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Crypto & Torrents: The Perfect Match?


vTorrent Guides

* The official vTorrent information page is here
* Where to get the latest vTorrent client here
* What interest do you get from staking? 5% by default, but it's subject to keeping your wallet staking. See here

* Video - How to set-up config file to sync with other users here
* Video - How to set-up 2FA within the wallet here
* Video - How to unlock wallet for staking only here
* Video - How to use simple chat feature within wallet here
* Video - How to use API to link wallet to Bittrex exchange to buy/sell VTR from your own wallet here

* Client won't sync to the network, no connections? Wallets newer than 0.8.1.1 should not have this problem as a network crawler is included. Anyone with problems, see adding seeds and crawler instructions here

* Open or closed source? Parts of the client, the 2FA security feature ONLY, is closed source until the project is more established and then it will all be open sourced. Confirmation details are here

* Are BitTorrent files free or paid for? It will be up to users to decide if they want to charge for seeding. If charging for seeding, it will be done by charging for bandwidth or cost per mb. See here and here

* Are transaction anonymous? Yes, if you want them to be. The client can use a similar type of encryption to Monero

Code:
{
suggestRingSize()
449    if (fDebugRingSig)
450        LogPrintf("sendCoinsAnon()\n");


* Does vTorrent support mobile? Yes. But that feature is not yet released. See details here


Code:
# Mobile devices
15 android:ios{
16    CONFIG += mobility
17    MOBILITY =
18 }
19


* Is TOR or I2P supported? The clients seem to have the code to support both TOR and I2P if you know what you are doing

Code:
enum Network
{
    NET_UNROUTABLE = 0,
    NET_IPV4,
    NET_IPV6,
    NET_TOR,
    NET_I2P,
    
    NET_MAX,
};

* Does the wallet support HD back-up? Yes.

BIP-0032: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki
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This document describes hierarchical determinstic wallets (or "HD Wallets"): wallets which can be shared partially or entirely with different systems, each with or without the ability to spend coins.

BIP-0039: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki
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This BIP describes the implementation of a mnemonic code or mnemonic sentence -- a group of easy to remember words -- for the generation of deterministic wallets.

BIP-0044: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki
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This BIP defines a logical hierarchy for deterministic wallets based on an algorithm described in BIP-0032 (BIP32 from now on) and purpose scheme described in BIP-0043 (BIP43 from now on).

* Will torrents be stored on the blockchain? Not sure yet. It is likely that the client will have its own version of BitTorrent running, so you may not need to store magnet links or torrent file links on the blockchain. Instead, you may interact with BitTorrent functionality built in, using an internal token that gets interchanged with vTorrent currency



* Is vTorrent illegal software? No. vTorrent is a dual use software tool. For example, BitTorrent is legal because you can use it for legal purposes. If people choose to use it for illegal purposes, then they are breaking the law. Please report them to the local authorities. You can read about the most famous dual use case law which makes software like vTorrent legal here and here

* Does the client support anonymous social networking? Yes. That is a planned feature. Riot is like a slack channel. It currently runs on the Matrix network and servers, but vTorrent is planning to implement Riot and run it on the vTorrent network. The alternative is to use a simple iFrame to load a Riot chat channel into the client. See here


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* Will vTorrent support classified listings and or a market? That is an open feature request



A few projects are attempting to combine Crypto with Torrents. I will be keeping track of them and updating this thread. Help and views welcome.

JoyStream http://www.joystream.co/
VTorrent (VTR)
ThePirateBayCoin (TPB)
Darkleaks download links embedded off the Bitcoin blockchain
NXT https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/(preview)-torrents-plugin/
[9-Feb-15: Will likely be adding Storj]
Keyrun, Magnet links on Bitcoin blockchain blockchain



LBRY: http://lbry.io/

[please let me know of any others]


I like the idea of an in-wallet crypto<>torrent combination vs. an approach like Datacoin. It makes a lot of sense to me. Here is broadly why:

A good article giving a nice summary on Bittorrent and Crypto: Could Cryptocurrency Improve P2P File Sharing?

http://www.coindesk.com/could-cryptocurrency-improve-file-sharing/


Torrents Face Competition

There are several new ways to get free content that is much easier and safer. For example:

1. YouTube provides free music now. Torrents did well at the start because people were distributing music.

2. XMBC distributes movies and TV shows. Torrents didn't do that very well because of file sizes. crypto torrents won't fix that issue or compete well with XBMC unless the seeders want to earn something from their work.

