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July 15, 2012, 07:32:36 AM
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There is nothing the government can do that could not be done better privately. If it looks like they are doing it better, its because they are enforcing it with guns (not very fair)

Please, convince me why we must have this bullshit thing collecting taxes from some of us

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July 15, 2012, 07:40:42 AM
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again?  Huh
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July 15, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
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I take that to mean you don't have a convincing argument?

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July 15, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

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July 15, 2012, 03:21:21 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Just gun laws and lack of funding for the moment. Bitcoin is changing that though.
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July 15, 2012, 03:34:11 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Just gun laws and lack of funding for the moment. Bitcoin is changing that though.
Who will enforce gun laws?

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July 15, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Just gun laws and lack of funding for the moment. Bitcoin is changing that though.
Who will enforce gun laws?

In anarcho-capitalism? there won't be gun laws.
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July 15, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.

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July 15, 2012, 04:30:50 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.

And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.
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July 15, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.

And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.

Nobody's forcing you to walk around with a gun. Permission is not coercion.

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July 15, 2012, 04:40:52 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.

And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.

Nobody's forcing you to walk around with a gun. Permission is not coercion.

No, your society forces a certain style of living upon one.
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July 15, 2012, 04:42:07 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?

Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.

And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.

Nobody's forcing you to walk around with a gun. Permission is not coercion.

No, your society forces a certain style of living upon one.
That's right, those with the biggest and most guns make and enforce the laws. How is that different than government?

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July 15, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?
Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.
And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.
Nobody's forcing you to walk around with a gun. Permission is not coercion.
No, your society forces a certain style of living upon one.
That's right, those with the biggest and most guns make and enforce the laws. How is that different than government?

"Those with the biggest guns make the laws" is government.
AnCap is based on the realization that violence is not the best way to do things.
"No person has the right to initiate the use or threat force or fraud"

You are not required to walk around armed. You're free to be defenseless, if you so choose. Forcing other people to be defenseless because you prefer to be, however, is coercion.

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July 15, 2012, 05:02:45 PM
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Whats to stop private people from using guns to do things more efficiently?
Using guns (violence) is not more efficient when they other guys are also armed.
And thus, I am required to walk around with a gun. That's coercion, in a sense.
Nobody's forcing you to walk around with a gun. Permission is not coercion.
No, your society forces a certain style of living upon one.
That's right, those with the biggest and most guns make and enforce the laws. How is that different than government?

"Those with the biggest guns make the laws" is government.
AnCap is based on the realization that violence is not the best way to do things.
"No person has the right to initiate the use or threat force or fraud"

You are not required to walk around armed. You're free to be defenseless, if you so choose. Forcing other people to be defenseless because you prefer to be, however, is coercion.
There's a lot of choices in life. Just because you choose to be nice, doesn't require anyone else to reciprocate.

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July 15, 2012, 05:09:08 PM
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There's a lot of choices in life. Just because you choose to be nice, doesn't require anyone else to reciprocate.

No, of course not. Of course, if they choose to initiate force, I am allowed to reciprocate.

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July 15, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
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There's a lot of choices in life. Just because you choose to be nice, doesn't require anyone else to reciprocate.

No, of course not. Of course, if they choose to initiate force, I am allowed to reciprocate.

Who allows it? Certainly not your aggressor. And to what degree are you capable of reciprocating? Certainly everyone cannot reciprocate effectively in an equal manner.
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July 15, 2012, 05:18:46 PM
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Who allows it? Certainly not your aggressor. And to what degree are you capable of reciprocating? Certainly everyone cannot reciprocate effectively in an equal manner.

"The year was 2081, and everybody was finally equal."

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July 15, 2012, 05:22:16 PM
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Who allows it? Certainly not your aggressor. And to what degree are you capable of reciprocating? Certainly everyone cannot reciprocate effectively in an equal manner.

"The year was 2081, and everybody was finally equal."
Great story. I'm not against Anarchy of any type, it's just that it will take many many generations before it is accepted by the masses. It will take great writers and visionaries to prepare the road for them.

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July 15, 2012, 05:35:17 PM
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Great story. I'm not against Anarchy of any type, it's just that it will take many many generations before it is accepted by the masses. It will take great writers and visionaries to prepare the road for them.

You might be surprised how quickly people will adapt. AnCap would not be that much different from the modern society most of us live in now. The primary difference is the fact that you get to select the "Guards for your future security" for yourself. There are towns where there are multiple garbage companies. There are towns where there are multiple electrical companies. These traditionally monopoly services don't break down when competition is introduced. Just the opposite. Service improves, and prices decrease.

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July 15, 2012, 06:23:27 PM
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Anarchism can only be implemented once technology has rendered capitalism obsolete.  Otherwise you are just handing direct control to the top 1% of wealth holders.  If we was living under anarco-capitalism then I'm sure the top 1% wealth holders who were in control would have an elected council so the plebs, peasants and serfs felt like they had a voice and wouldn't revoult.  Tho that elected council would be rigged so only supporters of the top 1% of wealth holders could come to power.  The top 1% of wealth holders would use there control of the media and banks to make that happen.  Sound familiar?

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