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[LiQio]

[...] because that is industry standard one man verification

Don't agree but still interesting, what industry are you talking about? Also never stumbled upon the term "one man verification", could you hook me up with a definition please? Thanks.

Hey M3ndi3, Tippy was good...   but I prefered "Scammy the squirrel". They should use that.

Agree, "Scammy" would be more transparent  

More people waking up

Good.

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[Nogroup]

[...] because that is industry standard one man verification

Don't agree but still interesting, what industry are you talking about? Also never stumbled upon the term "one man verification", could you hook me up with a definition please? Thanks.

IT industry dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof-of-work_system check at chalenge respnose here a other link useful for u https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
its not unusual when sprouting money u are not just use to that

https://github.com/NeuCoin/neucoin/releases aparently they embeded the last version of upnp to avoid the security issu mentioned in the top bar of btctalk

[LiQio]

@Nogroup Thanks, but I'm not sure if I'm really following you. Maybe it's a language thing. I'll drop it.

Another good quote taken from the post by alexhiggins732:
http://forum.neucoin.org/t/is-facebook-account-required-to-claim-coins/386/51
I mean come on... is this going to be a legitimate coin? Or does "freemium" mean a sleazy gimmick spam coin for corporations to "hide" behind while they scam people using bogus marketing practices like the aforementioned? Everything about this smells more and more like that latter every day. For example, I can't even verify my phone number. I already linked my facebook account input my cell phone click verify and 81 milliseconds later get a response invalid phone number. I am told they are gathering data points and verifying with the SMS gateway but I call bullsh*t.

Read on and see how alex proves that there is most likely no call to an automated SMS service.

Alex I hope you'll be evacuating yourself asap. Aaaaaaaaaaand congratulations neucon, you really excel at tech lies.

(Remark: Post hasn't been censored until now, probably they know that this would push him over the edge)

[culuuton]

Who can help me an email that made survey? I want to receive some NEUs.

[Pab]

Confirm account by SMS not work. Unable send message.

Same here 

Cannot verify my wallet either due to "Unable to send text message."  The NoCoin Team can keep my shit coins anyway. Since day one it has been a waste of time. Adios!

Same here man,all personal info,fb profile and phone number,and nothing

You will be getting a call from Dan Kaufman since he has your number.

He will say "Neucoin didn't work, but wait till you hear about our next coin...its gonna be amazing...just send me 2 BTC."

Yes sure i am waiting,point is that they were advertising that coin to newbies likea new bitcoin before presale,thay were promising that thay  will have technology for music industry etc,all lies

[rizzlarolla]

Big bad M3ndi3 now BANNED from nokoin forum. 

"This user is suspended until October 22, 2016 10:37am.
Reason: Spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) and subtracting value from the NeuCoin Project. Both here on the NeuCoin forum and on other social media."

Er, most people would say truth and concern, not FUD.
Suspended for spreading truth and concern.

Yes OK, the truth does tend to subtract value from nokoin, cant argue there.

[LiQio]

The Neucon regime had to buy heavy amounts (more than 430,000 on bittrex only) during the last hours.
Without their buy support, the price would be zero (or very near zero).

[tempus]

The Neucon regime had to buy heavy amounts (more than 430,000 on bittrex only) during the last hours.
Without their buy support, the price would be zero (or very near zero).

In the end they'll hold 99.99999% of the total supply, and 99.999% of the market-supply. ;-)

[scam confirmed]

- 12 PoW blocks in a row

- not even one PoS block in the past 95 minutes (last PoS block was 48448)






Something is wrong here. What's wrong?

[m3ndi3]

Big bad M3ndi3 now BANNED from nokoin forum.  

"This user is suspended until October 22, 2016 10:37am.
Reason: Spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) and subtracting value from the NeuCoin Project. Both here on the NeuCoin forum and on other social media."

Er, most people would say truth and concern, not FUD.
Suspended for spreading truth and concern.

Yes OK, the truth does tend to subtract value from nokoin, cant argue there.

Lol was I really banned? My last posts were to warn people not to send their personal info through email or PM and to wait til they have a solution. My very last post and probably why I was banned was because I asked the oh so positive superman if he could let me know his neucoin address so I could tip him my neucoin. That sounds so ban worthy huh :p well when you are doing something nefarious and are desperately trying to hide the truth, fear will lash out at anyone. That just confirms to me, and I would say sufficient evidence that they knew I was onto something and wanted me to get the hell out of their forum ^_^ I feel special... But where is superman's neucoin address? He's so positive about Neucoin you would think he would want everyone to tip him some right?? I just wanted to tip him the rest of my neucoin for his overwhelming positive presence... what was so wrong about that?

