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June 12, 2015, 10:50:49 PM
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Are all the SPV wallets for main net coins apart from the Bitcoin test net SPV wallet?

This is a great project and I hope the Bitcoin devs implement the changes needed.

Half the community has been clamoring for a distributed exchange for years.
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June 13, 2015, 12:44:11 PM
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Another interesting take on the peer to peer exchange model:

http://veritaseum.com/
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June 23, 2015, 10:39:14 AM
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Wow really nice project some ETA for beta release?
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June 24, 2015, 12:10:53 PM
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If there is BTC/Fiat, it will be better, I will try it after it launches.

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June 24, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
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If there is BTC/Fiat, it will be better, I will try it after it launches.

now how would u do decentralized crypto -> fiat?

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June 24, 2015, 06:31:57 PM
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If there is BTC/Fiat, it will be better, I will try it after it launches.

now how would u do decentralized crypto -> fiat?

That would be possible with assets issued on the blockchain by a gateway service, for example if a bank takes USD deposits and sends you USD colored coins in return. You can then trade those USD coins just as you would any other coin on the blockchain, safely and transparently.

Of course, this means trusting the service to honor the colored coins and not to default if you want to redeem them for "real" USD. However, this is still much safer than other centralized financial institutions since the accounting is all done publicly on the blockchain, and everyone can tell if the service is ripping you off or not. And there could be a diversity of gateway providers to use, for instance commercial banks or even the Federal Reserve.

There is no way to get away from some amount of centralized trust when using fiat, we can't magically turn it into a cryptocurrency. However, USD-backed assets on the blockchain is the closest we can get.
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June 26, 2015, 07:03:28 AM
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Am I the only one who can't get the .jar file to work in Linux (Linux Mint)?

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June 26, 2015, 06:07:27 PM
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Am I the only one who can't get the .jar file to work in Linux (Linux Mint)?
Same here.

Code:
$ java -jar MercuryWallet-0.0.2.jar
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javafx/application/Application
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:800)
at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:449)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:71)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:361)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:355)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:354)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:308)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358)
at sun.launcher.LauncherHelper.checkAndLoadMain(LauncherHelper.java:482)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: javafx.application.Application
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:366)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:355)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:354)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:308)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358)
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June 29, 2015, 07:50:14 AM
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The heading of your thread is quite repelling FULLY TRUSTLESS, how can I now test this with my coins since you have concluded that is fully trusted , I should not be surprised if my btc, ltc and doge just disappear after I make the deposit Huh Huh Huh.

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June 29, 2015, 12:57:21 PM
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So, why not add BTC Testnet? I'm sure they will give you all the help you need without having to risk actually coins.

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June 29, 2015, 09:02:06 PM
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Mappum I noticed you were forced to add a third-party signing key to your contract scheme because of TX malleability (which introduces liability / security risk.) This is actually a problem we've been working on solving using a timechain - a new data-structure based on time-lock encryption. By using a timechain you could time-lock a chain of ECDSA private keys that could be released automatically to allow your customers to be able to claim refunds if a contract isn't completed after a certain time-frame. The advantage of this scheme is that nobody would have to be trusted to hold private keys or release them which means that Mercury could come out of alpha and be used with real money right now.

Of course - as the saying goes: now you have two problems. There is currently no viable implementation of the timechain and to build one you would need access to a small GPU cluster. But I think if someone was serious about security and doing this: it would allow you to avoid the TX malleability problem entirely and release a viable product that couldn't be hacked at all - which is huge.

We've been experimenting with doing something like this ourselves but a prototype that can be used with real money is still a long way off. I thought I'd at least give you a heads up with this since it can benefit you more than us at this point.

Link to the paper: http://roberts.pm/timechain
tl; dr, you can improve security for a range of purposes by stitching together a time-lock encrypted chain of RSA keys with AES whose decryption is incentivised with fees from cryptocurrencies and rewards from its own blockchain.
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Mappum I noticed you were forced to add a third-party signing key to your contract scheme because of TX malleability (which introduces liability / security risk.) This is actually a problem we've been working on solving using a timechain - a new data-structure based on time-lock encryption. By using a timechain you could time-lock a chain of ECDSA private keys that could be released automatically to allow your customers to be able to claim refunds if a contract isn't completed after a certain time-frame. The advantage of this scheme is that nobody would have to be trusted to hold private keys or release them which means that Mercury could come out of alpha and be used with real money right now.

Of course - as the saying goes: now you have two problems. There is currently no viable implementation of the timechain and to build one you would need access to a small GPU cluster. But I think if someone was serious about security and doing this: it would allow you to avoid the TX malleability problem entirely and release a viable product that couldn't be hacked at all - which is huge.

We've been experimenting with doing something like this ourselves but a prototype that can be used with real money is still a long way off. I thought I'd at least give you a heads up with this since it can benefit you more than us at this point.

Link to the paper: http://roberts.pm/timechain
tl; dr, you can improve security for a range of purposes by stitching together a time-lock encrypted chain of RSA keys with AES whose decryption is incentivised with fees from cryptocurrencies and rewards from its own blockchain.

uh, this is cryptocurrency world. Everyone has a small GPU cluster (well, old school miners)

or these guys

http://www.nimbix.net/


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July 08, 2015, 08:11:47 PM
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Another interesting take on the peer to peer exchange model:

http://veritaseum.com/

Thanks looks great for me,i hope my dev will like that also,if yes i will let you know


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July 08, 2015, 09:21:35 PM
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Is the project is closed? Does anyone interesting concept?I enjoyed customers and noticed one significant problem - the high commission for the transaction. On centralized exchange is much cheaper.

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I enjoyed customers and noticed one significant problem - the high commission for the transaction. On centralized exchange is much cheaper.

Decentralized exchanges like Mercury and B&C Exchange could be more expensive on a per-transaction basis (or at least initially), but it is balanced out by the significantly reduced risk of theft. The cheapness of transactions at Mt. Gox would have made their platform attractive, but less so when you consider that many users eventually suffered total losses of their funds.

We predict that decentralized exchanges will have an immediate user base for high-value trades, and that lesser-value trades will gain in popularity as the technology develops and scales.
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I enjoyed customers and noticed one significant problem - the high commission for the transaction. On centralized exchange is much cheaper.

Decentralized exchanges like Mercury and B&C Exchange could be more expensive on a per-transaction basis (or at least initially), but it is balanced out by the significantly reduced risk of theft. The cheapness of transactions at Mt. Gox would have made their platform attractive, but less so when you consider that many users eventually suffered total losses of their funds.

We predict that decentralized exchanges will have an immediate user base for high-value trades, and that lesser-value trades will gain in popularity as the technology develops and scales.

The price of transactions for the majority of regular traders is the most important value.

If you do not have the mass of traders, there is no liquidity and decentralized exchange will be very inefficient.

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Is there a new ANN for Hg?

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https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-MER
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someone has price estimate, I believe that 0.0002 would be the minimum to achieve. success

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