NewDeal2014 SCAMMER

[poksak]

What happened
NewDeal2014 bought from me amazon account balance and i order item he want from amazon. we agreed he must sent coins after items delivered. After item delivered, he claim item is not what he ordred from me and not sent any coins.

Scammers Profile Link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=211464

Reference Link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=936261.0

Amount Scammed:
$420

Proof of Payment:
http://imgur.com/voq1HCH
http://imgur.com/YlSTKhB
http://imgur.com/4i57M7y

PM/Chat Logs:
http://imgur.com/ISFJWjK
http://imgur.com/krGpTkA
http://imgur.com/baY3QtO
http://imgur.com/se5gEIt

[1713534612]

1713534612

[1713534612]

1713534612

[1713534612]

1713534612

[1713534612]

1713534612

[1713534612]

1713534612

[1713534612]

1713534612

[Quickseller]

Can you post a text version of the amazon order number and the tracking number?

[shipitbuddy]

Can you post a text version of the amazon order number and the tracking number?

Please umblock the pm's already removed your name, take a look at the new scam acussation, Im playing some poker now and will delete ur name in everypost quick, but please help me. Bounty Awarded-

[NewDeal2014]

Okay, there are two things here that the OP didn't tell you.

1: I didn't receive my goods. I received a Schumacher portable power jumpstarter. I did NOT receive what I had told the OP to order.

2: I explained to the OP that when I return home I will send pictures of what I received. He instead chose to make this scam accusation. He spammed my PM box with at least 20 PMs in broken English asking for payment. The more I tried to explain that I did not receive my goods, the more he spammed me.

I also have a record of another user who PMed me shortly after posting in the OPs thread that the OP was executing an Amazon scam of some kind which involves canceled Amazon orders and store credit on the account.

So what we have here:

a: I did not receive my Antminer S5.

b: The OP spammed my PM box BEFORE the order arrived trying to get bitcoins out of me BEFORE the package arrived (Because if my order isn't what I wanted, my coins are already gone).

c: Another user (Who requested I not use his name) PMed me explaining a complicated scam in the Amazon community that he believed the OP was executing. Simply put - he's ordering nonsense in exchange for BTC before the owner of the Amazon account files a complaint.

d: I told the OP REPEATEDLY about the problem, and he REFUSES to contact either Amazon or the company he "ordered from". He INSISTS that I do so, which I cannot do as I did not place the order - he did.

I will provide COMPLETE PM screenshots, as well as a screenshot of the other user's accusation (with his name omitted) if anyone requests it. I have nothing to hide here - I have not received my package, and I will not take part in some half-assed money laundering operation.

Also - OP if you have any shred of decency you will remove my shipping info from your post. I do not appreciate breaches of privacy.

[poksak]

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

[NewDeal2014]

http://imgur.com/Ow29RvQ

THIS is what I received after I signed for the package.

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

I don't know if you did this, or it was a genuine mistake. Either way, I'm not paying for something I LITERALLY CANNOT USE.

I ordered an Antminer S5 from you. I got this in the mail.

[Wardrick]

Can someone provide a link to the seller's Amazon page? There's no reason to believe you received a fake item if the seller's profile is all positive feedback.

[Quickseller]

http://imgur.com/Ow29RvQ

THIS is what I received after I signed for the package.

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

I don't know if you did this, or it was a genuine mistake. Either way, I'm not paying for something I LITERALLY CANNOT USE.

I ordered an Antminer S5 from you. I got this in the mail.

Do you have any video of you opening the package so we know that this is not an attempt to scam the OP?

[NewDeal2014]

http://imgur.com/Ow29RvQ

THIS is what I received after I signed for the package.

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

I don't know if you did this, or it was a genuine mistake. Either way, I'm not paying for something I LITERALLY CANNOT USE.

I ordered an Antminer S5 from you. I got this in the mail.

Do you have any video of you opening the package so we know that this is not an attempt to scam the OP?

You know that I don't. People don't video themselves opening a package they expect to be legitimate. I can't say anymore that is proof-backed, really. I'm still working on making screenshots of every single PM the OP sent pressuring me to send the coins before delivery. That was really suspicious to me.

Believe me, I've completed trades here without any problems. I sold Antminer S3s to Crowetic. I sold a PS3 to Smack That Ace. Both with no escrow, both with being paid up front, and I DELIVERED those items. I am not a scammer. This person has sent me some nonsense (I don't even want to know how he faked the screenshots - Firebug?) and wanted to be paid before the package arrived so I couldn't get my coins back.

Again, I can't prove anything but what is in the box and the messages we have sent one another. I just know that I wanted an Antminer S5 from this user and instead received some garbage. If it's his fault, he's a scammer. If it's not his fault, then it sure LOOKS like his fault based on how he pressured me to pay ahead of delivery.

Yesterday (One day before delivery) he BLEW UP MY PM BOX with requests to get paid, seeking out any way he could get coins before the package arrived.

[Quickseller]

Well I guess the OP could allow a very trusted person access his amazon account to see if the order was in fact canceled or not.

[poksak]

is that proof??

[Quickseller]

is that proof??

If someone were to log into your amazon account who is trusted then they could see that the order really was not canceled and that if NewDeal2014 really did receive a battery then the issue is with the amazon seller not you.

[poksak]

http://imgur.com/Ow29RvQ

THIS is what I received after I signed for the package.

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

I don't know if you did this, or it was a genuine mistake. Either way, I'm not paying for something I LITERALLY CANNOT USE.

I ordered an Antminer S5 from you. I got this in the mail.

Do you have any video of you opening the package so we know that this is not an attempt to scam the OP?

You know that I don't. People don't video themselves opening a package they expect to be legitimate. I can't say anymore that is proof-backed, really. I'm still working on making screenshots of every single PM the OP sent pressuring me to send the coins before delivery. That was really suspicious to me.