Here's a screenshot of the FUD and lies I spread... I'm such a terrible person omgoodness!



Oh and Newbie is still not banned even though he made a complaining club?? Haha that's funny

Please visit my profile before they delete it: http://forum.neucoin.org/users/m3ndi3/activity

Was I banworthy Neucoin?
-if you are what you say you are, neucoin, and there is nothing you have to hide, then no I am not banworthy, if you look at my history, I am just asking questions and in a non threatening way, I pleaded with the community not to send their personal info because their email might be compromised or your forum might be hacked in the future.

-But if you are what everyone suspects on this forum, then yes, I was most certainly ban worthy. You fear me because I speak the truth and people will listen to what I have to say. So yes, if the truth spreads fear, uncertainty, and doubt to your plans, then I definitely deserved the ban:)

[scam confirmed]

[Nogroup]

Something is wrong here. What's wrong?

probaby related to the release u mentioned

[LiQio]

Something is wrong here. What's wrong?

probaby related to the release u mentioned

Has Neucon secretly switched to PoW only?
Or was the centralized server unplugged?

[scam confirmed]

Something is wrong here. What's wrong?

probaby related to the release u mentioned

Has Neucon secretly switched to PoW only?
Or was the centralized server unplugged?

And it goes on...

Two hours and just ten blocks of which nine are PoW blocks  





Interesting observation on NoKoin forum here: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057/2

Edit: In case it gets deleted here: http://web.archive.org/web/20151023234639/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057

[tempus]

(....)
Interesting observation on NoKoin forum here: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057/2

Edit: In case it gets deleted here: http://web.archive.org/web/20151023234639/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057

That's indeed an interesting thread. Opened 5 hours ago and no one of the team showed up.
If they're manipulating the blockchain they're done.

Any alternative speculations or explanations? It doesn't look just like a bug.


Edit: http://web.archive.org/web/20151024035652/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chain/2057

[alexhiggins732]

I would really like to know...

Look at the latest example:

With the latest example, 5 minutes and 8 blocks later along with a confirmed 1 transaction sent from the pool, the mined block is just replaced out of nowhere with a PoS stake after receiving a reconnect command.

Mind you, all successive blocks and the transaction I sent that was confirmed remained on the block chain, just the mined block was replaced with an PoS stake (once again with a foundation account... which to be fair those accounts have the most funds so are most likely to stake) http://explorer.neucoin.org/transaction/f973af234f53e2070bb9461d6311fdb604c746f037c8316d8257d77dd143af99/

That's 5 minutes and 8 blocks and one confirmed transaction communicating with the public network, sending and receiving blocks, confirming them and pooling transactions in the memory pool.

    2015-10-24 02:26:42 UTC ThreadRPCServer method=submitblock
    2015-10-24 02:26:42 UTC Hash: 000000000015a917259d88bfcad0154c60c6d0680bcc3da6178bcbeb29a5d9d2**
    Target: 00000000002e4183000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:29:52 UTC CommitTransaction:
    CTransaction(hash=a42c549fb1, nTime=1445653785, ver=1, vin.size=2, vout.size=2, nLockTime=0)
    CTxIn(COutPoint(44c223dbc8, 0), scriptSig=3045022100fcb5d7a4bca942)
    CTxIn(COutPoint(d7ab089b38, 0), scriptSig=304402201613ff220b404238)
    CTxOut(nValue=36.7572, scriptPubKey=OP_DUP OP_HASH160 c1c1f1706bc6f09d18e46cb6976733964fd4a532 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG)
    CTxOut(nValue=168.052, scriptPubKey=OP_DUP OP_HASH160 8563eecbb8bb644a810f209b060b2da41be593a1 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG)
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:26:42 UTC new block found
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:26:42 UTC SetBestChain: new best=000000000015a917259d height=49112
    ..
    ...
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC askfor block 35748e438f88ae835493 0
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC sending getdata: block 35748e438f88ae835493
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC received block 35748e438f88ae835493
    2015-10-24 02:30:22 UTC SetBestChain: new best=ff0e5209ef7b0dc56894

    ...
    2015-10-24 02:29:33 UTC sending getdata: block 5416c21d6fe5bda57217
    2015-10-24 02:29:33 UTC askfor block 5416c21d6fe5bda57217 1445653773000000
    2015-10-24 02:29:33 UTC received block 5416c21d6fe5bda57217
    2015-10-24> 02:29:34 UTC SetBestChain: new best=5416c21d6fe5bda57217 height=49113