3. sourceforge, github, softpedia and download.com do free software and sponsored bundles / trials.

Where I think a project such as VTorrent (I don't think TPB has a good enough incentive / economic model for seeders) can create a new category that sits well with the above is through seeder's greed and rights owners need to earn money and stem the tide of people that freely distribute their content.

Digital Rights Owners New Friend - Crypto

Rather than pose a threat to rights owners, I think projects like TPB and VTR have the potential to solve the bandwidth issues that the internet is facing because of the growth in streaming videos.

[update 13 April 2015]

Rights holders going after torrent users, ISPs forced to disclose information.



This is such a bad move on the part of the rights holders. It will only come back to bite them in other ways. They should figure out ways to make streaming movies easier for people and package up movies to make it more compelling to rent new films online rather than force people to use Torrents or force them to cinemas.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-07/dallas-buyers-club-isps-must-hand-over-customer-details/6375358

I also think that digital rights owners can actually use projects like this to save their antiquated business models.

Why? Because what they are doing is figuring out a way for seeders to get paid for seeding. Paying distributors. But wait - that's what rights holders do, they pay distributors to distribute their stuff.

If you create, for example, a wallet that flashes up ads, or finds some other way to bring the YouTube and Spotify ad revenue model, then rights owners can pay seeders for being their distribution channel.  The money payment side could be in crypto.

Just imagine if rights holders could distribute a movie around the world, on the same day, and charge $2 pay per view. What if you had 300m people being able to watch the movie the day it was released? Each film would potentially be a blockbuster in terms of revenue.

Now you don't need the $1bn movies to subsidies the small productions that lose money, which are the vast majority of movies.  Now every movie makes a profit. Hundreds of millions of users, very little distribution and marketing costs. As soon as you finish rendering the movie, you can release it to your army of torrent seeders.


Crypto Torrent Seeders Saving the Internet



Crypto <> torrent seeders become local delivery networks, making movie distribution 1,000,000,000% more efficient.

Movies in particular are file size intensive and getting paid to seed would actually help rights owners and the internet which some suggest is starting to suffer from video streaming overload, leading some to want to bring in priority use charges. This is a two-tier internet where those that have get faster speeds and those that don't have get buffering.

Rights owners don't have a way to stop services like XBMC/Kodi. What they do have are marketing budgets, distribution budgets and revenue share models.

Making crypto seeders part of their distribution model and paying them for providing a backbone to that distribution channel becomes part of the net neutrality debate. Any residential street in the USA can have teens sitting in their bedrooms seeding movies to their neighbours, like a LAN (local area network), thereby removing the burden on the internet infrastructure to distribute movies at peak times - both the movie distributors and the internet service providers and possibly the cable providers could pay the teens in crypto to reduce the load off broader internet.

[Analogy of sorts. A similar model is used in logistics. Large ships move containers to ports. Large containers are transported to a few national hubs and unloaded. From there average size delivery vehicles collect deliveries going to the same region serving particular towns and cities. From the regions, smaller still delivery vehicles go door-to-door. That's much more efficient then sending large deliveries from the container ships direct to each door.]

Revenue From Bundling

Mozilla earns a fortune each year distributing software for Yahoo and others. Software providers can use a similar model to pay seeders to distribute their software and share in the bundling of third party software such as anti-virus, browsers, etc.

Seeders As Paid Distributors

update 4 Feb 2015

ISPs have been throttling and shutting down torrents or torrent related sites. Relatively new services that provide an anonymous torrent link download service have started to form.  These are usually paid for services that mask the torrent nature of the download.



https://untorrent.me/

The fight against torrents is pushing services into the darknet and people are paying to access these torrent services.