Believe me, I've completed trades here without any problems. I sold Antminer S3s to Crowetic. I sold a PS3 to Smack That Ace. Both with no escrow, both with being paid up front, and I DELIVERED those items. I am not a scammer. This person has sent me some nonsense (I don't even want to know how he faked the screenshots - Firebug?) and wanted to be paid before the package arrived so I couldn't get my coins back.

Again, I can't prove anything but what is in the box and the messages we have sent one another. I just know that I wanted an Antminer S5 from this user and instead received some garbage. If it's his fault, he's a scammer. If it's not his fault, then it sure LOOKS like his fault based on how he pressured me to pay ahead of delivery.

Yesterday (One day before delivery) he BLEW UP MY PM BOX with requests to get paid, seeking out any way he could get coins before the package arrived.

proof im a scammer---->http://imgur.com/kATJLLK

and my partner contact number who really help me to be a genius scammer here-->http://imgur.com/nukR4zf

[Quickseller]

http://imgur.com/Ow29RvQ

THIS is what I received after I signed for the package.

do you have proof?..mate, just tell the truth..

I don't know if you did this, or it was a genuine mistake. Either way, I'm not paying for something I LITERALLY CANNOT USE.

I ordered an Antminer S5 from you. I got this in the mail.

Do you have any video of you opening the package so we know that this is not an attempt to scam the OP?

You know that I don't. People don't video themselves opening a package they expect to be legitimate. I can't say anymore that is proof-backed, really. I'm still working on making screenshots of every single PM the OP sent pressuring me to send the coins before delivery. That was really suspicious to me.

Believe me, I've completed trades here without any problems. I sold Antminer S3s to Crowetic. I sold a PS3 to Smack That Ace. Both with no escrow, both with being paid up front, and I DELIVERED those items. I am not a scammer. This person has sent me some nonsense (I don't even want to know how he faked the screenshots - Firebug?) and wanted to be paid before the package arrived so I couldn't get my coins back.

Again, I can't prove anything but what is in the box and the messages we have sent one another. I just know that I wanted an Antminer S5 from this user and instead received some garbage. If it's his fault, he's a scammer. If it's not his fault, then it sure LOOKS like his fault based on how he pressured me to pay ahead of delivery.

Yesterday (One day before delivery) he BLEW UP MY PM BOX with requests to get paid, seeking out any way he could get coins before the package arrived.

proof im a scammer---->http://imgur.com/kATJLLK

and my partner contact number who really help me to be a genius scammer here-->http://imgur.com/nukR4zf

Like i said, find someone who you trust to allow access to your amazon account so they can vouch that the images are not photoshopped

[poksak]

another proof im a scammer-->http://imgur.com/X5HQHoK

[NewDeal2014]

another proof im a scammer-->http://imgur.com/X5HQHoK

NO ONE IS DISPUTING THE PACKAGE WAS DELIVERED.

I'm telling you and everyone else that I did not receive what I requested and that you pressured me before delivery to release coins to you. I sent you a PM telling you that I didn't receive what I requested and you kept begging me to send you coins instead of trying to resolve the issue. I asked you to contact the seller and Amazon (Since YOU placed the order), and you kept insisting that I do it.

I can't stress this enough - I did not place an order with Amazon. You did. You need to find out what happened with Amazon and deal with this situation. It's looking more and more like you are just trying to "wash" stolen Amazon credit/GC balance, and I want nothing to do with that kind of illegal activity.

I'm also not going to bicker with you about this. You can post as many screenshots as you want about something being delivered - I received some 400 amp car battery charger when I ordered a BITCOIN MINER. I buy and sell BITCOIN MINERS.

[poksak]

another proof im a scammer-->http://imgur.com/X5HQHoK

NO ONE IS DISPUTING THE PACKAGE WAS DELIVERED.

I'm telling you and everyone else that I did not receive what I requested and that you pressured me before delivery to release coins to you. I sent you a PM telling you that I didn't receive what I requested and you kept begging me to send you coins instead of trying to resolve the issue. I asked you to contact the seller and Amazon (Since YOU placed the order), and you kept insisting that I do it.

I can't stress this enough - I did not place an order with Amazon. You did. You need to find out what happened with Amazon and deal with this situation. It's looking more and more like you are just trying to "wash" stolen Amazon credit/GC balance, and I want nothing to do with that kind of illegal activity.

I'm also not going to bicker with you about this. You can post as many screenshots as you want about something being delivered - I received some 400 amp car battery charger when I ordered a BITCOIN MINER. I buy and sell BITCOIN MINERS.

http://imgur.com/jQ2oTqs

yes my plan is to wash my hacked amazon account loaded with carded gift card and scam people so i can get back my clean gift card to legit account

[NewDeal2014]

http://imgur.com/jQ2oTqs

I loled:


Honestly I don't think the screenshots are shopped, that would be a pretty bad scam, offering to send someone something upfront and actually send something else and hope they pay... yeah not a good scam at all.

I think that it's possible poksak did buy the miner but maybe the amazon seller tried to scam by sending a battery instead. It is a common scam on Amazon/Ebay with Bitcoin miners. In any case buying/selling amazon balances for BTC is REALLY high risk and nobody should do it. I think someone needs to get in contact with amazon support and get back the money from the seller.

The thing is that the seller was supposed to have been reputable. The OP told me that the seller was reputable and gave me their contact info in a PM.

I'm so confused at this point.

[poksak]

https://i.imgur.com/a8KE1m1.png

https://i.imgur.com/Yn6Fk9R.png

[Quickseller]

http://imgur.com/jQ2oTqs

I loled:


Honestly I don't think the screenshots are shopped, that would be a pretty bad scam, offering to send someone something upfront and actually send something else and hope they pay... yeah not a good scam at all.

