Government Surveillance and Edward Snowden

[criptix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
Interesting video, skip to 4:55 for the Snowden part.

USA is a parody version of Oceania.

somehow alot of truth, george orwell was a extremely intelligent human being.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/12/08/5-questions-about-the-cia-detention-and-interrogation-report-you-wish-you-didnt-have-to-ask/

you guys can now choose the red or the blue pill

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[Muhammed Zakir]

"Edward Snowden wants to come back to US...."
"Edward Snowden is ready to comeback to US..."

^^ https://www.google.co.in/search?q=edward+snowden+want+to+come+back+to+us

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That's why I asked whether he will go back. He obviously want to come back as it is his home country.

[bryant.coleman]

That's why I asked whether he will go back. He obviously want to come back as it is his home country.

He has said that he will come back to the United States, if the authorities can guarantee him a fair trial. But the authorities are reluctant to promise him anything, so Snowden will remain in Russia for the rest of his life. 

[Spendulus]

"Edward Snowden wants to come back to US...."
"Edward Snowden is ready to comeback to US..."

^^ https://www.google.co.in/search?q=edward+snowden+want+to+come+back+to+us

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That's why I asked whether he will go back. He obviously want to come back as it is his home country.

Snowden will come back only if there is an attitude change in the USA resulting in a change in the political party in power being more concerned about individual rights, particularly privacy.

Right now the Democrats and Republicans are both split on the issue of privacy and rights versus big government survelliance.  Given that situation what should happen is Snowden is pardoned by a US President - this would shield him from any future prosecution.

However Obama is not going to do that, he is a big government fascist - he'll pardon on his last day of office all the criminals that worked with him.

The vast majority of the American people do not understand Snowden or the issues at stake and driving his actions. 

[criptix]

"Edward Snowden wants to come back to US...."
"Edward Snowden is ready to comeback to US..."

^^ https://www.google.co.in/search?q=edward+snowden+want+to+come+back+to+us

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That's why I asked whether he will go back. He obviously want to come back as it is his home country.

Snowden will come back only if there is an attitude change in the USA resulting in a change in the political party in power being more concerned about individual rights, particularly privacy.

Right now the Democrats and Republicans are both split on the issue of privacy and rights versus big government survelliance.  Given that situation what should happen is Snowden is pardoned by a US President - this would shield him from any future prosecution.

However Obama is not going to do that, he is a big government fascist - he'll pardon on his last day of office all the criminals that worked with him.

The vast majority of the American people do not understand Snowden or the issues at stake and driving his actions.  

that is what bush did, dont think obama can repeat some bullshit like that.

[Pingu]

However Obama is not going to do that, he is a big government fascist - he'll pardon on his last day of office all the criminals that worked with him.

they always do. Part of me was hoping he'd do the right thing and pardon him but like you said he wont because he's a coward. I have no idea how Snowden could ever be guaranteed a fair trial and how do they even make that promise? Clearly any trial set in the US wont be fair. Looks like he's never going to be able to set foot in the US ever again unless there's a seachange in policy but we know that's never going to happen.

[toddtervy]

However Obama is not going to do that, he is a big government fascist - he'll pardon on his last day of office all the criminals that worked with him.

they always do. Part of me was hoping he'd do the right thing and pardon him but like you said he wont because he's a coward. I have no idea how Snowden could ever be guaranteed a fair trial and how do they even make that promise? Clearly any trial set in the US wont be fair. Looks like he's never going to be able to set foot in the US ever again unless there's a seachange in policy but we know that's never going to happen.

The US is a clusterfuck.  Most of the shit they do is covered up,  and the stuff in the open people refuse to believe anyway("must be conspiracy").  Just replacing the government we're aware of wouldn't be enough since there's a too much other evil that would quickly take it's place.

[manselr]

I like some of his stuff but I hate to break it to Mr. Snowden.. a government which did not have "the ability to interfere with [our] rights" would not be a governmnet would it?   Sort of like daydreaming about water that would never drown anybody since it would not be wet.

[Totaldice]

https://i.imgur.com/ThTCpAX.png

[jaysabi]

Video isn't available in my country bullshit. How long is the interview with Snowden? I might just download the episode if it worthwhile seeing.

Will Snowden really come back to US? Isn't he afraid?

I doubt he will ever come back which is pretty sad. He was labeled a traitor by the government so coming back would not be in his best interest.

Being labeled a traitor is the least of his worries. It's being tried as one that he probably has no interest as he's almost certainly going to get found guilty and locked away for a very long time.

There is zero chance he gets a fair trial, and let's consider for a moment how fast democrats and republicans alike lined up to crucify him in the immediate aftermath. Snowden leaked documents for the overall good of the nation, to force the government to have the debate over this power it granted itself in the public sphere - which it most certainly was not going to do voluntarily, as it demonstrated itself by keeping it secret.

Compare the rhetoric against Snowden with the treatment of Petraeus, who got a sweetheart plea deal for leaking classified information - not for the good of the nation, but to impress his mistress and for his own glorification (she was writing his biography) - and realize that Snowden is an outsider and that's why the government will try to hang him, while Petraeus - an insider - gets off with a laughable slap on the wrist.

Disgusting.

Petraeus Plea Deal: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/03/david-petraeus-paula-broadwell/24312109/

[BuzzAldren]

He'd have to be nuts to set one foot on American soil or of any nation that would be willing to ship him back in exchange for some free moniez, errr, I mean in the interests of reciprocal diplomatic relations, which is the same thing in the end.

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never habe been more true

[tarzan2]

The TedTalk with Edward Snowden is a bit less funny but is definitely enlightening and worth a watch for anyone interested in the nsa and their <super helpful and awesome> tactics

http://www.ted.com/talks/edward_snowden_here_s_how_we_take_back_the_internet?language=en

Its also cool because he appears at the talk as a robot avatar.. you know cause he would probably get into an "accident" or tossed in prison if he leaves Russia-that place where liberty is not valued, unlike America :p