    ...
    2015-10-24 02:29:52 UTC CommitTransaction:
    CTransaction(hash=a42c549fb1, nTime=1445653785, ver=1, vin.size=2, vout.size=2, nLockTime=0)
    CTxIn(COutPoint(44c223dbc8, 0), scriptSig=3045022100fcb5d7a4bca942)
    CTxIn(COutPoint(d7ab089b38, 0), scriptSig=304402201613ff220b404238)
    CTxOut(nValue=36.7572, scriptPubKey=OP_DUP OP_HASH160 c1c1f1706bc6f09d18e46cb6976733964fd4a532 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG)
    CTxOut(nValue=168.052, scriptPubKey=OP_DUP OP_HASH160 8563eecbb8bb644a810f209b060b2da41be593a1 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG)
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:30:21 UTC sending getdata: block ff0e5209ef7b0dc56894
    2015-10-24 02:30:21 UTC askfor block ff0e5209ef7b0dc56894 1445653821000000
    2015-10-24 02:30:21 UTC received block ff0e5209ef7b0dc56894
    2015-10-24 02:30:22 UTC SetBestChain : new best=ff0e5209ef7b0dc56894 height=49114
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC askfor block 35748e438f88ae835493 0
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC sending getdata: block 35748e438f88ae835493
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC received block 35748e438f88ae835493
    2015-10-24 02:30:27 UTC SetBestChain: new best=35748e438f88ae835493 height=49115
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:30:57 UTC askfor block 3c7b9f6794111839cf94 1445653857000000
    2015-10-24 02:30:57 UTC received block 3c7b9f6794111839cf94
    2015-10-24 02:30:58 UTC SetBestChain* new best=3c7b9f6794111839cf94 height=49116
    ..
    2015-10-24 02:31:01 UTC askfor block 000000000022dd508ea6 1445653861000000
    2015-10-24 02:31:01 UTC received block 000000000022dd508ea6
    2015-10-24 02:31:02 UTC SetBestChain: new best=000000000022dd508ea6 height=49117
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:31:08 UTC askfor block 000000000013d4d73f00 0
    2015-10-24 02:31:08 UTC sending getdata: block 000000000013d4d73f00
    2015-10-24 02:31:09 UTC received block 000000000013d4d73f00
    2015-10-24 02:31:09 UTC SetBestChain: new best=000000000013d4d73f00 height=49118
    ...
    ...
    2015-10-24 02:31:17 UTC REORGANIZE: Disconnect 1 blocks; 000000000022dd508ea6..000000000013d4d73f00
    2015-10-24 02:31:17 UTC REORGANIZE: Connect 1 blocks; 000000000022dd508ea6..fa2e1b56822c4c518aba

[alexhiggins732]

(....)
Interesting observation on NoKoin forum here: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057/2

Edit: In case it gets deleted here: http://web.archive.org/web/20151023234639/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057

That's indeed an interesting thread. Opened 5 hours ago and no one of the team showed up.
If they're manipulating the blockchain they're done.

Any alternative speculations or explanations? It doesn't look just like a bug.


Edit: http://web.archive.org/web/20151024035652/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chain/2057

I don't believe they are intentionally manipulating the block chain. Here's my theory...

They are marketing this as a decentralized currency when it is in fact a federalized currency controlled by a few master nodes that no one is ever supposed to find out about.

However, the foundation address are being held in a wallet that is not directly connected to the internet (arguably for security reasons) which also happen to be the master nodes in federalized system.

As these nodes stake, on their private internal network, their communications are relay (probably through some slow ass java/php appliance) through an internal network proxy which first captures the transactions and analyzes them to show their shareholders how much money they have made. That database which is storing the transactions is performing slowly and instead of the relay happening milliseconds or seconds later it is taking dozens of seconds or minutes (and in the case of today's almost 4 hours worth of disappear blocks even longer) for the proxy to receive, analyze and relay the transaction to the public nodes.

For some reason the client's are accepting these transactions, even when received hours later, as the authoritative version of the block chain even though the block chain with the most blocks is supposed to be the true version. Several examples I have posted showed it occurring in less than an hour, with the exception of the nearly 4 hour long erasure of the block chain.

It does not make sense for a block to be received hours later and be chosen to replace an entire sequence of blocks and transactions.

In some cases, but the late arriving time-stamps are earlier than mined blocks, but even those should not be accepted on a decentralized block chain because the said late arriving block with the supposed earlier time-stamp because that time it could have been maliciously manipulated. For example, I could go back 20 blocks set a static time stamp and brute force it until I find a suitable hash and broadcast it an essentially rewrite the block chain.

However, I have also pointed out instances where the mined block that was orphaned was replaced by a block with a time stamp that was two minutes older with the same exact transaction and credited to another miner.. (which could be an internal foundation miner because I only know of one pubic mining pool).

It would be nice to hear from some non-biased knowledge people on what is happening hear.