I think that it's possible poksak did buy the miner but maybe the amazon seller tried to scam by sending a battery instead. It is a common scam on Amazon/Ebay with Bitcoin miners. In any case buying/selling amazon balances for BTC is REALLY high risk and nobody should do it. I think someone needs to get in contact with amazon support and get back the money from the seller.

The thing is that the seller was supposed to have been reputable. The OP told me that the seller was reputable and gave me their contact info in a PM.

I'm so confused at this point.

According to previous screenshots it was NewDeal2014 that suggested this specific product. I do think you should work with NewDeal to try to resolve this with the amazon seller however assuming you can prove that you did not cancel the order then your part has been fulfilled and NewDeal2014 owes you the bitcoin

[Quickseller]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

[Blazr]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

[Quickseller]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

If you are comfortable logging into someone else's amazon account. According to this screenshot it was NewDeal that suggested the specific amazon seller so he should be held responsible if the seller scammed, not the OP

[poksak]

sure  

[NewDeal2014]

According to previous screenshots it was NewDeal2014 that suggested this specific product. I do think you should work with NewDeal to try to resolve this with the amazon seller however assuming you can prove that you did not cancel the order then your part has been fulfilled and NewDeal2014 owes you the bitcoin

There is simply no way he ordered from the proper distributor and I received some bogus nonsense. Unless I'm the ONE IN A MILLION person who the retailer scammed (not likely), then this is all a sham.

I have no problem paying for what I wanted, but this is just stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/or9W0oK.png

I received this LITERALLY HOURS AFTER I POSTED IN THE OPs THREAD THAT I WAS WORKING OUT A DEAL.

[NewDeal2014]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

If you are comfortable logging into someone else's amazon account. According to this screenshot it was NewDeal that suggested the specific amazon seller so he should be held responsible if the seller scammed, not the OP

I literally just picked whatever Amazon seller was selling S5s. My only problem is that I didn't receive an S5. I got some bogus item. Either way, I'm not paying for it.

[poksak]

According to previous screenshots it was NewDeal2014 that suggested this specific product. I do think you should work with NewDeal to try to resolve this with the amazon seller however assuming you can prove that you did not cancel the order then your part has been fulfilled and NewDeal2014 owes you the bitcoin

There is simply no way he ordered from the proper distributor and I received some bogus nonsense. Unless I'm the ONE IN A MILLION person who the retailer scammed (not likely), then this is all a sham.

I have no problem paying for what I wanted, but this is just stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/or9W0oK.png

I received this LITERALLY HOURS AFTER I POSTED IN THE OPs THREAD THAT I WAS WORKING OUT A DEAL.

mate, no worries..we believe u for sake of antminer. im the one who scam u..are we good?..we should get in touch or maybe go on holiday in maldives or paris together..

[shipitbuddy]

Guys I used to be an amazon customer support agent, any question let me know...

[Quickseller]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

If you are comfortable logging into someone else's amazon account. According to this screenshot it was NewDeal that suggested the specific amazon seller so he should be held responsible if the seller scammed, not the OP

I literally just picked whatever Amazon seller was selling S5s. My only problem is that I didn't receive an S5. I got some bogus item. Either way, I'm not paying for it.

Bitmain is selling the S5 on amazon, why didn't you pick them? Your agreement was for the OP to purchase a specific item listing on amazon from a specific seller in exchange for bitcoin. If he followed through on is end then you owe him the amount of bitcoin that was agreed upon. If the amazon seller scammed you then you need to work with amazon and the OP to get a replacement or a refund.

Since you gave the OP your address if the order is not canceled and you do not pay him then the OP could easily contact the police. Your address in Alexandra,VA would not make it difficult to find you. My understanding of VA law based on my quick google search reveals that stealing the amount you have stolen is Grand Larceny, is a felony and is punishable by between 1 and 30 years in jail (likely closer to the former then the later)

[Wardrick]

You either planned the entire time to say the item you received wasn't as described or the seller sent you a fake item. As you already stated there's no debate whether or not you received the item, and it should be pretty obvious if it was from the seller as their information would of been on the package. The only question is whether or not you or lying about receiving the correct item or not. It obviously wasn't a smart idea for Poksak to send first without using Escrow to a member with no reputation. Why would you pay $400 when you could just say you didn't get the item? You have nothing to lose, but if you are scamming he now has your personal information. Which IMO is worth a lot more than $400, either way if you aren't compromising with Poksak good luck having your personal info posted all around the internet for everyone to see Via Google.

[NewDeal2014]

According to previous screenshots it was NewDeal2014 that suggested this specific product. I do think you should work with NewDeal to try to resolve this with the amazon seller however assuming you can prove that you did not cancel the order then your part has been fulfilled and NewDeal2014 owes you the bitcoin

There is simply no way he ordered from the proper distributor and I received some bogus nonsense. Unless I'm the ONE IN A MILLION person who the retailer scammed (not likely), then this is all a sham.

I have no problem paying for what I wanted, but this is just stupid.

https://i.imgur.com/or9W0oK.png

I received this LITERALLY HOURS AFTER I POSTED IN THE OPs THREAD THAT I WAS WORKING OUT A DEAL.

mate, no worries..we believe u for sake of antminer. im the one who scam u..are we good?..we should get in touch or maybe go on holiday in maldives or paris together..

Keep running your mouth. I offered to work this out with you. I told you via PM many times to contact Amazon/the Seller. You refused. You refused to try and find out what went wrong. Keep it up. I swear to God, I will find you and sue you for defamation and fraudulent representation. Go on. Make jokes, be sarcastic.

