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[TheCoins.Net]

and absolutely not paying

Once i withdraw 8 btc from thecoins.net about 3 weeks ago.

Today i receive pm from thecoins.net, they tell that will not pay. As i understand, they will not pay anybody.

I really really think before that in bitcoin community i will see more honest. But what i see - if you lost your btc, it`s ok. If you win some (i really lost big amount before win) - you a hacker, we fixed a security problem. it`s not my problem. When i deposit and lost about 10 btc, nobody tell me: we can`t deposit, because fixed problem. WTF? Everybody can do what they want?
They just can tell - sorry, but you a hacker, no withdraw.
Proof? Do you have some proof?


Ok,  if it was a problem - pay me back all my deposits from last won 8 btc, you can see in stats. Yes, pay me back all my deposits, i think it will be honest - no deposit no withdraw.

Good day everyone!

I think it is ridiculous that everyone starts screaming 'scam' without any actual evidence of people not getting paid. DanilaKor is a scamming hacker who has essentially admitted to cheating in this thread and in private messages to us and wants us to pay him out even though he cheated so that 'clients can see we pay out big winners' and that 'it will be good for us'.

You have been caught cheating at other sites. We gave you the benefit of the doubt and paid your last 8 BTC win but we found the exploit and are fixing it.

We will absolutely not pay out your hacked funds. You are encouraged to go cheat somewhere else, good luck!

Kind regards,
TheCoins.net Support

[DanilaKor]

DanilaKor is a scamming hacker

Do you have ANY PROOFS? NO! You lie! Show everybody my deposits. And ask them - what hacker will lost 10 btc to win just 17???
If somebody else won the same - you will tell he is a hacker. Bcs really scammers - it is you.

We will absolutely not pay out your hacked funds.

Ok. You will pay me - thats my last word. I will win again and again, without cheating (and you really know it). From another accounts, i will play every day for take my btc and show you - it`s not profitable to be a lier. It`s not easy to stole my money. It`s not smart to lie and scam. You don`t have wallet to withdraw, you are scammers.

You are not a businessman because you don`t understand that it`s your reputation. You are just a scammers. And all that you can - max 12 players online, and bets about 0.000000000000001.

Again - you will pay, anyway. Or close your scammers pseudo casino.

 

[diegocosta]

and absolutely not paying

Once i withdraw 8 btc from thecoins.net about 3 weeks ago.

Today i receive pm from thecoins.net, they tell that will not pay. As i understand, they will not pay anybody.

I really really think before that in bitcoin community i will see more honest. But what i see - if you lost your btc, it`s ok. If you win some (i really lost big amount before win) - you a hacker, we fixed a security problem. it`s not my problem. When i deposit and lost about 10 btc, nobody tell me: we can`t deposit, because fixed problem. WTF? Everybody can do what they want?
They just can tell - sorry, but you a hacker, no withdraw.
Proof? Do you have some proof?


Ok,  if it was a problem - pay me back all my deposits from last won 8 btc, you can see in stats. Yes, pay me back all my deposits, i think it will be honest - no deposit no withdraw.

Good day everyone!

I think it is ridiculous that everyone starts screaming 'scam' without any actual evidence of people not getting paid. DanilaKor is a scamming hacker who has essentially admitted to cheating in this thread and in private messages to us and wants us to pay him out even though he cheated so that 'clients can see we pay out big winners' and that 'it will be good for us'.

You have been caught cheating at other sites. We gave you the benefit of the doubt and paid your last 8 BTC win but we found the exploit and are fixing it.

We will absolutely not pay out your hacked funds. You are encouraged to go cheat somewhere else, good luck!

Kind regards,
TheCoins.net Support

we want a screenshot of the pm

[diegocosta]

can you lower the dice bet minimum to 5 sats instead of ten please?

[DanilaKor]

To prove that I am not a hacker and anyone can win as much, I will give my method of playing 3 full members of the forum, absolutely free. In exchange, they will have to start playing strictly by the method, and after 48 hours show the result to community. Winnings will be completely at their disposal, but if someone decides to share them with me - I'll be happy.
All who wish to participate in the experiment - please write a personal message. Send us your Email and a few words why you need this method, and how you can use it. I reserve the right to choose these people based on personal considerations.