Again, my suspicion is the foundation wallets are mining on a network that is segregated from the internet and there is a delay in the relay of their transactions and those nodes have been configured somehow be authoritative nodes in deciding consensus.

[alexhiggins732]

And, for the record, a mod has contacted me via IRC and asked for my debug logs to troubleshoot the issue while suggesting that perhaps I was somehow "seperated" from the network and being the only mining pool would make me vulnerable to such disconnection.

I kindly replied, that I was on the internet the entire time, as was the daemon running neucoin.io's block explorer and even the daemon that is feed the official block explorer, all of which report the same block chain with the same PoW awards for hours before forwarding the logs.

While not part of that response, truth is during the entire time that as everyone else was connected to the "network" known as the internet that all other wallets connect to, the foundation's wallets failed to mine, which are the only wallets with enough funds to mine with any frequency. After hours of not mining, with the pool getting 100k+ in mining rewards, the block chain just ends up entirely being replaced with the foundations wallets earning the interest they would have if their wasn't an outage in their internal network.

[tempus]

(....)
Interesting observation on NoKoin forum here: http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057/2

Edit: In case it gets deleted here: http://web.archive.org/web/20151023234639/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chai/2057

That's indeed an interesting thread. Opened 5 hours ago and no one of the team showed up.
If they're manipulating the blockchain they're done.

Any alternative speculations or explanations? It doesn't look just like a bug.


Edit: http://web.archive.org/web/20151024035652/http://forum.neucoin.org/t/3-5-hours-of-transactions-removed-from-the-block-chain/2057

I don't believe they are intentionally manipulating the block chain. Here's my theory...

They are marketing this as a decentralized currency when it is in fact a federalized currency controlled by a few master nodes that no one is ever supposed to find out about.

However, the foundation address are being held in a wallet that is not directly connected to the internet (arguably for security reasons) which also happen to be the master nodes in federalized system.

As these nodes stake, on their private internal network, their communications are relay (probably through some slow ass java/php appliance) through an internal network proxy which first captures the transactions and analyzes them to show their shareholders how much money they have made. That database which is storing the transactions is performing slowly and instead of the relay happening milliseconds or seconds later it is taking dozens of seconds or minutes (and in the case of today's almost 4 hours worth of disappear blocks even longer) for the proxy to receive, analyze and relay the transaction to the public nodes.

For some reason the client's are accepting these transactions, even when received hours later, as the authoritative version of the block chain even though the block chain with the most blocks is supposed to be the true version. Several examples I have posted showed it occurring in less than an hour, with the exception of the nearly 4 hour long erasure of the block chain.

It does not make sense for a block to be received hours later and be chosen to replace an entire sequence of blocks and transactions.

In some cases, but the late arriving time-stamps are earlier than mined blocks, but even those should not be accepted on a decentralized block chain because the said late arriving block with the supposed earlier time-stamp because that time it could have been maliciously manipulated. For example, I could go back 20 blocks set a static time stamp and brute force it until I find a suitable hash and broadcast it an essentially rewrite the block chain.

However, I have also pointed out instances where the mined block that was orphaned was replaced by a block with a time stamp that was two minutes older with the same exact transaction and credited to another miner.. (which could be an internal foundation miner because I only know of one pubic mining pool).

It would be nice to hear from some non-biased knowledge people on what is happening hear.

Again, my suspicion is the foundation wallets are mining on a network that is segregated from the internet and there is a delay in the relay of their transactions and those nodes have been configured somehow be authoritative nodes in deciding consensus.

My knowledge is too limited to evaluate the situation but I believe your theory could be right. Active and intentionally manipulation of the chain would be naive... I mean they would know that it would come out.

But, they must have changed something, right? I mean, it's the first time this issue appears... Or do you have a theory why it suddenly could appear without any changes?

But either way, they should have recognized it and they should give some answers about it in your thread.

[tempus]

And, for the record, a mod has contacted me via IRC and asked for my debug logs to troubleshoot the issue while suggesting that perhaps I was somehow "seperated" from the network and being the only mining pool would make me vulnerable to such disconnection.

I kindly replied, that I was on the internet the entire time, as was the daemon running neucoin.io's block explorer and even the daemon that is feed the official block explorer, all of which report the same block chain with the same PoW awards for hours before forwarding the logs.

While not part of that response, truth is during the entire time that as everyone else was connected to the "network" known as the internet that all other wallets connect to, the foundation's wallets failed to mine, which are the only wallets with enough funds to mine with any frequency. After hours of not mining, with the pool getting 100k+ in mining rewards, the block chain just ends up entirely being replaced with the foundations wallets earning the interest they would have if their wasn't an outage in their internal network.

Hmmm.... Maybe it was some kind of unintentional(?) 51%-attack. ;-)