He gave me the login, he definitely ordered it and it wasn't cancelled. I have more screenshots and a video recording of me logging in if necessary.

No one believes the order was canceled. I'm just telling you that I received a box of crap (An item I cannot even use) and I don't want it. I don't want it and I'm not paying for it. That's really the end of it.

I trusted the OP to order me something from Amazon. He constantly spammed me asking if the item had arrived even though we had tracking (AND HE EVEN CLAIMED THAT USPS DIDN'T TRACK THE SHIPMENT, THEN SUDDENLY THEY DID). He constantly tried to get me to pay merely a day or hours before the package arrived. The package arrived, I signed for it, I opened it, and discovered that it's all bullshit. I then went downtown to attend to other business (not related), and the OP spammed me asking for payment. I told him I would send pictures of the contents of the package when I got home, and he CONTINUED to spam me asking for payment/proof.

I get home, take pictures, and find that he has already opened this scam accusation against ME when all I did was sign for a package I expected to be an Antminer S5.

I can't stress this enough - I'm not interested in this user or his story. I received nonsense delivered TO MY DOOR, and I'm not paying for it.

I can provide PMs of this user attempting to get me to send funds outside of escrow BEFORE THE PACKAGE IS DELIVERED.

Bitmain is selling the S5 on amazon, why didn't you pick them? Your agreement was for the OP to purchase a specific item listing on amazon from a specific seller in exchange for bitcoin. If he followed through on is end then you owe him the amount of bitcoin that was agreed upon. If the amazon seller scammed you then you need to work with amazon and the OP to get a replacement or a refund.

I picked the first result in the list for Antminer S5. That should be Bitmain.

I attempted to work with the OP OVER AND OVER to resolve this as I DID NOT ORDER ANYTHING. He REFUSES to contact Amazon. He REFUSES to contact the seller. He ordered a bogus item from Amazon and REFUSES to even TRY to resolve it.

Since you gave the OP your address if the order is not canceled and you do not pay him then the OP could easily contact the police. Your address in Alexandra,VA would not make it difficult to find you. My understanding of VA law based on my quick google search reveals that stealing the amount you have stolen is Grand Larceny, is a felony and is punishable by between 1 and 30 years in jail (likely closer to the former then the later)

A: Bitcoins are not currency.

B: I hope that this scammer TRIES to report me to my local precinct. I swear to god almighty I will not only beat the charge, I will immediately file a defamation suit so fucking fast his head will spin. I have done nothing wrong here. I have received a bogus item, and I will not pay for that bogus item. That's where the debate ends. Period. End of discussion.

If I had received my miner, we wouldn't even be talking about this. Again, I've sent goods WHILE BEING PAID AHEAD OF TIME with no trouble whatsoever. This is the one problem I've had, and it isn't on me. The OP either needs to contact Amazon/Bitmain and work this out, or admit that he tried and failed to launder an Amazon's balance. Either way, this isn't on me.

You either planned the entire time to say the item you received wasn't as described or the seller sent you a fake item. As you already stated there's no debate whether or not you received the item, and it should be pretty obvious if it was from the seller as their information would of been on the package. The only question is whether or not you or lying about receiving the correct item or not. It obviously wasn't a smart idea for Poksak to send first without using Escrow to a member with no reputation.

I agree with you about everything except the no reputation part. I have done two deals where I was paid in advance by two reputable (One reputable, one semi-reputable) users. I shipped those items immediately.

[NewDeal2014]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

If you are comfortable logging into someone else's amazon account. According to this screenshot it was NewDeal that suggested the specific amazon seller so he should be held responsible if the seller scammed, not the OP

I literally just picked whatever Amazon seller was selling S5s. My only problem is that I didn't receive an S5. I got some bogus item. Either way, I'm not paying for it.

Bitmain is selling the S5 on amazon, why didn't you pick them? Your agreement was for the OP to purchase a specific item listing on amazon from a specific seller in exchange for bitcoin. If he followed through on is end then you owe him the amount of bitcoin that was agreed upon. If the amazon seller scammed you then you need to work with amazon and the OP to get a replacement or a refund.

Since you gave the OP your address if the order is not canceled and you do not pay him then the OP could easily contact the police. Your address in Alexandra,VA would not make it difficult to find you. My understanding of VA law based on my quick google search reveals that stealing the amount you have stolen is Grand Larceny, is a felony and is punishable by between 1 and 30 years in jail (likely closer to the former then the later)

Remove your fucking Trust right now. I have not scammed anyone. I received a BOGUS ITEM and I WILL NOT pay for a BOGUS ITEM.

[poksak]

Give Blazr your amazon email address and password via PM (if you both agree) and he can confirm that the order was in fact not canceled.

Ugh, getting me involved?

LOL! I'll do it if you guys want. I can login and check the order was for a miner and it's not cancelled.

If you are comfortable logging into someone else's amazon account. According to this screenshot it was NewDeal that suggested the specific amazon seller so he should be held responsible if the seller scammed, not the OP

I literally just picked whatever Amazon seller was selling S5s. My only problem is that I didn't receive an S5. I got some bogus item. Either way, I'm not paying for it.

Bitmain is selling the S5 on amazon, why didn't you pick them? Your agreement was for the OP to purchase a specific item listing on amazon from a specific seller in exchange for bitcoin. If he followed through on is end then you owe him the amount of bitcoin that was agreed upon. If the amazon seller scammed you then you need to work with amazon and the OP to get a replacement or a refund.