[flippy]

The thing here is that a number of posters here have basically already told everyone the winning method. To repeat it - due to a flaw in the probabilities in the provably fair code, betting on certain numbers actually gives the player a positive edge. Assuming that Danila's method involves this, then I'd say it's not right to accuse him of hacking, but I'd also say the owner is justified in not paying out under these circumstances. What's important here is that the site is fixed promptly, before someone else - intentionally or accidentally - ends up taking advantage of the same issue.

[DanilaKor]

And by the way, the are really many bugs there. But mostly - in "Spin to win". I play spin-to-will a little time, but see a lot of bugs.

And one more thing for proof my fair play - i will registred new account, and send it name to 3-4 members in pm. I will do printscreen to fix my start balance. Then i start to play. After i finished, i wiil post here about result, members can accept time when i start to play and start balance.

Especcially will glad to see here dicecoin.io support, to check my method. They are don`t pay too by they do it more honest. They do not lie and do not accuse without proof, they have done a beautiful combination, as a result of which the client himself offered them a discount.

And despite our conflict, I would be happy if they come for checking method. Which, by the way, works on their website, though less efficiently, maybe they are limits. But will allow to take every day a little.

[rockBTC]

And by the way, the are really many bugs there. But mostly - in "Spin to win". I play spin-to-will a little time, but see a lot of bugs.

And one more thing for proof my fair play - i will registred new account, and send it name to 3-4 members in pm. I will do printscreen to fix my start balance. Then i start to play. After i finished, i wiil post here about result, members can accept time when i start to play and start balance.

Especcially will glad to see here dicecoin.io support, to check my method. They are don`t pay too by they do it more honest. They do not lie and do not accuse without proof, they have done a beautiful combination, as a result of which the client himself offered them a discount.

And despite our conflict, I would be happy if they come for checking method. Which, by the way, works on their website, though less efficiently, maybe they are limits. But will allow to take every day a little.

u can send me that info, im always there anyways

[jemsmuhamad]

and absolutely not paying

Once i withdraw 8 btc from thecoins.net about 3 weeks ago.

Today i receive pm from thecoins.net, they tell that will not pay. As i understand, they will not pay anybody.

I really really think before that in bitcoin community i will see more honest. But what i see - if you lost your btc, it`s ok. If you win some (i really lost big amount before win) - you a hacker, we fixed a security problem. it`s not my problem. When i deposit and lost about 10 btc, nobody tell me: we can`t deposit, because fixed problem. WTF? Everybody can do what they want?
They just can tell - sorry, but you a hacker, no withdraw.
Proof? Do you have some proof?


Ok,  if it was a problem - pay me back all my deposits from last won 8 btc, you can see in stats. Yes, pay me back all my deposits, i think it will be honest - no deposit no withdraw.

seriously? you didnt receive 8btc on your winning? then they accussing you as hacker? what a site is this?
should we report this?
but you have proof about this?

[DanilaKor]

seriously? you didnt receive 8btc on your winning?

I receive 8 btc earlier, but not receive 17 btc now.

but you have proof about this?

Pls read the topic one more time. There is many proofs.

[Slark]

"Unlimited 500 satoshi free Bitcoin faucet!" - What does that mean? Faucet will give you 500 satoshis max and then shut down and recharge? It is 500 satoshis per 10 minutes, hour?

[panjul07]

seriously? you didnt receive 8btc on your winning?

I receive 8 btc earlier, but not receive 17 btc now.

but you have proof about this?

Pls read the topic one more time. There is many proofs.

hi mate,

can you tell me how to win in this site?

have you made another accounts and try to play in small amount?

[DanilaKor]

can you tell me how to win in this site?

Yes i can, but only if you after go and play.

have you made another accounts and try to play in small amount?

Yes, sure. But later - i need to work a little
I will send you in pm my account info. And every time i win i can do the printscreen, to more proof.

[Evil-Knievel]

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[Enzyme]

I personally enjoy the unlimited faucet idea, although I do THINK that the site is employing 999Dice's seed tactic.

I have neither checked nor will, but I usually don't lose 6 times in a row on my first try

[flippy]

The site doesn't seem to be deliberately using any kind of cheat tactic, but as has been mentioned here before, the odds are inaccurate because the provably fair code only produces 1000 possible outcomes.

A few examples:

The chance of rolling one of the first 3 numbers - 76, 156, or 172 - is 3 in 1000. The payout is about x374.4. On average, if you bet 'under 172' (which on this site, actually includes 172), then you'll get 1123 satoshis back for every 1000 you gamble, a 11.2% positive edge for the player.

