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January 28, 2015, 08:22:24 PM
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I sell Starbucks cards on this forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935502

Wardrick pm'ed about wanting me to send him 5 cards first since he is a "hero" and deserves everything to be his way or no way so I sent him 5 cards first (even though I state I dont send first on my sale post) and trusted him without escrow. Well I wish I didn't do that because he is such an asshole and pain in the ass.

Below is the messages I received from him. After I sent him 5 cards, I repeatedly demanded him to send me $110 for what he owes and he responded in the messages below.

http://s16.postimg.org/e2wdo9okx/wardrick.jpg

Below are the cards I sent him, it has been redeemed and emptied out on the day he got the cards.

http://s24.postimg.org/6aa9g4jdt/code_numbers.jpg

When he sent me a message today saying he had problems with his cards, I went back and checked to see what was wrong with them. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THEM. Cards are still in working condition and emptied out. Many of you guys know starbucks cards run into a lot of issues and get zereoed out quickly. When it gets zereoed, the card itself is not working and is invalid with red letters. However in this case the cards I gave him are still valid and shows up as working.

Below are all the transaction history of all the cards I sent him with today's date and time stamped on it.

http://s24.postimg.org/gr45nomjl/3_cards.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/vazifl8k3/2_cards.jpg

The last 4 digits match with 5 cards he got. Cards are emptied out on the date I sent him on the 26th and is still in working condition. He promised me he would pay me once he uses up the cards.  Well...the cards has been used up and I still didn't get my $110 back...


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January 28, 2015, 09:07:54 PM
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I think one of the issues here is that there was a severe lack of communication regarding payment details before you sent the codes. Assuming the only messages Wardrick sent you are the ones you have posted, I'm not surprised that he hasn't paid you. "Interested" does not mean the same thing as "please send me the codes and I will pay you immediately". You put him in a difficult situation by preemptively sending them, I'm sure he would have explained his payment plan beforehand if you had done more than just send the codes after one vague PM. This is all assuming there aren't additional PMs between you two.
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January 28, 2015, 09:09:36 PM
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It looks like you sent him something without discussing terms. If you were expecting to receive money immidiatly then you should have specified as much. He did offer to disregard the codes so you could sell them yourself.

If there is really no problem with any of the codes then you should have no issues with reselling them yourself.

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January 28, 2015, 09:43:21 PM
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Yes, I realized I sent him without discussing further into details but the point is he redeemed them and emptied out all of the cards I sent him and told me he would pay me when he sees the cards are working and use them up. So... it's been all used and I'm still not paid Huh
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January 28, 2015, 09:49:28 PM
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It looks like you sent him something without discussing terms. If you were expecting to receive money immidiatly then you should have specified as much. He did offer to disregard the codes so you could sell them yourself.

If there is really no problem with any of the codes then you should have no issues with reselling them yourself.

I pm'ed him the next morning I would take them back but he used them up and I cant resell empty cards.

And you can't take back codes in gitcard business for obvious reasons.
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January 28, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
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If the gift cards were redeemed it is really your word against his as to who redeemed them.

A better practice would be have to transferred the balance to a newly generated card number sent to his email by Starbucks

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January 28, 2015, 10:01:52 PM
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If the gift cards were redeemed it is really your word against his as to who redeemed them.

A better practice would be have to transferred the balance to a newly generated card number sent to his email by Starbucks

Well, I have all the evidence to back my claims. Wardrick is PMing in private and not confronting in public because he knows he used up the cards and emptied them

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January 28, 2015, 10:16:41 PM
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99.97642% of the Starbucks gift cards that have been sold on this forum have been carded. I'm surprised Wardrick even attempted to buy them, Wardrick should know better. If he did use the balance he should pay up obviously, but I'm only 27.5427% sure he did.

he did use the balance. I pm'ed the next morning to tell him I want to take my cards back but he said he used them all up
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January 28, 2015, 10:19:48 PM
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99.97642% of the Starbucks gift cards that have been sold on this forum have been carded. I'm surprised Wardrick even attempted to buy them, Wardrick should know better. If he did use the balance he should pay up obviously, but I'm only 27.5427% sure he did.

he did use the balance. I pm'ed the next morning to tell him I want to take my cards back but he said he used them all up

Post screenshots of those PMs. If he already used them, there is no reason why he shouldn't have paid.

Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=85316 - Shows "This user's password was reset recently." - Possibly a hacked account? Maybe someone could get him to verify this is him or leave negative feedback to protect others in case of a hacked account.
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January 28, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
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99.97642% of the Starbucks gift cards that have been sold on this forum have been carded. I'm surprised Wardrick even attempted to buy them, Wardrick should know better. If he did use the balance he should pay up obviously, but I'm only 27.5427% sure he did.

he did use the balance. I pm'ed the next morning to tell him I want to take my cards back but he said he used them all up
None of your screen shots reflect either of these messages. In fact the messages that you have shown reflect the opposite of that.

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January 28, 2015, 10:47:36 PM
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99.97642% of the Starbucks gift cards that have been sold on this forum have been carded. I'm surprised Wardrick even attempted to buy them, Wardrick should know better. If he did use the balance he should pay up obviously, but I'm only 27.5427% sure he did.

he did use the balance. I pm'ed the next morning to tell him I want to take my cards back but he said he used them all up

Post screenshots of those PMs. If he already used them, there is no reason why he shouldn't have paid.

Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=85316 - Shows "This user's password was reset recently." - Possibly a hacked account? Maybe someone could get him to verify this is him or leave negative feedback to protect others in case of a hacked account.

January 26, 2015, 01:33:02 PM - Wardrick - password reset via email and January 26, 2015, 08:40:01 PM - Wardrick - password reset via email from the seclog. Assuming the OP is using the default timezone, it seems Wardrick was in control of his account when he sent these PMs (although the hacker might have redeemed the codes after gaining access to his account).
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January 28, 2015, 10:54:01 PM
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Stealing stolen goods... Oh boy.
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January 29, 2015, 07:08:42 AM
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First of all, you never told me you created this thread. Secondly, you sent me the codes without confirming any information, I told you about four times to take them back and then once you see that I had used them, you message me and say you won't take them back. I told you over and over again that you're trading on my terms if you're going to send something to me without discussing the details. I've been buying gift cards for awhile and I'm not about to be flagged for using illegal gift cards and the order was cancelled and the funds should be back on the card if they were obtained legally, which looking at how you've acted I highly doubt. There's not really much else to say, you're just a scammer looking to make a quick buck and that gets mad when he can't.

Edit 2/1: Here's all the proof:

http://imgur.com/de5Q9sW
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http://imgur.com/KKpjUpK
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January 29, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
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a user can be changed. I do not know why the people are screaming on forum. do you really think that something it will happen?
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Either way you knew what these cards were and went forth with using them and emptied them out. You went forth with ordering stuff just in case you actually get something ordered to you. At the end of the day, these cards were redeemed and emptied out by you. I am left with 5 cards with $0 balances and not paid still. These cards are still valid and not closed so it is still in working condition.

No I didn't message you when I saw you used them up. I checked first and saw all the balances were still there and I message you to tell you I wanted them back but 5 hours later you used them.

And you've been buying gift cards for a while and this is your first time buying starbucks gift cards? Yea that's very believable

This is everything what happened:

Wardrick sent me a message:  "Hi I'm interested in $500 Starbucks, you can check my threads and decide whether or not you want to send the codes first. I don't use escrow for code trades. Thanks"

Yes, I sent him 5 cards first without discussing anything into details but he initiated by saying he wanted 5 cards and want me to send him the code first. So I checked his reputation and sent him codes first.

Then we argued back and forth about payment and came to conclusion that he will pay me once he use up the cards.
20 hours later, I changed my mind to tell him I will take my cards back but he was offline at this point and I noticed 5 hours later it has been redeemed. So at this point I expected him to pay me since the cards has been redeemed and emptied out.

