoodCollecters posts and found this:



It is a Grizzly lathe. Piece of shit $600 unit. Nailed it the first guess from the little pic on the first page of this thread. ( I actually DO know about this stuff) Brand new even. Even the turning tools all look nice and new and pretty. Looks like he has figured out how to turn a weird looking bong and a couple flat discs to laser burn on thus far.


Would using something like this still be considered "hand-carved"? Honest question.  Huh



There is no artistic skill what so ever in gouging out rings on turning wood.  I do the same thing with brass on a 400 dollar lathe from harbor freight. I make mini cannons and thunder mugs that look like shot gun shells, all by eye... This is not considered "Hand Carved"


This is considered HAND CARVED
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Update: I scrolled through WoodCollecters posts and found this:



It is a Grizzly lathe. Piece of shit $600 unit. Nailed it the first guess from the little pic on the first page of this thread. ( I actually DO know about this stuff) Brand new even. Even the turning tools all look nice and new and pretty. Looks like he has figured out how to turn a weird looking bong and a couple flat discs to laser burn on thus far.


Would using something like this still be considered "hand-carved"? Honest question.  Huh

I would think so. i sure as heck could not make something that nice or that precision on a lathe, when you look at it closely and see how perfect the grooves are and the way that the rings on the barrel are perfect and flow directly with the grain, my grandpa is a wood tuner and after 40 or so years of experiance was seriously impressed by that piece.
Not that my 2 cents worth here are really worth anything i had my day with the trolls many many months ago which left my reputation tarnished here on the forum but about a month ago when i accidentaly let slip a secret about coin number 10 in his collection that i was not suppose to know he offered to pay me 1000 dollars in bitcoin to remove my post to protect his clients and within minutes of doin so i had 1k usd worth of bitcoin in my waller. since i had some money at the time a week later i aksed to have an art piece made and had to beg and plead with him to let me pay with  a credit card it wasnt until a few days later when i looked at the paypal invoice that i realised who he realy is and a quick 30 second search on google confirmed he is famous for his wokrs in almost every country in the planet. reguardles of what a dumb troll wants to make acusations of, i for one am honored to have woodcollecter here on the forum and glad he found his way to bitcoin we should all be thankful for his presence not trying to string him up because 1 dumb idiot decided to be a pin in the ass after woodcollecter has already been here for months because it benifits nubbinz to tarnish wc's reputation to increase his own sales.

Well then who is he?  That's probably why he is so huffy, he's not trying to protect this identity(WoodCollector) he's trying to protect his real identity so his rep isn't tarnished from scamming people out of bitcoin.  That's epic.
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I would like to know if the people that purchased items believed they were buying a one off piece because clearly he has more than one of the big BTC logo  one for sale.  How the fuck could they look THAT alike if a machine isn't making them?


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Well that was totally unexpected that WC would chicken out...
Smartest thing to do in his situation, better keep doubt for a few that you can potentially scam in the future than admit to being a fraud publicly...
If you read the post he made in the reputation section he will be posting videos within the next day or two.

Also keeping track of that topic, i'd be very surprised if something serious would pop up there, who knows...

I haven't done any wood carving myself, but i have worked with lasers on different materials, what i've seen so far i would definitely say resembles laser art.

Well let's see what he comes up with, since he announced he'd only show to "important people", i doubt anything will be posted in public.

If he chooses not to post it publicly I would then question why.

There should be nothing to hide here presuming his claims are true.

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