The chance of rolling under 32768 - the default, 50% chance value - is 507 in 1000. The payout is about x1.962, which means that on average, you'll get 994 satoshis back for every 1000 you gamble. This is still a house edge, but is actually less than intended.

However, in some other cases the house edge is greater. For example, the chance of rolling 76 or 156 is 2 in 1000 and the payout for under 156 is about x412.18. This means you'd average a return of 824 satoshi for every 1000 you gamble, a large house edge of 18%. Even worse, if you aim for under 75, then there's basically a 100% house edge.

In general, however, the majority of players are probably playing at better than advertised odds. I think that players should be refunded any losses where they can prove they've gambled at worse than advertised odds, but overall the site is more the victim here. It's hard to sympathise when they're taking so long to fix such a simple issue, though.

[Minnlo]

The site doesn't seem to be deliberately using any kind of cheat tactic, but as has been mentioned here before, the odds are inaccurate because the provably fair code only produces 1000 possible outcomes.

A few examples:

The chance of rolling one of the first 3 numbers - 76, 156, or 172 - is 3 in 1000. The payout is about x374.4. On average, if you bet 'under 172' (which on this site, actually includes 172), then you'll get 1123 satoshis back for every 1000 you gamble, a 11.2% positive edge for the player.

The chance of rolling under 32768 - the default, 50% chance value - is 507 in 1000. The payout is about x1.962, which means that on average, you'll get 994 satoshis back for every 1000 you gamble. This is still a house edge, but is actually less than intended.

However, in some other cases the house edge is greater. For example, the chance of rolling 76 or 156 is 2 in 1000 and the payout for under 156 is about x412.18. This means you'd average a return of 824 satoshi for every 1000 you gamble, a large house edge of 18%. Even worse, if you aim for under 75, then there's basically a 100% house edge.

In general, however, the majority of players are probably playing at better than advertised odds. I think that players should be refunded any losses where they can prove they've gambled at worse than advertised odds, but overall the site is more the victim here. It's hard to sympathise when they're taking so long to fix such a simple issue, though.

What puzzled me is that why they chose to go with this "unusual" algorithm to generate the number, when they can easily copy a working and tested one from the existing dice sites. Why use CRC32 rather than SHA256 or SHA512? Why add %1000 if they want to generate a number from 0 to 65535?

Also, after the problem being pointed out clearly, they don't care at all.

[CryForMeSky]

betting on certain numbers actually gives the player a positive edge. Assuming that Danila's method involves this, then I'd say it's not right to accuse him of hacking, but I'd also say the owner is justified in not paying out under these circumstances.

Disagree.  If the situation is one where the player notices a way to play the game...in a way that was put out by the site...that is +ev, the site has the obligation to pay that player if/when he wins.  Obviously if the player does something to manipulate the site/odds/game, hack into the backend, or cheat in any way, then he shouldn't be paid anything.  But if the site makes a mistake, and a player observes it and exploits it simply by playing the game as the site intends, that can't be on the player.  He's just playing the game!

[FanEagle]

I didn't knew this site was still alive, and now that is still alive I will ask again:
You never contacted me back to have the italian translation done.
Other sites, more stable(aka more time living on internet) got my request in a day and got the job done in like 2 days, but you guys, you guys prefer google translate to show to the world how good you are in managing more than english, uh?
You disappointed me guys, really.

[flippy]

betting on certain numbers actually gives the player a positive edge. Assuming that Danila's method involves this, then I'd say it's not right to accuse him of hacking, but I'd also say the owner is justified in not paying out under these circumstances.

Disagree.  If the situation is one where the player notices a way to play the game...in a way that was put out by the site...that is +ev, the site has the obligation to pay that player if/when he wins.  Obviously if the player does something to manipulate the site/odds/game, hack into the backend, or cheat in any way, then he shouldn't be paid anything.  But if the site makes a mistake, and a player observes it and exploits it simply by playing the game as the site intends, that can't be on the player.  He's just playing the game!

I actually somewhat agree with you, but by 'under these circumstances' I was also including Danila's pretty terrible behaviour here. He's already won 8btc for practically no effort or risk, and yet boasts about his 'method' and demands to be paid further for continuing to exploit this mistake in the site, with absolutely no regard for the wellbeing of the site and the other players using it.