White Hat Torrents

Linking Torrents to Crypto means there is the opportunity to send information to the blockchain to confirm when a customer has purchased or trialled software or other content from a seeder. That seeder can prove they seeded and can expect to get paid.  This is similar to affiliate programs.  

Torrent's using the crypto model actually help to define a way to tap into financial incentives that can solve the headache faced by rights holders - their content is digital and can be distributed freely on the internet after it is released.

If crypto projects such as VTR and TPB can show a way to integrate some of the above and perhaps even more, into a wallet, then we will truly have something groundbreaking: P2P was first labelled as a disaster for digital rights owners. What if P2P crypto actually showed rights owners a way to use the medium to make their distribution far more efficient and in so doing switch free seeders into its partner network?

For crypto, rights owners that turn seeders into distributors, well I think they would push crypto and promote it like no one else can.

VTR / TPB and others like them could be a big threat to Netflix (Netflix is actually nothing more than one big seeder distributing content) on the one hand and the friend of movie, music and software producers on the other.

Throttling Policies (UK, Feb 2015)

Traffic Management Policy for one of the UK's main broadband suppliers:

If you’re a Sky Broadband Connect customer we want you to have the fairest service possible.

This Network Management Policy means as a Sky Broadband Connect customer online at peak times you may experience slower speeds when using the network because bandwidth is shared equally amongst all Sky Broadband Connect customers. Peak times are the busiest periods of the day when the highest number of Connect customers are online at the same time. They are typically from 5pm to midnight each day and all day at weekends.

This is likely to be more noticeable if you’re using applications that require a lot of bandwidth or you’re streaming video, particularly in HD.

When fewer Sky Broadband Connect customers are online at the same time there’s more bandwidth to share around so the length of time it takes to do data heavy activities is less.


The Challenge? Magnet Links

How Magnet Links Are Different From .Torrent Files

When you download a .torrent file, you're essentially downloading a small file that contains information on the larger files you want to download. The torrent file tells your torrent client the names of the files being shared, a URL for the tracker, and more. Your torrent client then calculates a hash code, which is a unique code that only that torrent has—kind of like an ISBN or catalog number. From there, it can use that code to find others uploading those files, so you can download from them.

A magnet link does away with the middleman. A magnet link is essentially a hyperlink containing the hash code for that torrent, which your torrent client can immediately use to start finding people sharing those files. Magnet links don't require a tracker (since it uses DHT), nor does it require you to download a separate file before starting the download, which is convenient.

update 3-Feb-2015



Sell and buy information anonymously

Darkleaks is a decentralised blackmarket where you can sell information. It has a mechanism for trustless authentication of documents that are being sold through a novel cryptographic mechanism. The authentication is fair, provably fair.

The software uses Bitcoin’s block chain to encrypt files which are released when payment is claimed by the leaker. Files are split into segments and encrypted. These segments are unlocked only when the leaker reveals the key by claiming his Bitcoins.

There is no identity, no central operator and no interaction between leaker and buyers. We encourage everyone to download Darkleaks now and start building.

https://medium.com/@ZozanCudi/darkleaks-information-blackmarket-1ee5ac28c892

I think this is one of those areas that will push bitcoin prices, and altcoin prices along with it, to new highs.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932096.msg10231367#msg10231367

Forget Coinbase getting regulated. Forget ETFs. This is the next big news explosion for bitcoin and bitcoin prices.

Just look at how many torrent clients got downloaded over the last year or two



People love to download stuff, for free.

Take into account sensitive information leaks, and bitcoin will be in the media every single day. Front page news, every news channel. Every major leak will be broadcast around the world - the latest leak and how to find it.

If confidential commercial information gets posted into Bitcoin and ransom demands are made and people want paying in Bitcoin, then businesses will be buying tens of thousands of bitcoins in order to pay ransoms.

Update 4-Jan-15

DarkLeaks has a few issues. It should be noted that it is an alpha level code release, so issues are to be expected.