Since you gave the OP your address if the order is not canceled and you do not pay him then the OP could easily contact the police. Your address in Alexandra,VA would not make it difficult to find you. My understanding of VA law based on my quick google search reveals that stealing the amount you have stolen is Grand Larceny, is a felony and is punishable by between 1 and 30 years in jail (likely closer to the former then the later)

Remove your fucking Trust right now. I have not scammed anyone. I received a BOGUS ITEM and I WILL NOT pay for a BOGUS ITEM.

please receive this bogus item..and no worries mate..u dont have pay for this

[Quickseller]

Bitmain is selling the S5 on amazon, why didn't you pick them? Your agreement was for the OP to purchase a specific item listing on amazon from a specific seller in exchange for bitcoin. If he followed through on is end then you owe him the amount of bitcoin that was agreed upon. If the amazon seller scammed you then you need to work with amazon and the OP to get a replacement or a refund.

I picked the first result in the list for Antminer S5. That should be Bitmain.

That is between you and amazon. This does not concern the OP.

I attempted to work with the OP OVER AND OVER to resolve this as I DID NOT ORDER ANYTHING. He REFUSES to contact Amazon. He REFUSES to contact the seller. He ordered a bogus item from Amazon and REFUSES to even TRY to resolve it.

It is understandable that he wants his money first. The agreement was that he order a specific product from a specific seller, he fulfilled his part of the bargain. You should give him his money you owe him and then he can attempt to work with the seller on amazon.

Since you gave the OP your address if the order is not canceled and you do not pay him then the OP could easily contact the police. Your address in Alexandra,VA would not make it difficult to find you. My understanding of VA law based on my quick google search reveals that stealing the amount you have stolen is Grand Larceny, is a felony and is punishable by between 1 and 30 years in jail (likely closer to the former then the later)

A: Bitcoins are not currency.

Doesn't matter. Bitcoin has value and stealing it is larceny. You do not need to steal money to be guilty of larceny.

B: I hope that this scammer TRIES to report me to my local precinct. I swear to god almighty I will not only beat the charge, I will immediately file a defamation suit so fucking fast his head will spin. I have done nothing wrong here. I have received a bogus item, and I will not pay for that bogus item. That's where the debate ends. Period. End of discussion.

If you sticks to the facts that he set forth in this thread then he would certainly not be liable for defamation. He did follow through on his part, you have not. Regardless of if you actually received that battery from the amazon seller or not you are most likely guilty.

If I had received my miner, we wouldn't even be talking about this. Again, I've sent goods WHILE BEING PAID AHEAD OF TIME with no trouble whatsoever. This is the one problem I've had, and it isn't on me. The OP either needs to contact Amazon/Bitmain and work this out, or admit that he tried and failed to launder an Amazon's balance. Either way, this isn't on me.

That is between you and amazon. This is not the OP's problem. You should have picked a more reputable amazon seller.

You either planned the entire time to say the item you received wasn't as described or the seller sent you a fake item. As you already stated there's no debate whether or not you received the item, and it should be pretty obvious if it was from the seller as their information would of been on the package. The only question is whether or not you or lying about receiving the correct item or not. It obviously wasn't a smart idea for Poksak to send first without using Escrow to a member with no reputation.

I agree with you about everything except the no reputation part. I have done two deals where I was paid in advance by two reputable (One reputable, one semi-reputable) users. I shipped those items immediately.

You are not reputable. Two deals is nothing. It was scammy for you to refuse escrow in the first place. An escrow setup would be one similar to what just happened. You would send bitcoin to escrow, the OP would place an order for you, once the items are delivered the escrow would release the funds to the seller. If there is a dispute then the escrow can log into the seller's amazon account to make sure the order was not canceled.

[Quickseller]

@poksak if the OP gave you a signed message with sufficient bitcoin to pay you and such address still has sufficient bitcoin to pay you then I would give him until morning to pay you when you will contact the police if he has not. Otherwise I would give him 3 days max until you contact the police.

if you contact the police sooner rather then later then NewDeal will have less time to sell/get rid of the S5 that he received so when the police are able to search his house it will be more likely that they find it, meaning a higher chance for a conviction

EDIT: I would highly recommend against sending the sex toys to him

[NewDeal2014]

That is between you and amazon. This does not concern the OP.

No. You're wrong. He ordered the item. Period.

It is understandable that he wants his money first. The agreement was that he order a specific product from a specific seller, he fulfilled his part of the bargain. You should give him his money you owe him and then he can attempt to work with the seller on amazon.

No. Not at all. If YOU fucking send coins ahead of time for an amazon order, WATCH HOW FAST THEY REPORT THE GC/ACCOUNT AS HACKED/STOLEN AND YOU GET FUCKING SCAMMED.

Also, watch how fast Amazon charges YOUR card for the items.

Let me repeat that: IF YOU PAY BITCOINS AHEAD OF TIME FOR AMAZON, YOU ARE ASKING TO BE SCAMMED. IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AND STILL HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

Doesn't matter. Bitcoin has value and stealing it is larceny. You do not need to steal money to be guilty of larceny.

No. Just no. I'm not getting into this debate with you. I'm not even in the wrong here, so this is moot.

If you sticks to the facts that he set forth in this thread then he would certainly not be liable for defamation. He did follow through on his part, you have not. Regardless of if you actually received that battery from the amazon seller or not you are most likely guilty.

No. He's accusing me of scamming him. I am accusing him of scamming me. I have proof that I did not receive my item, along with a well-documented pattern of suspicious behavior (Selling Amazon balances for starters). Don't even. He's fucking laundering money through Amazon, and that's that.

It is understandable that he wants his money first. The agreement was that he order a specific product from a specific seller, he fulfilled his part of the bargain. You should give him his money you owe him and then he can attempt to work with the seller on amazon.

I will not give some newbie my money so he can run off with it. If he works this out with the seller and I receive my miner, I will send him the bitcoins with a tip for being an intelligent human being. But see, that won't happen. He's a money launderer and a fraud, and he refuses to even take a single step towards a positive resolution.

