Original November 2008 version of the Bitcoin paper

[JorgeStolfi]

"Broadcasted" is correct if past tense.  We have become lazy (or fooled by the idiots on TV) to believe the following:

Weird...
As I said, english is not my native language.
This page http://www.englishpage.com/irregularverbs/irregularverbs.html states both forms (broadcast and broadcasted) as possible for the past tense. In contrast, the past tense of "cast" is clearly "cast" and not "casted". This seems pretty illogical considering that the word "broadcast" is based on "cast". Irregularities within the irregular verbs - english is a crazy language

Just note that the second verb in "are broadcast" is not past tense but past participle.  Compare "they wrote" with "they were written".

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I wrote to the Cryptography mailing list looking for the original paper recently : http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-January/024433.html

I want to be sure this is not a forgery.

Could you post Satoshi's entire email here?

[Mewtwo]

Grammar rules on strong verbs aren't as strict as they once were. Even native speakers today used "broadcasted".

Way back in the day, when people really cared about such things, misuse of strong verbs was a good way to get your ass kuck.

Ya. My teacher used to beat the shit out of me for the smallest reasons.



But then we became friends. But my teacher blinded my friend's right eye after she thrashed talk him.



So then my friend put poison in our teacher's favorite dish, fish head soup. He ded now.

I don't really see a point to this account.. but anyway, thanks for sharing.

Also, really interesting topic. didn't even know there was a white paper back in 2008 about btc.

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By the way, the "CreationDate" attribute of the PDF states 20081003134958-07 for the first version and 20090324113315-06 for the second version, so it looks like the timezones of the creating computer(s) were american. According to DST rules, both would fall into the daylight saving time date range, so this were either two separate computers set up for different timezones, or one computer that was switched from one timezone to another one.

I believe this is incorrect. DST started Nov 2 in 2008 : http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/2008.html

I agree it is a bit weird the hash is only mentioned on the web recently...

Edit:
So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

Edit: DST ended, not started.

[JorgeStolfi]

So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.

[The00Dustin]

So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.

That could be incredibly relevant.  It is certainly more relevant than a post suggesting DST started when it actually ended.  I don't know about the rest of the world, but Americans are so confused and/or wrong on DST that I could look like gargantuar does in his post about grammar earlier in this thread if I started ranting about it.  Note that I didn't indicate whether that is good or bad.

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So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.

Great point. Here is a map of DST around the world, blue is where it is used : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#mediaviewer/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png

And a map of timezones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png

So it doesn't look like DST is used in any country in the -6 or -7 TZ below the equator. (There are no countries south of the equator in -6 or -7.)

[HarmonLi]

I think the most probable explanation for the clarifications and amendments is that he asked someone to proof-read the paper and give him some pointers on things that may not be clear, use some more explanation or are worded poorly. This is how scientific and academic research and publishing works!

[JorgeStolfi]

So DST started Nov 2, 2008 but it's odd that the TZ moved in the wrong direction, if I am reading this right.

Original : /CreationDate(D:20081003134958-07'00')>>
2009 revision : /CreationDate(D:20090324113315-06'00')>>

03 Oct 2008 is -7
24 Mar 2009 is -6

I don't know whether it is relevant, but daylight savings changes in the Southern Hemisphere (early April and early October in Australia, for example) are opposite to those in the Northern Hemisphere.

Great point. Here is a map of DST around the world, blue is where it is used : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#mediaviewer/File:DaylightSaving-World-Subdivisions.png

And a map of timezones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/World_Time_Zones_Map.png

So it doesn't look like DST is used in any country in the -6 or -7 TZ below the equator. (There are no countries south of the equator in -6 or -7.)

Well, then he must have changed timezones between the two versions.  Most likely he was in the US, I would say.

EDIT: or he was logged into computers located in different timezones.

[jeffhuys]

Big piece of bitcoin (or even world) history right here. The funny thing is, it's a digital file. It will never deteriorate.
Gives me inspiration to make an online "Museum" of sorts. 

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Might anyone have Satoshi's pre-release draft?

He mentioned it in an email to Wai Dai.

From: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:38 PM
To: "Wei Dai" <weidai@ibiblio.org>
Cc: "Satoshi Nakamoto" <satoshi@anonymousspeech.com>
Subject: Citation of your b-money page

I was very interested to read your b-money page.  I'm getting ready to
release a paper that expands on your ideas into a complete working system.
Adam Back (hashcash.org) noticed the similarities and pointed me to your
site.

I need to find out the year of publication of your b-money page for the
citation in my paper.  It'll look like:
[1] W. Dai, "b-money," http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt, (2006?).

You can download a pre-release draft at
http://www.upload.ae/file/6157/ecash-pdf.html  Feel free to forward it to
anyone else you think would be interested.

Title: Electronic Cash Without a Trusted Third Party

Abstract: A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow
online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without the
burdens of going through a financial institution.  Digital signatures
offer part of the solution, but the main benefits are lost if a trusted
party is still required to prevent double-spending.  We propose a solution
to the double-spending problem using a peer-to-peer network.  The network
timestamps transactions by hashing them into an ongoing chain of
hash-based proof-of-work, forming a record that cannot be changed without
redoing the proof-of-work.  The longest chain not only serves as proof of
the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest
pool of CPU power.  As long as honest nodes control the most CPU power on
the network, they can generate the longest chain and outpace any
attackers.  The network itself requires minimal structure.  Messages are
broadcasted on a best effort basis, and nodes can leave and rejoin the
network at will, accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of
what happened while they were gone.

Satoshi