* People can sell data, but the buyer can resell the same data.
* Currently, binary data can't be verified as complete. The process adopted uses a random selection of 20% of the source is revealed to the purchaser.
* Randomly selecting 20% of data to release to potential buyers to prove the data is worth something, means that buyers can attempt a number of different purchases until they get all the data for free.
* Buyers can lock-up the files by never completing a transaction. That is being addressed with an expiry date selected by the seller.
* Sellers of movies can compile a 2 hour video of the same clip
* Being based on bitcoin, IP addresses and traffic analysis might eventually yield the sellers identity
* Selling movies, songs, software still requires a hosting solution. This is likely to be torrents, at the moment. So there is no incentive for buyers when they can get the same data for free on other torrents.


MegaNet

update 17-Feb-2015, not sure what this is going to be about, but it's got some references to movies, so bet you're going to be connecting to somewhere that makes movie downloads relatively easy and secure.



https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/567447284250443776

You become the MegaNet
http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-play-role-kim-dotcoms-uncensorable-internet/


Update 31 Nov-15

An interesting addition, few details as yet:



http://cointelegraph.com/news/115518/lbry-the-lovechild-of-bitcoin-bittorrent-storj



tl;dr

Crypto and Torrents are likely to merge.  Buy as much bitcoin and altcoins related to this area as you can (within the limits of what you can afford to lose).




Disclosure:

I like this category. I currently hold some VTR. I will probably hold some TPB when it is available.
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Crypto + Torrent + P*rn is the future Smiley
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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.
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You should be able to tip the files uploader with altcoins  Smiley
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Crypto plus torrents in a different way: https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet
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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.

How long will it be before SafeCoin is released?
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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.

How long will it be before SafeCoin is released?

Nobody knows. More than a few weeks, less than a year, but apart from that it just depends on when they have finished testing and think its ready to release.
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People download torrents because they are free. Since I don't watch TV and only like one or two TV shows. I download them, watch them and then give a copy to my friends.

If I had to pay for content with coins I would simply not use the system and go back to the old system: Piratebay or KickassTorrents.

The only reason I can see for a torrent coin is to pay the guys that upload and seed. As in seeding is mining. These guys deserve to be paid. They sit in movie theaters risking arrest with cameras and then take the time to edit, sync the audio and put out a release for us.

The rest of us can buy it and speculate on it. I think a system like this can have great success.

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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.

Neat. But if they're giving content for free to people, and SafeCoins to seeders and content-makers where's the incentive for people to actually buy SafeCoin? What would give it value?

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Neat. But if they're giving content for free to people, and SafeCoins to seeders and content-makers where's the incentive for people to actually buy SafeCoin? What would give it value?

To store data on the network you pay in SafeCoin. The amount of storage you get for one SafeCoin is algorithmically based on the free:total space ratio of the network. Storing public data is discounted.

Using MaidSafe as cloud storage is desirable because:

  • You don't have to worry about backups, the network maintains 4 copies of every 1MB chunk of data
  • Logging in to the network is done with a PIN+Username+Password, so you never store any encryption keys locally so you can login from any machine. No more messing with locally stored wallets.
  • MaidSafe storage costs will likely be very cheap. No middle-man, de-duplication (if 1000 people store the same video only the first one pays, the others won't pay anything and will simply "subscribe" to that video. The network still only maintains 4 copies, not 4000), and it utilizes free space that is currently wasted on the average user's harddrive.
  • It's more private and anonymous than traditional cloud storage. None can review what or how much you have stored, or who you are for that matter.
  • Download speeds will be fast. What is lost due to multiple hops between source and target is over-compensated by distribution. Since every different 1 MB chunk is uploaded by 4 completely different seeders, if you download a 100 MB file, your client could connect to 400 different nodes at the same time and download those chunks in parallel. Even if every chunk is uploaded only at measly 100 kb/s, your overall download speed could still be 10 MB/s.