You are not reputable. Two deals is nothing. It was scammy for you to refuse escrow in the first place. An escrow setup would be one similar to what just happened. You would send bitcoin to escrow, the OP would place an order for you, once the items are delivered the escrow would release the funds to the seller. If there is a dispute then the escrow can log into the seller's amazon account to make sure the order was not canceled.

Oh HORSESHIT. If I wanted to scam someone, I would have scammed crowetic THE MOMENT HE SENT HIS BITCOINS. If I wanted to scam someone I would have NOT POSTED HERE. If I wanted to scam someone, I would have NOT ACCEPTED ESCROW ON MY WESTERN UNION TRANSACTIONS. Please.

I've never done business with you, Quickseller, but I'll tell you this: You have a reputation for jumping on someone. That's not wrong in itself, but you're picking the wrong person here.

I'll give this another 24 hours to resolve and then I'm done with this thread/situation. In the end, I haven't lost anything but time. That's better than losing over $400 on some Amazon scam.

@poksak if the OP gave you a signed message with sufficient bitcoin to pay you and such address still has sufficient bitcoin to pay you then I would give him until morning to pay you when you will contact the police if he has not. Otherwise I would give him 3 days max until you contact the police.

if you contact the police sooner rather then later then NewDeal will have less time to sell/get rid of the S5 that he received so when the police are able to search his house it will be more likely that they find it, meaning a higher chance for a conviction

I don't have an S5. I don't have any bitcoin miners at all. That's the ENTIRE PROBLEM. I HAVE NOTHING BUT A USELESS ITEM THAT I CAN'T EVEN RESELL. I'M BASICALLY HAVING MY REPUTATION RUINED AND I'M NOT EVEN GETTING MONEY OUT OF IT. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SUPPORTING MONEY LAUNDERING ON AMAZON.

[Quickseller]

I'll give this another 24 hours to resolve and then I'm done with this thread/situation. In the end, I haven't lost anything but time. That's better than losing over $400 on some Amazon scam.

If the OP listens to my advice then you will likely also have lost your freedom

@poksak if the OP gave you a signed message with sufficient bitcoin to pay you and such address still has sufficient bitcoin to pay you then I would give him until morning to pay you when you will contact the police if he has not. Otherwise I would give him 3 days max until you contact the police.

if you contact the police sooner rather then later then NewDeal will have less time to sell/get rid of the S5 that he received so when the police are able to search his house it will be more likely that they find it, meaning a higher chance for a conviction

I don't have an S5. I don't have any bitcoin miners at all. That's the ENTIRE PROBLEM. I HAVE NOTHING BUT A USELESS ITEM THAT I CAN'T EVEN RESELL. I'M BASICALLY HAVING MY REPUTATION RUINED AND I'M NOT EVEN GETTING MONEY OUT OF IT. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SUPPORTING MONEY LAUNDERING ON AMAZON.

You are speculating that the OP is engaging in money laundering. You have received no additional hard evidence (besides a message from an unknown sender who you purposefully withheld the identity of). If you did think hat the OP was laundering money as of when you placed the order then you would have been engaged in money laundering as well

[ABitNut]

Uninteresting case. Three parties:

1) Poksak
2) Newdeal2014
3) Amazon seller (Bits of

It seems Poksak honored their part of the deal (independently verified by Blazr). It seems Newdeal2014received a battery instead of a miner (unverified)

There are two obvious scenarios:
1) The Amazon seller scammed by sending a battery instead of a miner.
2) Newdeal2014scammed by receiving the miner but claiming they received a battery.

I am leaning towards 1) but there's no evidence to support it. In both cases there is no blame on Poksak because he ordered the exact item that Newdeal2014requested.


Most importantly, neither party seems genuinely interested in resolving the issue. Instead they're acting like little kids having a nice e-tantrum together.

[crazykiddo]

Who select the amazon seller? Is the amazon seller trusted enough?

[NewDeal2014]

Uninteresting case. Three parties:

1) Poksak
2) Newdeal2014
3) Amazon seller (Bits of

It seems Poksak honored their part of the deal (independently verified by Blazr). It seems Newdeal2014received a battery instead of a miner (unverified)

There are two obvious scenarios:
1) The Amazon seller scammed by sending a battery instead of a miner.
2) Newdeal2014scammed by receiving the miner but claiming they received a battery.

I am leaning towards 1) but there's no evidence to support it. In both cases there is no blame on Poksak because he ordered the exact item that Newdeal2014requested.


Most importantly, neither party seems genuinely interested in resolving the issue. Instead they're acting like little kids having a nice e-tantrum together.

E-tauntrum? I asked the OP repeatedly via PM to contact the seller/Amazon. He refused. He is in control of the Amazon account making the order. It is his responsibility to deal with this problem. There is no reason for him to NOT be resolving this aside from that he cannot provide security question information for the account because it's bogus, and/or he is using bogus AGCs.

I can't make it more clear: I have tried to work with him, and I FOUND this thread. He's spamming my PM box EVEN WHILE THIS THREAD GOES ON with taunts and asking me for money. This is bordering on extortion at this point.

Who select the amazon seller? Is the amazon seller trusted enough?

I selected the seller by SIMPLY SELECTING THE FIRST RESULT WHEN YOU TYPE ANTMINER S5 INTO AMAZON. I don't know the seller at all.

Insert Quote
Tatianna Weigand-Stuart
5850 Cameron Run Ter
Apt 619
Alexandra, VA 22303
703-258-9378

^^for google search results Wink

And that's when I'm done with this thread. My personal information is being posted on the internet with no regard for the facts of this situation. I have nothing more to say here. If anyone genuinely cares (And isn't trying to up their post count), I will send you the entire collection of PMs between the OP and I. Other than that, this issue is over.