In short words, he took my cards, redeemed them and emptied all $500 and left me hanging without payment. He used them up before the cards closed down or came to any problems so in the end he credited out $500 and did not pay me. This isnt a matter of if cards are legit or not. He used up all the balances and didn't pay.

so either get me 5 cards with $100 in each or pay me $110

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January 29, 2015, 06:28:45 PM
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Either way you knew what these cards were and went forth with using them and emptied them out. You went forth with ordering stuff just in case you actually get something ordered to you. At the end of the day, these cards were redeemed and emptied out by you. I am left with 5 cards with $0 balances and not paid still. These cards are still valid and not closed so it is still in working condition.

No I didn't message you when I saw you used them up. I checked first and saw the balance was still there and I message you to tell you I wanted them back but 5 hours later you used them.

And you've been buying gift cards for a while and this is your first time buying starbucks gift cards? Yea that's very believable

This is everything what happened:

Wardrick sent me a message:  "Hi I'm interested in $500 Starbucks, you can check my threads and decide whether or not you want to send the codes first. I don't use escrow for code trades. Thanks"

Yes, I sent him 5 cards first without discussing anything into details but he initiated by saying he wanted 5 cards and want me to send him the code first. So I checked his reputation and sent him codes first.

Then we argued back and forth about payment and came to conclusion that he will pay me once he use up the cards.
20 hours later, I changed my mind to tell him I will take my cards back but he was offline at this point and I noticed 5 hours later it has been redeemed. So at this point I expected him to pay me since the cards has been redeemed and emptied out.

In short words, he took my cards, redeemed them and emptied all $500 and left me hanging without payment. He used them up before the cards closed down or came to any problems so in the end he credited out $500 and did not pay me. This isnt a matter of if cards are legit or not. He used up all the balances and didn't pay.




So you are admitting that the gift cards are carded?

There is no reason why he would owe you money if he tried to redeem them for actual goods but was unable to do so. When you are selling a $500 gift card it is implied that the purchaser would be able to buy $500 worth of merchandize from the store the gift card is for

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January 29, 2015, 06:28:58 PM
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While there are a number of differences...
Wardrick = KingOfSports
jamesphamm33 = BigBitz

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January 29, 2015, 06:32:21 PM
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Why does it take 5 days to use the codes?  Place your order online at starbucks.com, or go to the store, get new cards, buy them with these cards.

Either way, you shouldn't hold this guys payment hostage for 5 days.  If you wnted to wait until you ordered and the items shipped, then that is reasonable.  But 5 days?  Thats a little outlandish.

I am not judging either of you, I don't know either of you, and the OP shouldn't have just made the assumption he was getting paid instantly, especially when he just sent codes.  On the same hand, when Wardrick transferred balances, he was basically saying he wanted them.  Maybe Wardrick can place his order, so that OP can be paid, or OP can be called out that the codes did not work, instead of waiting to use them?  

2.953% of scammers drink coffee....but 94.934% own starbucks cards, haha (Sorry, had to percentages in there to follow the theme)
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January 29, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
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While there are a number of differences...
Wardrick = KingOfSports
jamesphamm33 = BigBitz

Where the hell would you get that assumption from? Spam.

@rockminer I was just using it as an example as sometimes in order for the order to go through it can take up to that long. I've never held a payment for that long as I use the codes immediately and is usually the day or day after unless something like this happens.

@quickseller exactly, there's not any reason to send a payment for something that's invalid. basically like selling a car for $1000 and not saying there's anything wrong with it and it breaks down the next day because it's a piece of junk with broken parts.

This is just a sad attempt of trying to lie to twist the story to try to get money. I can provide all the proof for this trade, however I don't think its really necessary to waste the time as its already pretty clear what this low life is trying to do.
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January 29, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
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Both sides are "right" with this accusation. If someone is asking about your gift cards, you don't immediately send over the code and demand a payment. Its like visiting an open-house, and then giving you the keys to the house and calling you a scammer if you don't pay it back. On the other hand (I haven't been following really this thread so I don't know if this was answered), if you empty the balance after he sends it to you, and you don't pay for it, its not fair to the seller.

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