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February 13, 2015, 10:35:35 PM
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I call them Kiev-Nazis, because that's who came to power in Kiev through a violent coup d'etat. It's a case of calling a spade for a spade.

Ethnic cleansing... How else would you like me to call killing off of the population of Donbass that is based on the language and nationality attribution? The case that a term is loaded does not deprive it of its describing accuracy. But if you prefer: "premeditated killing of Russian population of Dobass".

13 humanitarian aid convoys are well-documented. The rest of the supposed "Russian actions" are pure speculation, devoid of any evidence. Should such evidence exist even remotely, it would be on the front pages of all the Western papers...

I call for Western propaganda only the baseless, factless accusations coming from Western MSM, who parrot the lies, coming from Kiev and don't bother sending their own reporters to Donbass to see what is going on there for themselves. There are Western reporters who don't toe the line, but they are not given air time in MSM. Wonder why...
Believe me (or don't - it's your choice), I lived in the Soviet Union and was on the receiving end of propaganda. I know how it looks and smells like, and just like many other clear-thinking Soviet people, learnt how to look past it, to filter it out. It's sad to see the same tricks being adopted by the free West.

Now, why don't you come up with your own counter-arguments and facts, refuting my points, instead of just saying that it's "propaganda, move along".

EDIT: If you really want a bit of propaganda, let me try writing the following example:

"Obama, Kerry and Stoltenberg are die-hard commies, supporting the tyranny of the Soviet Union legacy. How else can you explain them fighting tooth and claw for the territorial legacy of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917 (the first "colour" revolution - red), where Lenin took out chunks of Russia - Malorossia and Novorossia - and turned them into Ukraine, while Stalin took other bits of Russia - South Ossetia and Abhasia - and gave them to his own Georgia. Both acts in violation of all feasible laws."

Well, how about it? Only the first part of the above turned out to sound like propaganda, while I slipped back into truth in the second part. Sorry. Writing real propaganda is hard.

You haven't stated many things that will pass as facts. Facts are objective. "Kiev-nazis" is not objective. "Ethnic cleansing" is not objective, it's a propaganda phrase both sides use in every almost every conflict to rally outrage. Your posts are heavily subjective (asserting as facts things that aren't), and pointing that out is enough to discredit them.

If you cared to read my replies, you'd have noticed the following objective references:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.es/2015/02/ukraine-we-target-civilians-separatists.html

Also, I proposed to use instead of "ethnic cleansing", a more specific and objective " systematic killing of population of the Eastern Ukraine, which is predominantly ethnic Russian".

And one of the more know statements to that end. The translation of the quote goes: "Most of the population of the south east must be simply killed. They are not needed.":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eZfieMGDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVXkfgjPcs

I already asked you to show me which of my statements were not grounded in facts. You failed to do so, so we are going in circles...

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February 19, 2015, 08:57:14 AM
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Also, I proposed to use instead of "ethnic cleansing", a more specific and objective " systematic killing of population of the Eastern Ukraine, which is predominantly ethnic Russian".

And one of the more know statements to that end. The translation of the quote goes: "Most of the population of the south east must be simply killed. They are not needed.":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eZfieMGDo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiVXkfgjPcs

I already asked you to show me which of my statements were not grounded in facts. You failed to do so, so we are going in circles...

so in short the European parliament under the domination of the amerikis supported that. great... mmmoooarrr blloodddd! So they will have to be extradited to Russia, because as we all know the icc only prosecutes those that don't bring the girls as previously contracted. It will get fun, as they don't speak Russian... however expect the classical lines of Nuremberg, I didn't know, I only followed orders, I am a nice guy look at my smile, I have family etc etc... wipe out.

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