I'm glad I didn't lose any money on this scam. I'm thankful for that at least.

[poksak]

Uninteresting case. Three parties:

1) Poksak
2) Newdeal2014
3) Amazon seller (Bits of

It seems Poksak honored their part of the deal (independently verified by Blazr). It seems Newdeal2014received a battery instead of a miner (unverified)

There are two obvious scenarios:
1) The Amazon seller scammed by sending a battery instead of a miner.
2) Newdeal2014scammed by receiving the miner but claiming they received a battery.

I am leaning towards 1) but there's no evidence to support it. In both cases there is no blame on Poksak because he ordered the exact item that Newdeal2014requested.


Most importantly, neither party seems genuinely interested in resolving the issue. Instead they're acting like little kids having a nice e-tantrum together.

i fight for my right.. but for newbie like me, its better well known member in this forum act as judges because i believe they have more experiences if something like this happen..

[crazykiddo]

Can you post the amazon seller? You select the amazon seller without looking if they are trusted enough. You should be blamed for the amount being scammed.

[hongw]

Uninteresting case. Three parties:

1) Poksak
2) Newdeal2014
3) Amazon seller (Bits of

It seems Poksak honored their part of the deal (independently verified by Blazr). It seems Newdeal2014received a battery instead of a miner (unverified)

There are two obvious scenarios:
1) The Amazon seller scammed by sending a battery instead of a miner.
2) Newdeal2014scammed by receiving the miner but claiming they received a battery.

I am leaning towards 1) but there's no evidence to support it. In both cases there is no blame on Poksak because he ordered the exact item that Newdeal2014requested.


Most importantly, neither party seems genuinely interested in resolving the issue. Instead they're acting like little kids having a nice e-tantrum together.

I would personally think the chances of it being #2 are greater. I find it somewhat strange that NewDeal2014 received a random PM from someone whose identity he refused to release.

If you add this to the fact that he was refusing to use escrow, I would say it is pretty convincing that he was planning on scamming the entire time.

[ABitNut]

crazykiddo, get out of here. If you can't read the thread you have no place commenting.

Poksak: You could give the seller (Bits of 8 ) a call or shoot of an message asking for their side of the story

Newdeal2014: You could give the seller (Bits of 8 ) a call or shoot of an message asking for their side of the story


Or you could both point fingers at each other and wait for the other to do it.

I would personally think the chances of it being #2 are greater. I find it somewhat strange that NewDeal2014 received a random PM from someone whose identity he refused to release.

If you add this to the fact that he was refusing to use escrow, I would say it is pretty convincing that he was planning on scamming the entire time.

For what it's worth the seller seems reputable on amazon. I don't see them sending a battery. So yes, I changed my mind. I'm leaning more towards #2 now as well. Either way the amazon seller may have some interesting details to share with the party that actually got scammed.


PS. I do agree that posting personal details may be a bit premature.

[poksak]

crazykiddo, get out of here. If you can't read the thread you have no place commenting.

Poksak: You could give the seller (Bits of 8 ) a call or shoot of an message asking for their side of the story

Newdeal2014: You could give the seller (Bits of 8 ) a call or shoot of an message asking for their side of the story


Or you could both point fingers at each other and wait for the other to do it.

For what it's worth the seller seems reputable on amazon. I don't see them sending a battery.


PS. I do agree that posting personal details may be a bit premature.

i already called seller and tell them about wrong item delivered..amazon customer service already know about this..

[hongw]

I would personally think the chances of it being #2 are greater. I find it somewhat strange that NewDeal2014 received a random PM from someone whose identity he refused to release.

If you add this to the fact that he was refusing to use escrow, I would say it is pretty convincing that he was planning on scamming the entire time.

For what it's worth the seller seems reputable on amazon. I don't see them sending a battery. So yes, I changed my mind. I'm leaning more towards #2 now as well. Either way the amazon seller may have some interesting details to share with the party that actually got scammed.

I am not saying there are no scams on amazon, however I would find it hard to believe that the top search result for a S5 would still be in business if they were in fact scamming even a small percentage of their customers.

You also need to remember that the amazon seller is forced to use escrow via amazon. On the other hand NewDeal2014 refused to use escrow of any kind. Additionally NewDeal2014 is now claiming that the order was funded with stolen funds and/or the seller is participating in money laundering (really just trying to distract from the conversation).

PS. I do agree that posting personal details may be a bit premature.

The OP posted it in his first post so personal details are not new news.

[Quickseller]

i already called seller and tell them about wrong item delivered..amazon customer service already know about this..

I would still contact the police about this if NewDeal is refusing to pay. Every minute you delay contacting the police is more time that he has to sell the miner for either cash or bitcoin which would make it much more difficult to prove that he received the miner in criminal court.

Even if he is convicted of grand larceny you should still be able to recover civil damages from him to recover your losses

[ABitNut]

i already called seller and tell them about wrong item delivered..amazon customer service already know about this..

Is there any conclusion on that? Are there steps being taken?

I am not saying there are no scams on amazon, however I would find it hard to believe that the top search result for a S5 would still be in business if they were in fact scamming even a small percentage of their customers.

You also need to remember that the amazon seller is forced to use escrow via amazon. On the other hand NewDeal2014 refused to use escrow of any kind. Additionally NewDeal2014 is now claiming that the order was funded with stolen funds and/or the seller is participating in money laundering (really just trying to distract from the conversation).

Agreed. At this moment it is not quite relevant how Poksak paid Bits of 8. Bits of 8 accepted the payment and sent the item to Newdeal2014. So again, Poksak lived up to their end of the deal.

Unless you go all out conspiracy and proof that Poksak is a sock of Bits of 8... Then all bets are off.