Add to that the unique features of SafeCoin itself:

  • Since there is no blockchain there is no public ledger. Any transaction can be anonymous.
  • Transactions are practically instant (about 0.5 - 3 seconds).
  • No transaction fees.
  • Unlimited scalability, since it's all not only decentralized, but also distributed. The bigger the network becomes the more transactions it can handle.
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Neat. But if they're giving content for free to people, and SafeCoins to seeders and content-makers where's the incentive for people to actually buy SafeCoin? What would give it value?

To store data on the network you pay in SafeCoin. The amount of storage you get for one SafeCoin is algorithmically based on the free:total space ratio of the network. Storing public data is discounted.

Using MaidSafe as cloud storage is desirable because:

  • You don't have to worry about backups, the network maintains 4 copies of every 1MB chunk of data
  • Logging in to the network is done with a PIN+Username+Password, so you never store any encryption keys locally so you can login from any machine. No more messing with locally stored wallets.
  • MaidSafe storage costs will likely be very cheap. No middle-man, de-duplication (if 1000 people store the same video only the first one pays, the others won't pay anything and will simply "subscribe" to that video. The network still only maintains 4 copies, not 4000), and it utilizes free space that is currently wasted on the average user's harddrive.
  • It's more private and anonymous than traditional cloud storage. None can review what or how much you have stored, or who you are for that matter.
  • Download speeds will be fast. What is lost due to multiple hops between source and target is over-compensated by distribution. Since every different 1 MB chunk is uploaded by 4 completely different seeders, if you download a 100 MB file, your client could connect to 400 different nodes at the same time and download those chunks in parallel. Even if every chunk is uploaded only at measly 100 kb/s, your overall download speed could still be 10 MB/s.


Add to that the unique features of SafeCoin itself:

  • Since there is no blockchain there is no public ledger. Any transaction can be anonymous.
  • Transactions are practically instant (about 0.5 - 3 seconds).
  • No transaction fees.
  • Unlimited scalability, since it's all not only decentralized, but also distributed. The bigger the network becomes the more transactions it can handle.

Sounds like an interesting system I'll have to look into it (the no blockchain thing in particular has me intrigued). Thanks for the info.  Smiley

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This is definitely an idea whose time has come. I hope this is genuine and will actually be built.

I liked this post, from ThePirateBayCoin thread.
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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.

Isn't MaidSafe supposed to be somewhere to store data in a safe and secure place? It's also built on the Masteroin protocol.

Torrents are far less risky than storing your own personal data online.

Anyway, good luck to them.
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MaidSafe uses the same type of distributed hash table as Bittorrent (Kademlia). Although it isn't the same protocol, it has roughly the same principals. The SAFE network is going to feature SafeCoin rewards for fast seeders, and for popularity of public files. If an artist uploads his or her content first, they'll earn SafeCoin (from the unissued pool) the more popular that content is. So the public gets free content and content producers get paid if they are popular.

Isn't MaidSafe supposed to be somewhere to store data in a safe and secure place? It's also built on the Masteroin protocol.

Torrents are far less risky than storing your own personal data online.

Anyway, good luck to them.

It's not built on the Mastercoin protocol. Only the MaidSafeCoins run on the MasterCoin protocol,  but they are only temporary tokens to be exchanged for real SafeCoins 1:1 once the MaidSafe network launches. Once that happens MaidSafe has nothing to do with MasterCoin anymore.

MaidSafe has more in common with Bittorrent than with Bitcoin, since it uses a similar system to structure the network of data and nodes (the Kademlia DHT). The difference is that when seeding with Bittorent you choose which torrents and thus which data you are seeding. When seeding for MaidSafe, the network decides which data you seed. It wil gradually send you encrypted data chunks of 1MB in size for you to seed. Every chunk is also sent to and seeded by at least 3 other nodes. When a data chunk is downloaded by someone, you will essentially have a race with the other 3 seeders, and the one who finishes transferring it to the downloader first will get a chance to "mine" a SafeCoin.

