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March 02, 2015, 11:16:02 PM
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Micro-transactions aren't the only transactions that will not fit in a 1MB block limit.

Yeah. Get used to it.

Why not you get used to bigger blocks?

If you accept that not everything has to be trustless, then the 'problem' vanishes instantly.

Finally something about your own views about Bitcoin. Unfortunately for you it doesn't match Satoshi's view.

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March 02, 2015, 11:22:45 PM
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Why not you get used to bigger blocks?

Which ones?


Finally something about your own views about Bitcoin. Unfortunately for you it doesn't match Satoshi's view.

Those your imaginary magic satoshi santa will bring for christmas?

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March 02, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
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Why not you get used to bigger blocks?

Which ones?

20MB+. Why should I get used with a 1MB block when you could get used with 20MB+ blocks?

Those your imaginary magic satoshi santa will bring for christmas?

Exactly!

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March 03, 2015, 12:29:36 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...
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March 03, 2015, 12:45:37 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

although i am pro bigger blocks, they have some valid points.
(atleast the ones willing to discuss something)

and dont forget for what they are fighting: a decentralized, trustable bitcoin. this is something we all want. we just dont (yet?) have a consensus how to archive this in the best possible way.

what do you define as community? who is that?
i have the same feeling here in the forum but i dont know what the people think that really counts (miners, pool owners) because in the end: its their decision.

they are influenced and incentivized through money of course... thats why i'd like to know what they'll do...luckily they are forced to announce it through the blockchain if they want bigger blocks so everybody has enough time to update.

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March 03, 2015, 01:12:27 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

You've got a partial correct answer in my case.

I'd say that there is about a 99.9% chance that we sent humans to the moon more-or-less in line with what the history books say, as somewhat less but still very high chance that the Holocaust happened as described by the winners of WW-II but that the event has been milked to death by the Zionists of later generations, and that there is about a 95% chance that 9/11 was completely an invention of elements within the U.S. and associated with our leadership though there probably was some technical and tactical assistance from close allies.


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March 03, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

You've got a partial correct answer in my case.

I'd say that there is about a 99.9% chance that we sent humans to the moon more-or-less in line with what the history books say, as somewhat less but still very high chance that the Holocaust happened as described by the winners of WW-II but that the event has been milked to death by the Zionists of later generations, and that there is about a 95% chance that 9/11 was completely an invention of elements within the U.S. and associated with our leadership though there probably was some technical and tactical assistance from close allies.



there are far more conspiracies than there are consipracy theories.
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March 03, 2015, 08:34:27 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...
and dont forget for what they are fighting: a decentralized, trustable bitcoin. this is something we all want. we just dont (yet?) have a consensus how to archive this in the best possible way.
Decentralized nodes at the cost of centralization of end-users transacting in the blockchain is not a decentralized trustable bitcoin. What exactly are these Luddites fighting for? The end of Bitcoin?

Nodes that can be ran by the poor, *but only serve the rich*, is not healthy for Bitcoin given the existence of alternative solutions that are cheaper and more efficient.

It's almost like these 1MB'er wants Bitcoin to die on purpose. Madness.
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March 03, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
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An overwhelming majority of the community favors the 20MB fork. Only a handful of Luddites with their sock puppets accounts for 90% of the opposition (if you can even call it that).

I'm going to have to place the 1MB'er in the same bin as the Moon landing denier, Holocaust denier, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists...
and dont forget for what they are fighting: a decentralized, trustable bitcoin. this is something we all want. we just dont (yet?) have a consensus how to archive this in the best possible way.
Decentralized nodes at the cost of centralization of end-users transacting in the blockchain is not a decentralized trustable bitcoin. What exactly are these Luddites fighting for? The end of Bitcoin?

Nodes that can be ran by the poor, *but only serve the rich*, is not healthy for Bitcoin given the existence of alternative solutions that are cheaper and more efficient.

It's almost like these 1MB'er wants Bitcoin to die on purpose. Madness.


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March 03, 2015, 09:11:11 AM
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It is artificially low and chosen arbitrarily.

Yeah, low and arbitrarily chosen numbers never really were an issue for Bitcoin.
And no, the block size isn't getting raised any time soon, and certainly not by Gavin.
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March 03, 2015, 09:16:55 AM
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If bitcoin want to handle more transaction in one block, then there is no choose but to increase the size of each block.
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March 03, 2015, 09:59:59 AM
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It'll always be possible to build superior visas, and western unions on top of teleportable gold.
As for the opposite...

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March 03, 2015, 10:21:15 AM
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It'll always be possible to build superior visas, and western unions on top of teleportable gold.
As for the opposite...

I'm not buying this idea. Teleportable gold is a bad analogy at best and delusional at worst. Bitcoin is simply a decentralized digital ledger, your idea of of teleportable gold is creating abstractions that has no basis in reality.

The value of Bitcoin is dependent on the security of the network (hashrate), and how many adopters are able to transact directly in the network.

The moment the bitcoiner discovers that the fees to interact directly with the network is the same as wiring Western Union, your teleportable gold will be rendered a penny stock without any users supporting its purchasing power, and in the end, bitcoiners will migrate to other solutions in which there are no competitive fees or artificial block size limit.

Good luck curating a ledger that charges the same rate as WU.
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March 03, 2015, 10:24:05 AM
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It'll always be possible to build superior visas, and western unions on top of teleportable gold.
As for the opposite...


"superior visa" on bitcoin = instant.io / mybitcoin and so on...

what is superior over the currents ones?

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March 03, 2015, 12:03:23 PM
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Teleportable gold is a bad analogy

It's actually pretty awesome and spot on.


bitcoiners will migrate to other solutions in which there are no competitive fees or artificial block size limit.

And what's that gonna be? dogecoin? Some other magical altcoin that somehow has all bitcoin's strong points but none of its weaknesses?


what is superior over the currents ones?

Noobs are to do their homework, not address their betters without being talked to.

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March 03, 2015, 12:07:30 PM
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what is superior over the currents ones?

Noobs are to do their homework, not address their betters without being talked to.

you are better than me? best joke i heard in a long time...
but as i have leaved bitcoin-central a long time ago i dont really care what you think of me...

BUT: i still want to understand your point about bitcoin... so please enlighten me which superior alternatives based on bitcoin are you talking about?

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March 03, 2015, 12:19:13 PM
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i have leaved bitcoin-central a long time ago

So why do you have a 24h old account?

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March 03, 2015, 01:06:52 PM
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i have leaved bitcoin-central a long time ago

So why do you have a 24h old account?

don't get angry about it, it's the way normal people can change username at will without spending 50 btc to becoming a donator.

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March 03, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
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i have leaved bitcoin-central a long time ago

So why do you have a 24h old account?

flower1024 -> onemorebtc -> onemorexmr
if you really want to know my history...

anyway: i really want to discuss blocksize limit and to understand YOU!
i know you dont care... but please?

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March 03, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
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i really want to discuss blocksize limit and to understand YOU!

Here you go : http://fr.anco.is/2015/gavineries/

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