[poksak]

i already called seller and tell them about wrong item delivered..amazon customer service already know about this..

Is there any conclusion on that? Are there steps being taken?

I am not saying there are no scams on amazon, however I would find it hard to believe that the top search result for a S5 would still be in business if they were in fact scamming even a small percentage of their customers.

You also need to remember that the amazon seller is forced to use escrow via amazon. On the other hand NewDeal2014 refused to use escrow of any kind. Additionally NewDeal2014 is now claiming that the order was funded with stolen funds and/or the seller is participating in money laundering (really just trying to distract from the conversation).

Agreed. At this moment it is not quite relevant how Poksak paid Bits of 8. Bits of 8 accepted the payment and sent the item to Newdeal2014. So again, Poksak lived up to their end of the deal.

Unless you go all out conspiracy and proof that Poksak is a sock of Bits of 8... Then all bets are off.

seller said they will check on this order, nothing more because they have order details...

[NewDeal2014]

Again, without revealing the name of the person who sent me this (I will do so in court if needed):

https://i.imgur.com/8YmjzRB.png

Now I think I'm finally done with this thread. It's late and I have no patience for this kind of nonsense when I haven't slept. I'll be taking screenshots of this entire thread for when/if this goes to court. I will requesting the issuance of a summons for all parties involved in any alleged defamation regarding this incident. Just covering my ass in this matter.

Good luck to all in this thread (except for the OP - I hope you fucking die in a car accident), and I'm sorry for letting my temper flare. I will be using legal means to resolve this instead of arguing back and forth on an internet forum.

[hongw]

i already called seller and tell them about wrong item delivered..amazon customer service already know about this..

Is there any conclusion on that? Are there steps being taken?

I would say this shows the OP is willing to try to work with the seller

I am not saying there are no scams on amazon, however I would find it hard to believe that the top search result for a S5 would still be in business if they were in fact scamming even a small percentage of their customers.

You also need to remember that the amazon seller is forced to use escrow via amazon. On the other hand NewDeal2014 refused to use escrow of any kind. Additionally NewDeal2014 is now claiming that the order was funded with stolen funds and/or the seller is participating in money laundering (really just trying to distract from the conversation).

Agreed. At this moment it is not quite relevant how Poksak paid Bits of 8. Bits of 8 accepted the payment and sent the item to Newdeal2014. So again, Poksak lived up to their end of the deal.

Unless you go all out conspiracy and proof that Poksak is a sock of Bits of 8... Then all bets are off.

I would find it more likely that NewDeal is a sock of Bits of 8 as he was the one who picked the amazon seller.

Again, without revealing the name of the person who sent me this (I will do so in court if needed):

https://i.imgur.com/8YmjzRB.png

Now I think I'm finally done with this thread. It's late and I have no patience for this kind of nonsense when I haven't slept. I'll be taking screenshots of this entire thread for when/if this goes to court. I will requesting the issuance of a summons for all parties involved in any alleged defamation regarding this incident. Just covering my ass in this matter.

Good luck to all in this thread (except for the OP - I hope you fucking die in a car accident), and I'm sorry for letting my temper flare. I will be using legal means to resolve this instead of arguing back and forth on an internet forum.

I call bluff on this. I personally would not be surprised if you sent this PM to yourself (either via your own account or via an alt of yours). I see no reason why someone would want their identity hidden like this. Nor would revealing this in court do anything to help you

[crazykiddo]

To me Bits of 8 seems a legit seller based on his feedback www.amazon.com/shops/bitsof8

[CoinCidental]

the mods can check if he sent the pm to himself or used an alt with the same ip address - pm badbear ASAP to see
if the pm is from a legit user or not

[hongw]

To me Bits of 8 seems a legit seller based on his feedback www.amazon.com/shops/bitsof8

This seller apparently is even rated as "#1 best seller" in computer servers (although this could be talking about the product not the seller). The seller does have either 4 or 4.5 stars (our of 5) on all the products they are selling.

[crazykiddo]

To me Bits of 8 seems a legit seller based on his feedback www.amazon.com/shops/bitsof8

This seller apparently is even rated as "#1 best seller" in computer servers (although this could be talking about the product not the seller). The seller does have either 4 or 4.5 stars (our of 5) on all the products they are selling.

It looks like Newdeal2014 is the only one who receives battery out of more than 50 buyers. If Newdeal2014 is speaking the truth.

[CoinCidental]

To me Bits of 8 seems a legit seller based on his feedback www.amazon.com/shops/bitsof8

This seller apparently is even rated as "#1 best seller" in computer servers (although this could be talking about the product not the seller). The seller does have either 4 or 4.5 stars (our of 5) on all the products they are selling.

It looks like Newdeal2014 is the only one who receives battery out of more than 50 buyers. If Newdeal2014 is speaking the truth.

Newdeal2014 looks like hes in the wrong id bits of 8 is a legit seller perfect feedback

[poksak]

i just hope NewDeal2014 pay my coins..nothing more than that..$400 really worth for me..

[crazykiddo]

i just hope NewDeal2014 pay my coins..nothing more than that..$400 really worth for me..

Hope this is a lesson to you. Next time use a trusted escrow.

[poksak]

i just hope NewDeal2014 pay my coins..nothing more than that..$400 really worth for me..

Hope this is a lesson to you. Next time use a trusted escrow.

i will..thanks mate

[WEBcreator]

give it a rest, contact the seller, perhaps the seller sent the wrong item , that could be it, why keep trantuming each other here

[mayax]

give it a rest, contact the seller, perhaps the seller sent the wrong item , that could be it, why keep trantuming each other here

call him !

[legendster]

Looks like Newdeal guy also scammed Smack that Ace for that white PS3 slim.
Apparently no PS3 was ever shipped.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919043.msg10436643#msg10436643