So when you upload a personal file to MaidSafe for secure storage, your local client will cut up the file in chunks of 1MB and encrypts them. Your client will then send those encrypted chunks to it's manager group on the MaidSafe network, which will pass it along to the chunks data manager groups. Such a data manager group will pick 4 random seeders from the network which are tasked with storing/seeding the data chunk in question. The data manager group will monitor the availability of the seeders and if one goes offline will pick another seeder to also store that chunk. Your client will also put in your network account the hashes of the 1 MB data chunks and to which file they belonged. That way it can later retrieve those 1 MB chunks from all over the network, decrypt them, put them together, and that way restore the file.

Note that when I am talking about a "manager group", it is a group of nodes whose network ID have a mathematical relationship called 'XOR closeness' to the ID of your client or the ID of a particular data chunk (this 'XOR closeness' is the idea behind a Kademlia DHT). These ID's are calculated in a deterministic manner, so you cannot choose which ID your client or which ID's your data chunks will have. That assures that such a manager group is a group of completely random nodes. Such a group needs to achieve a 90% consensus before it can take any action on the network. Nodes in a group that do not follow the rules are de-ranked and eventually kicked out of the group and blacklisted. A node needs a set minimum rank to be able to gain a meaningful vote in such a group. You gain rank by providing the network resources (seeding and routing network data). You lose some rank when, as a seeder, you go offline for extended periods or when you lose data chunks you were supposed to store and seed. A higher rank results in higher SafeCoin rewards for seeding, so rank determines you rate of income as a seeder. You definitely want to maximize it.

As nodes leave and join the network constantly, these groups also change. Since you cannot pick your own network ID, and since you need to provide "Proof of Resource" to gain rank to vote in a consensus group, and since the groups are in a constant state of flux, it is deemed extremely costly to stage a sybil attack with the goal of dominating a particular manager group. There are more details to how the groups are formed, but this is the gist of it.

The end result is that, like in a blockchain, you'll have to outperform the rest of the network by a significant margin to be able to break rules, like double spending. The main advantage that this approach has, is that it's not only decentralized, but the work load is also fully distributed, which gives it virtually unlimited scalability.
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January 24, 2015, 12:41:34 PM
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Cheers for that clarification.  I have been following the MaidSafe price since around $6m, but not following the tech  Wink
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January 24, 2015, 12:54:44 PM
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Cheers for that clarification.  I have been following the MaidSafe price since around $6m, but not following the tech  Wink

No problem. It's quite interesting, though even harder to grasp the first time than Bitcoin. I think there are probably less than 100 people who have a solid grasp on the underlying tech, maybe even less than 50, and that includes the dev team... Most of the other MAID owners are either speculators/traders or naive and lucky to have put their trust in a promising project that's actually legit.  Tongue

Since I'm a piss poor computer sience student with a significant study debt, I had to make the choice between investing in MaidSafe or Ethereum. I didn't want to make the poorer choice, so decided that I had to understand how both worked on a tech level to make an educated decision. In the end I spent 200 Euros on MaidSafeCoins and nothing on Ethereum.  Grin

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February 03, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
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Darkleaks introduces torrent style downloads off the bitcoin blockchain.

https://medium.com/@ZozanCudi/darkleaks-information-blackmarket-1ee5ac28c892

Shit just got serious for rights owners, software vendors and just about anyone with anything to hide.
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Darkleaks introduces torrent style downloads off the bitcoin blockchain.

https://medium.com/@ZozanCudi/darkleaks-information-blackmarket-1ee5ac28c892

Shit just got serious for rights owners, software vendors and just about anyone with anything to hide.

Someone should tell Zozan about Darkcoin.  Wink

People get killed over this shit. Darkcoin by itself isn't going to stop the CIA hit squad finding you, but why make it easy for them?
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February 13, 2015, 11:50:45 PM
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Someone should tell Zozan about Darkcoin.  Wink

Tried just that and the bitch almost shot me with her AKA 47  Shocked. Seriously though, Zozan aka Amir is still tinkering with her darkwallet and darkleaks works on top of her libbitcoin as does slur.io. I wouldn't count on Taaki to get his hands dirty for dark support. But porting libbitcoin to libdarkcoin should be trivial and make darkcoin integration into a really anonymous darkleaks or slur a piece of cake? Because who would trust bitcoin/darkwallet in matters of life and death?
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